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Are you ok with donor’s names on buildings?
Yes, because they went to the university and said "hey i want to donate money directly to the school in return for my name on the building. The schools said "sure go ahead"

If the school had said "no" do you think it would've been fine for that donor to just go and build a building on campus on their own and slap their name on it? After all, that's the way they wanted to do it.
 
Isn’t most places the donors help fund named after them? Melo Center, John Lally athletics complex. So they all get recognition.
It’s funny people hate on AW for wanting his recognition as well. If he is willing to fund our NIL and only wants his name in the press that’s an easy trade off.

Think about a Fran and AW connection. We would be recruiting like Bama.
 
Isn’t most places the donors help fund named after them? Melo Center, John Lally athletics complex. So they all get recognition.
It’s funny people hate on AW for wanting his recognition as well. If he is willing to fund our NIL and only wants his name in the press that’s an easy trade off.

Think about a Fran and AW connection. We would be recruiting like Bama.
I am sure [donor] had every chance to donate directly to the school to get a building named after them. I am also fairly confident the folks running the collectives would've been receptive to discussing how to do press releases that would give [a donor] credit for their especially large NIL contributions.
 
One thing that is certainly worth note here is JB not spending nearly the amount of time around the program this year as compared to last year. Last year he was around every day. I know he wanted to hand it off more to Red this year but that hasn’t worked out. JB also had knee surgery too and has been gone but I think this is playing a major factor this year that he hasn’t been around a ton. Everytime I’ve been to Melo center this year he has not been there.
Didn’t he have one year left on his contract? Maybe his official role at the University was over.
 
Entertaining few pages of reading about Weitsman. Nobody should bemoan funding or oil money or Phil knight when Syracuse quite simply ran their program loving billionaire off the reservation.

Do people really not care because he 'used' Syracuse and is self serving? Syracuse would be using him right back for his money. This is mutually beneficial usage.

It's such a Syracuse thing though. I'm sure Syracuse didn't like the attention of things like Choppa cause it's always about optics for SU. The landscape has changed over the past two years though and nothing he was doing is against the rules. Certainly not now.
It's been said more than a few times here that SU got spooked when the NCAA literally had Weitsman on a PowerPoint slide as an example of what can't be done when it comes to booster stuff these days.

So they asked him to dial it back and he said no.

I don't care about his self promotion, or "using", or that stuff. He was asked to follow a few guidelines and he took his ball and went home.

Who knows if what he was going would have led to any negative consequences but that's not the point. Every other booster at SU adheres to the way they prefer things are done. Including those who have given FAR more money to NIL and facilities than he's ever come close to. But he couldn't bear that.

I'm sure SU would welcome his money back any time if he'd do the couple of things they ask of everyone else.

Basically, it's not always SU's fault, as much as folks here like to believe.
 
I’d be the same way. But, why does it matter if Adam likes to be seen and do things the way he wants. So long as it doesn’t cause issues with the NCAA?
Just take his money and let him wear a flashing red light at games so people know where he sitting!
 
If he is willing to fund our NIL and only wants his name in the press that’s an easy trade off.
I think that right there that's the rub. There's a few people who have indicated that that wasn't happening without strings attached and not much ever came to fruition.

Adam Weitsman has people monitoring his social media, I'm sure "Adam" will drop by the thread soon enough.

It's not like the team was killing it when he was sitting courtside with Luke Wheeler or Tom McBrady or whomever.
 
It's been said more than a few times here that SU got spooked when the NCAA literally had Weitsman on a PowerPoint slide as an example of what can't be done when it comes to booster stuff these days.

So they asked him to dial it back and he said no.

I don't care about his self promotion, or "using", or that stuff. He was asked to follow a few guidelines and he took his ball and went home.

Who knows if what he was going would have led to any negative consequences but that's not the point. Every other booster at SU adheres to the way they prefer things are done. Including those who have given FAR more money to NIL and facilities than he's ever come close to. But he couldn't bear that.

I'm sure SU would welcome his money back any time if he'd do the couple of things they ask of everyone else.

Basically, it's not always SU's fault, as much as folks here like to believe.

It’s a head scratcher that people don’t understand this. We have been on probation for major NCAA violations twice. A third time and the athletic department is done.

The NCAA made it known they didn’t like his approach to NIL. If they decide they want to come back around to start looking closer then that’s three strikes you’re out and we’re likely untouchable to any sort of future major conference realignment in the near future.

What reasonable fan of Syracuse athletics would think it’s worth the risk? And what genuine supporter wouldn’t appreciate the situation and try to ensure things were done to avoid that?
 
If I had 5m to donate yearly for NIL, I would want zero spotlight. All I want is good seats at the primo events and a winning team.

And most of our NIL donors are like this.
And chicks for free
 
It’s a head scratcher that people don’t understand this. We have been on probation for major NCAA violations twice. A third time and the athletic department is done.

