“They’re the best defensive team we’ve played,’’ said Tennessee coach Rick Barnes

[RF2044]

He was lowering his head and pushing into the defender with his shoulder every time he was preparing to shoot. Clearly, that's an offensive foul , and it was called just once.

As mentioned yesterday, Carey committed a bunch of offensive fouls that weren't called.

 

[Cusefan0307]

lol not sure you’re winning an argument about needing a taller guy when the 6’8” guy off the bench scores a bunch of points when their 7’0” starter did absolutely nothing.

 

[Surfan06001]

Seriousl

Seriously deranged creeper, so sorry

Flattery will get you nowhere

 

[Ragman2000]

A find it mind-blowing that every now and again, posters on here take shots at Mike Waters. Imagine being that pompous...

Mike Waters has covered the Syracuse University basketball program for the past 37 years. His work has earned awards from the Associated Press Sports Editors and the U.S. Basketball Writers' Association. In 2021, he was presented with the USBWA's Jim O'Connell Award for beat writing excellence. He was inducted into the USBWA Hall of Fame in 2022. In 2023, he worked as writer and lead reporter for "Will to Win'' an award-winning documentary on the 20th anniversary of Syracuse's 2003 NCAA championship team. He has written four books on SU basketball's history.

He's truly one of the best in the nation and we are lucky to have him. Frankly he and Donna are a dying breed and they're both awesome; if anyone doesn't realize that, they'll surely see it when they are gone.

That sort of competence and professionalism just doesn't exist in media like it used to.

 

[Ozone!]

Both the Houston coach and the Tennessee coach have made comments on how good our defense is, those are high compliments!

 

[syrBossHogg]

It's impressive how much better the team defense has improved compared to Autry's first season. Now if only the offense can improve...

 

[RedtheGOB]

He was lowering his head and pushing into the defender with his shoulder every time he was preparing to shoot. Clearly, that's an offensive foul , and it was called just once.

Refs called the flop on that Tenn guard as a make up. I was actually worried the refs were just going to blow a whistle when he took that last shot.

Yea there was some inconsistency.

 

[RedtheGOB]

Both the Houston coach and the Tennessee coach have made comments on how good our defense is, those are high compliments!

Fun fact. Carmelo beat both them on his way to the Natty. Imagine those guys 22 years later Sampson and Barnes are as good as it gets coaching but no Chip on that resume yet. And now they're seeing his kid play ha

*Edit. The farthest Barnes ever made it was the final 4 in 2003 and Melo dropped 33 on him. Ouch.

 

[CardiacCuse]

lol not sure you’re winning an argument about needing a taller guy when the 6’8” guy off the bench scores a bunch of points when their 7’0” starter did absolutely nothing.

i mean hes a BIG BODY...he plays much bigger than his height as a result. i know I talked a lot about height but a big body player like that is basically the same as a taller player.

he is a post presence you can dump the ball to and get a bucket like arinze or otis hill etc

something the current roster doesnt have...and would be better for if it did

does this roster have anyone you can post up? they NEVER use the post. and it hurts the offense.

its not only about Kyle

its about the entire SU frontline being pretty weak...suaore was a traffic cone for carey.

and i 100% disagree that waht carey was doing was offensive fouls. thats so lame to try and cover for the defense with that crap. almost every sngle one of his points was legit and if you guys think refs are gonna call that youre going to be disappointed

i think the refs called it pefectly

 

[CardiacCuse]

He was lowering his head and pushing into the defender with his shoulder every time he was preparing to shoot. Clearly, that's an offensive foul , and it was called just once.

every time? lol no

he scored a lot of his point with zero contact

 

[Cusefan0307]

i mean hes a BIG BODY...he plays much bigger than his height as a result. i know I talked a lot about height but a big body player like that is basically the same as a taller player.

he is a post presence you can dump the ball to and get a bucket like arinze or otis hill etc

something the current roster doesnt have...and would be better for if it did

does this roster have anyone you can post up? they NEVER use the post. and it hurts the offense.

its not only about Kyle

its about the entire SU frontline being pretty weak...suaore was a traffic cone for carey.

and i 100% disagree that waht carey was doing was offensive fouls. thats so lame to try and cover for the defense with that crap. almost every sngle one of his points was legit and if you guys think refs are gonna call that youre going to be disappointed

i think the refs called it pefectly

Our best inside guy is injured.

We held Tennessee 23 points below their season average and held them to their lowest scoring output of the season by 16 points. Kyle is averaging more BPG than any center we have had since Fab Melo.

 

[orangefog]

i mean hes a BIG BODY...he plays much bigger than his height as a result. i know I talked a lot about height but a big body player like that is basically the same as a taller player.

he is a post presence you can dump the ball to and get a bucket like arinze or otis hill etc

something the current roster doesnt have...and would be better for if it did

does this roster have anyone you can post up? they NEVER use the post. and it hurts the offense.

its not only about Kyle

its about the entire SU frontline being pretty weak...suaore was a traffic cone for carey.

and i 100% disagree that waht carey was doing was offensive fouls. thats so lame to try and cover for the defense with that crap. almost every sngle one of his points was legit and if you guys think refs are gonna call that youre going to be disappointed

i think the refs called it pefectly

So girth equates to playing taller, but wingspan, standing reach and vertical jump don't?

 

[CardiacCuse]

So girth equates to playing taller, but wingspan, standing reach and vertical jump don't?

wingspan and standing reach cant stop a mack truck but they can catch a butterfly

centers have to be able to do both

 

[CardiacCuse]

Our best inside guy is injured.

