Will Covid force Notre Dame to join ACC as a full member?

[Alsacs]

Temple has gotten pretty solid and has some decent attendance with thei AAC rivals. It wouldn't take much for that game to become a good rivalry game as the cities are already rivals in everything. Add the ACC advertising and people in Pa might find it quite compelling.

Temple has been a good G5 team.

ACC advertising just makes them another Syracuse or Pitt.
They go from playing 1-2 P5 teams a year to 8-9 P5 teams a year the schedules become harder.

Media markets are overrated unless you get the team that controls them.
Temple doesn’t control the Philadelphia media market. That is and will be always for football Penn State in Philly.

Temple hosts Penn State and Notre Dame and those opponents have more fans in the stands for those games.

Temple could be the 16th team chosen they don’t bring anything to the table that justifies their inclusion other than they are a warm body.

 

[Chip]

Texas just wants their Longhorn Network TV money and games within their region for their fanbase.

They don’t want to be an independent.
The current status quo works for them.

They get more money than the rest of their conference and get to play all their games within their region.

Notre Dame wants independence. Texas doesn’t.
Texas could easily do what Notre Dame does.
They are among the handful of schools that could.

Texas doesn’t want in the ACC.
They want the Big XII to remain how it is. The ACC is just a leverage move for Texas to keep their status quo.

A&M left the Big XII because they wanted out of Texas shadow.

Texas and A&M are going to start playing again right? Friday after Thanksgiving, 11 am eastern start. One of the many things I miss.

 

[CousCuse]

Temple has been a good G5 team.

ACC advertising just makes them another Syracuse or Pitt.
They go from playing 1-2 P5 teams a year to 8-9 P5 teams a year the schedules become harder.

Media markets are overrated unless you get the team that controls them.
Temple doesn’t control the Philadelphia media market. That is and will be always Penn State in Philly.

Temple hosts Penn State and Notre Dame and those opponents have more fans in the stands for those games.

Temple could be the 16th team chosen they don’t bring anything to the table that justifies their inclusion other than they are a warm body.

There are a lot of elite athletes in that region and it's much easier to recruit them if you play there on a regular basis.

 

[Bayside44]

Temple has been a good G5 team.

ACC advertising just makes them another Syracuse or Pitt.
They go from playing 1-2 P5 teams a year to 8-9 P5 teams a year the schedules become harder.

Media markets are overrated unless you get the team that controls them.
Temple doesn’t control the Philadelphia media market. That is and will be always for football Penn State in Philly.

Temple hosts Penn State and Notre Dame and those opponents have more fans in the stands for those games.

Temple could be the 16th team chosen they don’t bring anything to the table that justifies their inclusion other than they are a warm body.

I guess we are getting back to normal with dopey conference stuff. Temple will NEVER be in the ACC. It's just silly.

 

[Alsacs]

Texas everyone believes was close to accepting the Pac-10’s offer to become the PAC-16 with Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Colorado, Texas Tech to go West and form a division with the Arizona schools.

Then A&M told Texas to go screw and jumped to the SEC. That move shocked Texas and led to the Big XII almost blowing up.

Oklahoma tried to go to PAC-12 with Oklahoma State and were rejected without Texas.

Texas got to keep the insane Longhorn Network deal.
West Virginia and TCU replaced losing Nebraska, Texas A&M, Colorado, Missouri and Texas remained happy.

The Big XII is a timebomb till either Oklahoma finds a new home they like or Texas loses the Longhorn Network money from ESPN.

 

[Alsacs]

Texas and A&M are going to start playing again right? Friday after Thanksgiving, 11 am eastern start. One of the many things I miss.

Texas refuses to play A&M since they left. They even tell Bowls don’t pick us if you pick A&M or we won’t play in the bowl.

Texas is jelly A&M got out of their shadow and brought the SEC to Texas.

 

[Alsacs]

I guess we are getting back to normal with dopey conference stuff. Temple will NEVER be in the ACC. It's just silly.

Short of Notre Dame saying we want Temple as 16 you are correct.