The NCAA made it known they didn’t like his approach to NIL. If they decide they want to come back around to start looking closer then that’s three strikes you’re out and we’re likely untouchable to any sort of future major conference realignment in the near future.

What reasonable fan of Syracuse athletics would think it’s worth the risk? And what genuine supporter wouldn’t appreciate the situation and try to ensure things were done to avoid that?
He hired a lawyer to ensure no rules were being broken and cleared everything with the university’s compliance department.
 
It's been said more than a few times here that SU got spooked when the NCAA literally had Weitsman on a PowerPoint slide as an example of what can't be done when it comes to booster stuff these days.

So they asked him to dial it back and he said no.

I don't care about his self promotion, or "using", or that stuff. He was asked to follow a few guidelines and he took his ball and went home.

Who knows if what he was going would have led to any negative consequences but that's not the point. Every other booster at SU adheres to the way they prefer things are done. Including those who have given FAR more money to NIL and facilities than he's ever come close to. But he couldn't bear that.

I'm sure SU would welcome his money back any time if he'd do the couple of things they ask of everyone else.

Basically, it's not always SU's fault, as much as folks here like to believe.
Maybe it was more than just having Weitsman on a PowerPoint slide. Or, maybe the administration thought it was. And as Horn88 posted later -- the worry was about strike 3.
 
It's been said more than a few times here that SU got spooked when the NCAA literally had Weitsman on a PowerPoint slide as an example of what can't be done when it comes to booster stuff these days.

So they asked him to dial it back and he said no.

I don't care about his self promotion, or "using", or that stuff. He was asked to follow a few guidelines and he took his ball and went home.

Who knows if what he was going would have led to any negative consequences but that's not the point. Every other booster at SU adheres to the way they prefer things are done. Including those who have given FAR more money to NIL and facilities than he's ever come close to. But he couldn't bear that.

I'm sure SU would welcome his money back any time if he'd do the couple of things they ask of everyone else.

Basically, it's not always SU's fault, as much as folks here like to believe.

The bolded part is incredibly significant; honestly it would have been negligence for Syracuse not to address the issue. It was absolutely, positively guaranteed Syracuse was going to be made an example of if AW wasn’t reigned in. The PowerPoint made that clear.

That he didn’t want to be reigned in and decided to take his money and go home is 1000% on him. Frankly we’re better off without him if he can’t grasp that pissing off the NCAA with his shenanigans wasn’t going to end well for the university he pretended he cared about but obviously didn’t.
 
He hired a lawyer to ensure no rules were being broken and cleared everything with the university’s compliance department.

Was that before or after he ended up on an NCAA PowerPoint slide?

Because I’m pretty sure that’s before. And that is incredibly significant.
 
Was that before or after he ended up on an NCAA PowerPoint slide?

Because I’m pretty sure that’s before. And that is incredibly significant.
He hired the lawyer as soon as he started NIL. He didn’t break any rules. People got spooked and threw away a big donor. No big deal, right?
 
He hired the lawyer as soon as he started NIL. He didn’t break any rules. People got spooked and threw away a big donor. No big deal, right?

So he hired a lawyer, started doing stuff, the. got put an an NCAA slide of what not to do - and refused to course correct. Because he wanted to rely on old, outdated information that he liked over the new information he didn’t like.

It was absolutely the right decision to tell him to do things differently. It’s not even remotely debatable, and we should be THRILLED he’s gone and not upset about it. It would have been a much, much bigger deal if we let him keep doing what he was doing - because that route was not going to end well for Syracuse University.
 
So he hired a lawyer, started doing stuff, the. got put an an NCAA slide of what not to do - and refused to course correct. Because he wanted to rely on old, outdated information that he liked over the new information he didn’t like.

It was absolutely the right decision to tell him to do things differently. It’s not even remotely debatable, and we should be THRILLED he’s gone and not upset about it. It would have been a much, much bigger deal if we let him keep doing what he was doing - because that route was not going to end well for Syracuse University.
He was never contacted by the NCAA
 
I've been at the same level for 40 years and I agree with you as long as the decision doesn't negatively affect the corporations access to capital and other essential resources. The decision to remain in house vs an outside hire wasn't some far fetched stretch. In fact hiring outside of the 50 years of success circle would have been much more of a stretch without any true upside in relationship to the absolute downside that was guaranteed to have happened.
All one has to do is to review every D1 hiring decision in both football and basketball over the last few years to prove that there is no foolproof way to go about it.
Inside hires and outside hires both have success and failure. Even hiring coaches with incredible previous success, especially when you are following a HOF coach has failures. Just ask Alabama.
So your premise is flawed. Simply put there is nothing that says that an outside hire would be doing well.
JW was boxed by a combination of factors that made his decision to hire Red an extremely good business decision. Unfortunately it doesn't look like it is going to work out. He still made the right decision at the time given all of the factors involved.

