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[two3zone]

Please stop - Richardson looks like a pro type of guard - Cooney is a 3 star recruit that is a playing like a walk on

Roberson looked like Billy Owens according to most.

Curb the massive expectations on these guys. You really don't know what you're going to get out of anybody that comes in. McCullough looked like a sure thing and there are still a couple of question marks on him.

 

[GonzoInMD]

Roberson looked like Billy Owens according to most.

Curb the massive expectations on these guys. You really don't know what you're going to get out of anybody that comes in. McCullough looked like a sure thing and there are still a couple of question marks on him.

One of the big problems with a lot of you fans is that you have over-inflated expectations for our recruits coming in...then if they don't live up to the hype, you "discard" them and move on to the next hyped recruit.

 

[two3zone]

One of the big problems with a lot of you fans is that you have over-inflated expectations for our recruits coming in...then if they don't live up to the hype, you "discard" them and move on to the next hyped recruit.

Hey, don't count me in that bunch, I don't have inflated expectations for anybody. Was excited about McCullough coming in, but the list of guys I've been truly excited for coming in the past few years had been small.

I'd say the only guys I had big expectations for in the past 4/5 years or so are Fab, Waiters, MCW, and McCullough. Everybody else was more of a "let's wait and see what they can do".

Loved Fab coming in because of his size, when did SU have a legit 7' McDonald's AA play for us? Never. Big expectations.

Waiters, signed his LOI when he was 9 years old (I'm kidding). Was a athletic machine, guys like that succeed.

MCW. 6'6" pg. Had huge expectations for him, I still do even at the next level.

McCullough. Don't have to say much, the hype, the videos on YouTube from when he was 15/16, the size, the stroke. He's the real deal.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Doesn't even make sense

 

[Orijinal]

Wait a minute, the team is a terrible shooting team because of McNamara's coaching? This board should be shut down for the night after that comment. Everybody go to bed.

Still stand by my statement (or should I say question) And I knew I was gonna get at least one response like this--Don't Question GMac! OrangeExtreme brought up the point that MacNamara coached MCW and Waiters. Didn't both of those guys come off the bench? And I don't know what their career 3 point shooting percentages were.

I THINK there has been a pattern of diminishing productivity from the perimeter since GMac came in, but I do not have any stats on it. Fine if I am proven wrong. But these past few years sure seem like there has been diminishing returns.

 

[longislandcuse]

Still stand by my statement (or should I say question) And I knew I was gonna get at least one response like this--Don't Question GMac! OrangeExtreme brought up the point that MacNamara coached MCW and Waiters. Didn't both of those guys come off the bench? And I don't know what their career 3 point shooting percentages were.

I THINK there has been a pattern of diminishing productivity from the perimeter since GMac came in, but I do not have any stats on it. Fine if I am proven wrong. But these past few years sure seem like there has been diminishing returns.

This isn't an out of line question. Last year was the worst 3 point shooting team I've ever seen...until this year.

Btw, everyone who wants to say "look at everything else Cooney does", at some point your shooting guard has to be able to SHOOT. Its becoming ridiculous at this point.

 

[CaptainJ]

This isn't an out of line question. Last year was the worst 3 point shooting team I've ever seen...until this year.

Btw, everyone who wants to say "look at everything else Cooney does", at some point your shooting guard has to be able to SHOOT. Its becoming ridiculous at this point.

Didn't the legendary Stevie Thompson play the 2 spot at times?

 

[doc05]

Didn't the legendary Stevie Thompson play the 2 spot at times?

And that was not a good situation for that team at all -- he also played point.

 

[doc05]

This isn't an out of line question. Last year was the worst 3 point shooting team I've ever seen...until this year.

Btw, everyone who wants to say "look at everything else Cooney does", at some point your shooting guard has to be able to SHOOT. Its becoming ridiculous at this point.

It really is this simple -- and for some reason people keep wanting to make excuse after excuse. The SHOOTING guard -- cannot shoot. He was brought in to shoot, to score the basket. He is having trouble getting open and making shots against inferior competition. I was hoping this initial stretch against seemingly inferior teams could get him going. I was sadly mistaken. If he can't make a jump shot against Holy Cross, what is going to happen come ACC time?

Truth be told I do not believe he was ever the "sharp shooter" people made him out to be coming out of high school. I distinctly remember reading reports that he had a disappointing senior year and did not shoot the ball particularly well as a senior -- playing in Delaware.

 

[domestu]

Is McNamara the problem? Is he coaching kids to shoot like he did? I don't know.

I'm truly wondering if it's coaching here. Everyone thought that GMac would be such a wonderful coach because he was a fan favorite. But is he one to blame here?

That's like saying Larry Bird doesn't understand the type of players it takes to win a NBA championship because he brought Lance Stephenson to the Pacers and look at how disruptive his antics were to the team during last spring's playoffs.

You could argue that the entire staff didn't do a good job recruiting outside shooters but blaming the team's 3-point shooting woes on McNamara is quite a stretch. If someone doesn't have much accuracy from the perimeter, you can't wave a magic wand and make them into lights out from distance. I don't think Steve Kerr could turn these players into a good perimeter shooting team.

 

[NKR1978]

This isn't an out of line question. Last year was the worst 3 point shooting team I've ever seen...until this year.

Btw, everyone who wants to say "look at everything else Cooney does", at some point your shooting guard has to be able to SHOOT. Its becoming ridiculous at this point.

Unfortunately the guy behind him can't shoot and doesn't do the other things Cooney does.