We held Tennessee 23 points below their season average and held them to their lowest scoring output of the season by 16 points. Kyle is averaging more BPG than any center we have had since Fab Melo.

the defense is good...but teams are gon a pound these guys down low in the future...lets see how it goes

freeman isnt a good post defender, either...very skinny fyi

 

[orangefog]

wingspan and standing reach cant stop a mack truck but they can catch a butterfly

centers have to be able to do both

Can they maybe enhance the ability to block shots or get rebounds?

 

[Niastri]

i mean hes a BIG BODY...he plays much bigger than his height as a result. i know I talked a lot about height but a big body player like that is basically the same as a taller player.

he is a post presence you can dump the ball to and get a bucket like arinze or otis hill etc

something the current roster doesnt have...and would be better for if it did

does this roster have anyone you can post up? they NEVER use the post. and it hurts the offense.

its not only about Kyle

its about the entire SU frontline being pretty weak...suaore was a traffic cone for carey.

and i 100% disagree that waht carey was doing was offensive fouls. thats so lame to try and cover for the defense with that crap. almost every sngle one of his points was legit and if you guys think refs are gonna call that youre going to be disappointed

i think the refs called it pefectly

Both Kyle and White posted up against Tennessee, White had a couple nice baskets using a baby hook in the post.

 

[CardiacCuse]

Both Kyle and White posted up against Tennessee, White had a couple nice baskets using a baby hook in the post.

from 1 to 10 what would you rate SUs post offense?

I give it a 3

post defense I would give a 5 or 6

perimeter defense about a 9 (thats the reason the defense is good)...excelling vs the 3 pt shot thus far

team defense and help defense - 9 as well...getting blocks steals and covering for each other very well

 

[dasher]

i mean hes a BIG BODY...he plays much bigger than his height as a result. i know I talked a lot about height but a big body player like that is basically the same as a taller player.

he is a post presence you can dump the ball to and get a bucket like arinze or otis hill etc

something the current roster doesnt have...and would be better for if it did

does this roster have anyone you can post up? they NEVER use the post. and it hurts the offense.

its not only about Kyle

its about the entire SU frontline being pretty weak...suaore was a traffic cone for carey.

and i 100% disagree that waht carey was doing was offensive fouls. thats so lame to try and cover for the defense with that crap. almost every sngle one of his points was legit and if you guys think refs are gonna call that youre going to be disappointed

i think the refs called it pefectly

You can't be serious with that. His first basket down low was 100% a offensive foul. So much so that they called it the very next time he made the same move.

 

[orangefog]

Both Kyle and White posted up against Tennessee, White had a couple nice baskets using a baby hook in the post.

With his off hand, too. That was impressive.

 

[Niastri]

With his off hand, too. That was impressive.

Yeah, that's a wild thing about White... I remember watching his high school film, and it's very hard to tell his dominant hand.

 

[Niastri]

from 1 to 10 what would you rate SUs post offense?

I give it a 3

post defense I would give a 5 or 6

perimeter defense about a 9 (thats the reason the defense is good)...excelling vs the 3 pt shot thus far

team defense and help defense - 9 as well...getting blocks steals and covering for each other very well

If 10 on that scale is Alonzo Mourning in 1992, I would suggest there isn't a 6 in all of college basketball most seasons these days. Nobody cares about elite centers making 60% of their two point baskets these days when a bunch of JAGs are shooting 40% from three, and the great post player usually is going to be in the NBA in a year anyway... Zach Edey was a 9, and by far the best post player this decade. The game is different now. I think you aren't realizing players scoring from the low post is increasingly rare.

I think on the None to Mourning scale, a 3 sounds about right. Freeman makes that better, though since he showed a really good post game in high school he hasn't played in the post much here.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/alonzo-mourning-1.html

There is a reason we hated this guy.

 

[CardiacCuse]

If 10 on that scale is Alonzo Mourning in 1992, I would suggest there isn't a 6 in all of college basketball most seasons these days. Nobody cares about elite centers making 60% of their two point baskets these days when a bunch of JAGs are shooting 40% from three, and the great post player usually is going to be in the NBA in a year anyway... Zach Edey was a 9, and by far the best post player this decade. The game is different now. I think you aren't realizing players scoring from the low post is increasingly rare.

I think on the None to Mourning scale, a 3 sounds about right. Freeman makes that better, though since he showed a really good post game in high school he hasn't played in the post much here.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/alonzo-mourning-1.html

There is a reason we hated this guy.

Not sure if youre aware but Zach Edey has been absolutely crushing it in the NBA lately



and a struggling memphis has won 5 of its last 7 now that they have him back healthy...

but anyway... Im just talking about the 2025 NCAABB 1-10...and i was talking about team ratings not individual players anyway

 

[McCuse]

You can't be serious with that. His first basket down low was 100% a offensive foul. So much so that they called it the very next time he made the same move.

There was one where they showed a replay of that had me yelling at the TV. He lowered his shoulder and rammed it into our players solar plexis. Big time offensive that they didn't call.

 

[dasher]

There was one where they showed a replay of that had me yelling at the TV. He lowered his shoulder and rammed it into our players solar plexis. Big time offensive that they didn't call.

That was the one

 

[McCuse]

We’ve played multiple top 15 teams and not once has the center position been a weakness. Yet you continue to die on this hill. It’s not an issue , hasn’t been an issue and will be even less of an issue when Donnie returns. Sheesh.

If we don’t finish out the season well given the big win last night has positioned us to be able to do so the center position won’t be the reason. Take that to the bank.

Kyle had 6 blocks!