 

[CousCuse]

I guess we are getting back to normal with dopey conference stuff. Temple will NEVER be in the ACC. It's just silly.

How often does SU play in the mid-atlantic anymore? That used to be prime recruiting territory.

 

[Bayside44]

Short of Notre Dame saying we want Temple as 16 you are correct.

Ha, literally. Texas would be pretty cool. But I don't really care anymore, we don't see half the league as is.

 

[Alsacs]

There are a lot of elite athletes in that region and it's much easier to recruit them if you play there on a regular basis.

Maryland has a lot of talent in its backyard just because you have talent doesn’t mean the talent will go there.

Plus the ACC schools are already close enough to Philly they can and already do recruit there. A game against Temple isn’t helping recruiting that much at all.

 

[Bayside44]

How often does SU play in the mid-atlantic anymore? That used to be prime recruiting territory.

That's not a computable reason on any level.

 

[CousCuse]

That's not a computable reason on any level.

You realize that if a team like Texas were to come into the league, the athletic department would make more money, but Syracuse would fall a notch in the league pecking order. Leagues look out for the teams that bring in the money.

 

[Alsacs]

You realize that if a team like Texas were to come into the league, the athletic department would make more money, but Syracuse would fall a notch in the league pecking order. Leagues look out for the teams that bring in the money.

Texas would actually bring revenue with them.
Temple would just be another mouth to feed and not much else.

You look don’t look at colleges like pieces on a chessboard. Some pieces are worth making sacrifices for and others are just pawns.
Temple is a pawn.
Texas is a king piece.

They aren’t even close. Texas doesn’t even want in the ACC but if they wanted in any conference they would get in that.
They could pick SEC, Big Ten, ACC, Pac-12 tomorrow and they would be in.
Texas wants the status quo and uses movement as a threat either to Oklahoma or ESPN to keep their LHN deal.
Texas doesn’t want anything to change.

 

[CU44SE]

If ND joined. My 16 th team would be Texas 1, penn state -2 (don’t think they would jump but you have to ask), 3- Maryland (they made a mistake), 4- West Virgini has natural rivalries and it makes sense geographically, 5- Houston, huge tv market and actually a good football program and improving basketball program and Texas recruiting. I don’t think navy, temple, UConn does anything

 

[Chip]

Texas refuses to play A&M since they left. They even tell Bowls don’t pick us if you pick A&M or we won’t play in the bowl.

Texas is jelly A&M got out of their shadow and brought the SEC to Texas.

They’re telling a different version now. At least Tom Herman is telling everyone they’re trying to schedule them. You can google it. Don’t know how legit it is but seems A&M is the one saying thanks but no thanks.

I had thought I read they were starting it back up officially but I was wrong. Wish they would.

 

[CousCuse]

Texas arrogance destroyed the Big12. ND helped to scuttle the OBE.

 

[elimunelson]

Texas refuses to play A&M since they left. They even tell Bowls don’t pick us if you pick A&M or we won’t play in the bowl.

Texas is jelly A&M got out of their shadow and brought the SEC to Texas.

So petty and illogical. Aren't these public universities who are funded by the taxpayers of Texas? Those rubes can't shoot straight with their inter state rivalries. One of the benefits of Covid-19 is the absolute illogical attitudes of these colleges and the pettiness towards other schools.

Absurd these two don't play yearly.

 

[Hoo's That]

So petty and illogical. Aren't these public universities who are funded by the taxpayers of Texas? Those rubes can't shoot straight with their inter state rivalries. One of the benefits of Covid-19 is the absolute illogical attitudes of these colleges and the pettiness towards other schools.

Absurd these two don't play yearly.

No, they're funded by oil royalties. Both the UT and A&M Systems have huge endowments (2nd and 8th largest, respectively) because just about all the money the state got from the oil companies over time was immediately put into those funds.
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As far as not playing regularly, there's a LOT of big brother/little brother resentment going on here. If they both really wanted to play, they would. The move by aTm to the SEC was an attempt to get out from under UT's shadow and be less of an afterthought in Texas. All the members of the Big XII are equal, but Texas is more equal than the others, even OU.