 

[McNabb2Brominski]

We only attempted 14 3s and about 5 of those 3s came at the end when the guys were trying to get to 75 (for tacos).

Its a little concerning that the coon-dog was 0-4 from 3. He really needs to step his game up or he will go down as the biggest bust in SU bball history.

 

[brian williams]

According to ESPN's stats, after last night's 0 for, we are 2nd from the bottom in 3pt%. Only Houston Baptist makes the 3 at a lower percentage. At least BC is right there with us.

 

[Orijinal]

Unfortunately the guy behind him can't shoot and doesn't do the other things Cooney does.

And that says it all. It's not one guy ...it's everyone. Another reason why I think this may be a coaching issue, and not just a recruiting issue.

2nd from the bottom in 3 pt percentage? I don't know how excusable that is for a program that now regularly brings in top 10 recruiting classes. That's not just bad ...that's horrendous

 

[anomander]

Is McNamara the problem? Is he coaching kids to shoot like he did? I don't know. One opinion of GMac while he was playing here was that he wasn't a good shooter (I know ...I had to wash out my ears to make sure I was hearing it straight)

He was a clutch shooter in many ways and could fill up a stat sheet on any given night from beyond the arc. But the comment was that when he missed, he wasn't missing where he should be missing--that a good shooter would draw front rim or back rim on a missed shot, but Mac hardly ever did.

I'm truly wondering if it's coaching here. Everyone thought that GMac would be such a wonderful coach because he was a fan favorite. But is he one to blame here?

Huhhhh? What. So let me get this straight, our guys can't shoot because of McNamara? You've got to be kidding me? Have you ever played basketball? In most cases it's either you shoot, or you can't. Coaches can be good to help make adjustments if you are in a slump, but you have to be able to shoot in the first place. It's a ton of individual work, mostly done by the player on his own. I'd blame it more on who we have decided to recruit. Too much of an emphasis on long, athletic guys.

 

[Longtimesu]

Huhhhh? What. So let me get this straight, our guys can't shoot because of McNamara? You've got to be kidding me? Have you ever played basketball? In most cases it's either you shoot, or you can't. Coaches can be good to help make adjustments if you are in a slump, but you have to be able to shoot in the first place. It's a ton of individual work, mostly done by the player on his own. I'd blame it more on who we have decided to recruit. Too much of an emphasis on long, athletic guys.

Head cases. Stop thinking, and shoot the ball. Shooting the bb is just as much mental as it is mechanics.

 

[AZOrange]

Roberson looked like Billy Owens according to most.

Curb the massive expectations on these guys. You really don't know what you're going to get out of anybody that comes in. McCullough looked like a sure thing and there are still a couple of question marks on him.

I remember those comps. It was such an insult to billy even then. People forget how good he was.

 

[AZOrange]

Huhhhh? What. So let me get this straight, our guys can't shoot because of McNamara? You've got to be kidding me? Have you ever played basketball? In most cases it's either you shoot, or you can't. Coaches can be good to help make adjustments if you are in a slump, but you have to be able to shoot in the first place. It's a ton of individual work, mostly done by the player on his own. I'd blame it more on who we have decided to recruit. Too much of an emphasis on long, athletic guys.

We're never going to be a great shooting team but these guys HAVE to be better than this.

 

[Cuse'91]

I'm starting to think it's mechanics with Cooney. When he shoots 3s, how often does he lineup to the basket, follow through with both hands, go up vertical? It's usually a one hand off balance shot where his body goes way past vertical...

 

[anomander]

I remember those comps. It was such an insult to billy even then. People forget how good he was.

Billy was an absolute beast. No matter what sport people always get too carried away with the new recruits. Just like people started to get on Ennis at the end of last season, saying we will be better off with Joseph cause he's a better scorer.

 

[AZOrange]

I'm starting to think it's mechanics with Cooney. When he shoots 3s, how often does he lineup to the basket, follow through with both hands, go up vertical? It's usually a one hand off balance shot where his body goes way past vertical...

The biggest flaw I've noticed is his left hand.

 

[anomander]

I'm starting to think it's mechanics with Cooney. When he shoots 3s, how often does he lineup to the basket, follow through with both hands, go up vertical? It's usually a one hand off balance shot where his body goes way past vertical...

When he goes straight up and down he is fine. Unfortunately most of the time he is either fading to his left, right, or backwards. It could happen for him being in such a rush to get his shot off. Ever since he started showing up on scouting reports he has been smothered. When he does find himself open he's in such a rush to get it off his mechanics go haywire. I'd say it's a combination of both.

 

[Cuse'91]

When he goes straight up and down he is fine. Unfortunately most of the time he is either fading to his left, right, or backwards. It could happen for him being in such a rush to get his shot off. Ever since he started showing up on scouting reports he has been smothered. When he does find himself open he's in such a rush to get it off his mechanics go haywire. I'd say it's a combination of both.

Yeah, definitely various reasons for the poor shooting, especially above the neck at this point. I'm sure the whole team is feeling the pressure to hit from 3...

 

[anomander]

We're never going to be a great shooting team but these guys HAVE to be better than this.

It definitely is frustrating to watch. I just can't believe the recruiting plan allowed it to get this bad. Other then Cooney, what shooters have we really gone hard after? I always thought that was the correction we made in the 2015 class, and the main reason we took Lydon over Jones.

 

[SoBeCuse]

Good teams with big forwards/centers will pack it in and double team XMAS full-time. At that point we'll basically have 0 offense.

I know man. It will get ugly then. Real ugly.