I wanted to step away after Saturday's game / the frustrating posts afterwards, but I need to respond to this post. And not because you and I disagreed about the approach that should have been undertaken in 2023, but because I fundamentally disagree with what you assert above.

My premise isn't flawed -- at all. "There's no guarantee" -- so what? Nothing is life is certain. That doesn't mean that any potential risk should be shunned.

Someone posted a summary analysis on here toward the end of JB's tenure. I'm going to generalize, but the gist of it was that when it comes to replacing high profile / iconic coaches, about 70% of the replacement hires who followed them ended up being failures. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 7 out of 10 of them flopped.

Want to know the best way to be in the 30% that DON'T fail? Do legitimate due diligence. Try to hire the best candidate, using actual performance-based / merit-driven criteria. Don't constrain the candidate pool to a limited number of unproven candidates in-house, that have no coaching experience, and who'd garnered no interest collectively from other schools / programs. Because when you force yourself into choosing between a small number of LOUSY candidates -- and lets face it, that's what Red / GMac were at the time, for a program of our statue [and I'll lump a Hop in here, as well, who was about to be fired by UW] -- then you are virtually guaranteeing that you will be in the 70% that fails.

And given the precarious position our program was in, coming off of a losing season, barely .500 the following year, with recruiting in the crapper and having missed the NCAA tournament [then, in 2023] something like 3 out of 5 seasons, we couldn't afford to take further steps backwards.

That's why hiring Red was NOT "...an extremely good business decision," as you assert. It was a cop out, that was actually a far riskier move than hiring a proven coach. You always talk about what has to be done to avoid negative outcomes. We couldn't replace JB even though his performance had slipped to unacceptable levels over an extended period of time, because it was disrespectful to his legacy. Then it was we couldn't look outside, because boosters are too loyal to JB. Now we can't fire Red, because we'll alienate Carmelo. When does it end? Does anybody really believe that the AD is handcuffed to such a great extent like this?

John Wildhack is the AD. He gets paid an exorbitant amount of money to run a complicated organization. I don't dispute in any way, shape, or form that there would have been a segment of boosters, former players, and fans who would have been upset if we hired from outside.

But guess what? When a program is successful, people continue to root for the program, and the bad feelings quickly go away.

Managing to accommodate dysfunction -- which is how JW handled JB his last several years -- is not a "good business decision."

Trying to make everybody happy and avoid any "pain" of any kind isn't a viable strategy -- because you can NEVER please everybody. Sometimes you have to take a small step backwards to position things better long term. Bringing in a new coach who wasn't completely unqualified would have accomplished that.

Instead, we have a guy who is a lousy in-game coach, who's an overrated recruiter, who has the wheels falling off in less than a season and a half. We hear reports about the program's finances being in shambles, and that boosters are unhappy.

We know that fans are also now disgruntled, and that revenue will go down in direct proportion to immensely sagging attendance.

And we have disgruntled, prominent players like Derrick Coleman taking to social media to express his dissatisfaction.

We're one of the worst teams in P4, and have lost to several of the lowest projected teams in what shapes up as a lousy year for the ACC.

So what exactly did we "avoid" by choosing the path of least resistance? All of the things you brought up have come to pass, despite hiring from within -- disengaged fanbase, sagging attendance, apathy, financial difficulties, disgruntled boosters / players. And now we're actually worse off than we were in 2023 when JB was forced into stepping down, which was a point that many thought was the program's nadir. Oops.

So don't try to imply that John Wildhack didn't have a choice, or was "forced" into a "good business decision" that has completely blown up in everyone's faces. ADJW made the hard choice, to force Boeheim to step down. THAT was the key. But then he blew it by actually NOT making a good business decision, and instead opting for the path of least resistance, in a failed attempt to avoid pain.

Problem is, that decision has led to more pain than what he was worried about avoiding.

I get that there were politics, and that JB was polarizing, and that he'd held the program / University hostage for a long time, and that the fanbase was split over how to proceed. But that's what an AD is for -- to be the adult in the room when the elderly former HC was acting childish / petty, and to make the difficult decisions when they need to be made.

ADJW took the massively important first step, but didn't take the equally as important second step. Making a "continuity hire" when the program is performing at it's worst level in five decades made zero sense. It certainly wasn't a "good business decision."
 
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He was never contacted by the NCAA

Did the NCAA have any obligation to contact him?

Because if this played out that Kent and JW told him to change his approach, he said he wouldn’t hear it unless he heard that directly from the NCAA and decided to pout when nobody from the NCAA would talk to him - that still doesn’t reflect well on him and we’re still better off without him.

You’re just 100% wrong here.
 
If AW cleared everything with SU Compliance, as he has said, then why was Syracuse scared?
 
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