this is ignoring the numbers previously posted on this board.
right. judah drive flop and get fouled is an offensive set. we don't share the ball. it's called ISO.
Right it is. Ever sit courtside where you can hear the plays called out? Didn’t think so. I have.
rich and privileged don't make you right. we play ISO ball. anyone with eyes sees it. most possessions are 1 pass or less. that's what we call ISO. no coaching needed. just 1st round talent. which we lack.
Meh. Just because they call out plays doesn't mean that they're the most effective or something designed for other than getting 1 or 2 designated players in an ISO situation.
Bees- I agree, we run sets but in fairness, they aren’t very effective. We have the worst high ball screen in CBB. 90% of the time there is no contact with the defender on the screen, he just goes over a weak screen and then we resort to iso ball way too often. Truth be told our guards are the problem, they don’t drive their man into the screen. Been that way for years. You’d think with 3 PGs as coaches, we’d do that right.
Well whatever we run isn’t getting anyone consistent clean or open looks
Bees is right. You don’t understand basketball if you can’t see the offensive sets we do run. My issue with JB is that the offense lacks complexity and diversity, it’s the same boring handful of sets we’ve been running forever, and we often don’t run them crisply or have constant motion. And after they run through them, we just resort to high ball screens and dribble drive. One play not included in this article is the horns set, where two bigs come up to the elbows of the free throw line and set staggered ball screens. I really hope we go after an offensive-minded coach like Matt Painter after JB retires.
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when the ball never leaves one players hands over half court. not a set. can we agree a set is at least 3 passes ?
Don’t agree with this one. One of JBs main sets is the double screen up top where if the PG gets the right look he could take it right to the basket and get a layup. Jason Hart and Allen Griffen worked this all the time
20+ years ago.
I agree, that they run "plays" but the end goal is the same and it's heavily reliant on individual players to make offense happen and when they can't, they're at a serious disadvantage. From the article:Bees is right. You don’t understand basketball if you can’t see the offensive sets we do run. My issue with JB is that the offense lacks complexity and diversity, it’s the same boring handful of sets we’ve been running forever, and we often don’t run them crisply or have constant motion. And after they run through them, we just resort to high ball screens and dribble drive. One play not included in this article is the horns set, where two bigs come up to the elbows of the free throw line and set staggered ball screens. I really hope we go after an offensive-minded coach like Matt Painter after JB retires.
Syracuse basketball's five go-to offensive plays
For years, Syracuse has run the same basic five offensive plays. Here they are, broken down, to demonstrate the simplicity in the approach.
All well and good when you're leaning on NBA talent to make it work. And when you're not?
You could play a lineup of Joe Mintz Brown QC Jesse and score points. It was proven last game. Everyone can say "they will pack in the lane" until their blue in the face yet somehow we scored points.
Well yeah. You got to follow along with the thread.
Of those guys that line up would probably be the best, but keep in mind that was by far the best we have seen out of copeland on offense to date. There will be games from him where you want him on the bench as soon as possible, and the way his shot looks there will definitely be games where you don't want him spacing the court and shooting from range. Would still like to see him take some of Sys back up guard minutes since we would finally have a guard with some size capable of actually contesting threes in the zone.
Ok, so? Because it's all missing the forest for the trees. Does it matter how someone defines a play vs a set vs a simple ISO dribble-drive offense? 20 years has to do with the fact that like the article said, Syracuse is exceptionally easy to scout for. It's a tired system that has stagnated for years and the head coach isn't interested in changing because reasons (e.g., this used to work wonders back in the day). OK, how about a set means that the players are moving in agreed upon patterns to score the basketball. Great. whoopity do.