 

[OmahaCuse]

South Florida, sleeping giant

 

[Hoo's That]

South Florida, sleeping giant

And the two Florida schools are more than happy to pump more ZzzQuil into them intravenously.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

Temple would be a strategic strike to the eastern flank of the B1G. The Philadelphia media spreads halfway across Pa. to the west, across all of NJ to the east and thru the DMV to the south. It would also be a blow to Big East flag ship Villanova. Bringing ACC teams into Philly like Duke, UNC, FSU, Clemson, Cuse and Pitt would make both of those leagues unhappy.

Temple got booted out of the Big East.

Noone cares about them. I'd bet Nova 1AA draws better in Philly.

Would be worse for the conference's image than uconn.

So what they had a couple good coaches recently.

I'd consider giving Nova the deal the Big East gave uconn before Temple TBH if they want to step up. Because that would seriously hurt/crush NBE hoops.

 

[WoadBlue]

Don't want to derail this thread but North Carolina is having the success in recruiting that we Orange fans have been dreaming of. Anything you care to share, WoadBlue, on what it's like to be a Heel fan right now?

It is very good timing. NC football talent has been improving steadily over 20 years. That means that if UNC football ever got a top HC who was also proven to be a great recruiter. UNC football could hit sustained heights it has never known. Butch Davis was the first shot at doing that. The massive opposition to him by faculty and many of what I call basketball-first boosters meant he was a marked man from day 1.

Mack is the guy able to get it done. Most importantly, virtually all UNC basketball boosters really like him. For another, very few on the faculty dislike him. And then there is the fact that NC HS coaches love him as much as TX HS coaches did.

The very tough thing for Cuse football recruiting is that NY HS talent was never great, but now it is weaker than ever. Plus, PA produces less talent than it did 25 and especially 50 years ago. I think Cuse must hit NJ hard, and that probably means arranging a game to be in Giants Stadium every year. And I think Cuse must lead in trying to recruit Canada, where there is growing football talent. Successes on the field then will mean improved recruiting in the talent rich parts of the ACC footprint.

Cuse, Pitt, and BC all can become bigger winners, but all must be successful at selling the program as 'We are not in the South, but we play all those ACC teams from the South.' Guys from up north know how much talent is in the South. Staying in or near your own region while getting to face those teams from down south will appeal to many recruits.

 

[WoadBlue]

None of the 3 northeastern states teams in the ACC should ever agree to have another northeastern school not named Penn St enter the ACC.

Why? Because the northeast produces very little football talent. The more teams in the northeast that are in a P5, the more that northeastern talent is watered down among schools. TV viewing works very much the same.

It is very good for both Cuse and BC that UConn football seems permanently reduced. You should not want to give Temple a leg up.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

None of the 3 northeastern states teams in the ACC should ever agree to have another northeastern school not named Penn St enter the ACC.

Why? Because the northeast produces very little football talent. The more teams in the northeast that are in a P5, the more that northeastern talent is watered down among schools. TV viewing works very much the same.

It is very good for both Cuse and BC that UConn football seems permanently reduced. You should not want to give Temple a leg up.

Which is why Cincy is the better fit. it will be easier for ND, Louisville, Pitt, and Cuse to recruit that area. Sure kids will look B1G first but there is plenty of talent there. Lots of b-ball talent too.

 

[Alsacs]

Which is why Cincy is the better fit. it will be easier for ND, Louisville, Pitt, and Cuse to recruit that area. Sure kids will look B1G first but there is plenty of talent there. Lots of b-ball talent too.

If Cincinnati came on it would be easy to pod the ACC.

Pod 1
Louisville
Cincinnati
Pittsburgh
Syracuse

Pod 2
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Duke
North Carolina

Pod 3
Miami
Notre Dame
Florida State
Boston College

Pod 4
Clemson
NC State
Wake Forest
Georgia Tech

The pods rotate so as the divisions aren’t locked in every season. 2 pods on each side and the winners of the sides play in the conference title game.

Easy scheduling that will never happen but should if I were in leadership.