2017-18 Coaching Carousel

[Trueblue25]

This offseason coaching carousel is a perfect example of why Syracuse will never be able to keep a successful coach unless they truly want to be here. If head coaches from some of the top football programs in the country are being poached, then Syracuse stands no chance. Here's hoping that Dino is successful and that he really wants to be here, otherwise we will be searching for a new coach again in a couple years.

I dont know if I necessarily buy that.

We have a reasonable fan base with reasonable expectations that’ll worship a winner like the second coming of christ. We have a dome for an offense. We are in the best division in college football. We have academic credibility to back our scholarship offers. We have money, not texas A&M/lsu/clemson money, but we have money. We have an IPF and foreseeable considerable upgrades to the dome.

I think SU has a lot more going for it than we give ourselves credit. We’ll never be a big southern football school, but watching the Tennessee situation, clearly thats not all that matters.

 

[shandeezy7]

I dont know if I necessarily buy that.

We have a reasonable fan base with reasonable expectations that’ll worship a winner like the second coming of christ. We have a dome for an offense. We are in the best division in college football. We have academic credibility to back our scholarship offers. We have money, not texas A&M/lsu/clemson money, but we have money. We have an IPF and foreseeable considerable upgrades to the dome.

I think SU has a lot more going for it than we give ourselves credit. We’ll never be a big southern football school, but watching the Tennessee situation, clearly thats not all that matters.

Those are all nice things. Most of those are also things that dozens of other schools have. And we don't have money to compete with what the top 25 salaries in coaching are. When a big boy comes calling, the only way a successful coach stays at Syracuse is if they truly want to be here. I don't think I'm saying anything controversial here.

 

[Trueblue25]

Those are all nice things. Most of those are also things that dozens of other schools have. And we don't have money to compete with what the top 25 salaries in coaching are. When a big boy comes calling, the only way a successful coach stays at Syracuse is if they truly want to be here. I don't think I'm saying anything controversial here.

You’re not, was just opening up discussion because its something I think about often.

Wonder how much the university would be willing to open up the wallets after, say, an 8 win season with noticeably improved ticket sales etc.

Our original offer to Dino wasn’t lightweight. Interested in seeing whats realistic if he truly has success next year. If anything’s been made clear this week, its that other bigger programs will inevitably come calling

 

[shandeezy7]

You’re not, was just opening up discussion because its something I think about often.

Wonder how much the university would be willing to open up the wallets after, say, an 8 win season with noticeably improved ticket sales etc.

Our original offer to Dino wasn’t lightweight. Interested in seeing whats realistic if he truly has success next year. If anything’s been made clear this weeks, its that other bigger programs will inevitably come calling

I'd propose a salary cap for coaching staffs. It will never happen, but a guy can dream, right?

 

[Trueblue25]

I'd propose a salary cap for coaching staffs. It will never happen, but a guy can dream, right?

They’ll lure them with bigger private jets, recruitment yachts and the like then im sure. Shameless south

 

[elimunelson]

We have money for sure but we also have limits and budgets that probably are more scrutinized at a private university with finite cash coming into the AD. At the end of the day it's incumbent to find the right personnel to coach at Syracuse.

We have no idea where Dino stands once the big boys come calling. I'm hoping this is his final outpost but no one will know until he has his Doeren/Clawson season and the calls come. My suspicion is Clawson has not had his agent looking to leverage his situation and Doeren does.

 

[Crusty]

Bo Bellini won 9-10 games each year and 5-7 conference games. Since leaving Nebraska he has gone 23-15 and 13-11 in the Missouri Valley Conference. Very good but not great head coach. However, not much room for upside.
Frost has a good natural platform on which to build and is at least as good a coach as Bellini. If he does marginally better he will compete with Wiscy for the Legends Conference title every year. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

 

[Frozen]

Bo Bellini won 9-10 games each year and 5-7 conference games.

 

[TheCusian]

If we finished 8-4 curious how the Dino situation would have worked out. As everyone can see, we cannot compete with the real big money teams at this point. It's irrelevant trying to extend because end of day we can't compete with the big boys. We have to sell our lower expectations as a reason to keep a coach happy.

So the answer is to waive the white flag and hope for the football version of JAB?

I dunno. I like the paying a guy what he's worth approach.

 

[TheCusian]

Those are all nice things. Most of those are also things that dozens of other schools have. And we don't have money to compete with what the top 25 salaries in coaching are. When a big boy comes calling, the only way a successful coach stays at Syracuse is if they truly want to be here. I don't think I'm saying anything controversial here.

This implies a few things that I don't think are automatic:

- That everyone takes more money (they don't)
- That the path to the playoff is easier at one of those schools (sometimes? our division had gotten bonkers - but we'll see if it stays that way)
- That the money is worth dealing with psycho boosters

 

[elimunelson]

So the answer is to waive the white flag and hope for the football version of JAB?

I dunno. I like the paying a guy what he's worth approach.

says the guy who has no idea what the budget is at SUAD. I can't speak to what they can/can't pay top guys. My assumption is they'll not get to the SEC level of coaching salaries ever. That isn't a new theory. This is an arms race that we never entered for any coach. I think Dino is the first coach who is getting a salary that passes the ACC Smell Test.

I'm not waving a white flag. I'm just saying Syracuse needs to do things slightly different to find success. We found Mac/Pasqualoni. Two guys who stayed a long time and had degrees of success.

 

[CousCuse]

So the answer is to waive the white flag and hope for the football version of JAB?

I dunno. I like the paying a guy what he's worth approach.

Maybe Macky can be the football version of JB someday.

 

[721Comstock]

Bo Bellini won 9-10 games each year and 5-7 conference games. Since leaving Nebraska he has gone 23-15 and 13-11 in the Missouri Valley Conference. Very good but not great head coach. However, not much room for upside.
Frost has a good natural platform on which to build and is at least as good a coach as Bellini. If he does marginally better he will compete with Wiscy for the Legends Conference title every year. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

How does one do "marginally better" than 9-10 wins per season, every season?

Nebraska was much worse after he left, so clearly he was doing something right while he was there.

 

[elimunelson]

How does one do "marginally better" than 9-10 wins per season, every season?

Nebraska was much worse after he left, so clearly he was doing something right while he was there.

He was right guy, wrong time. Similar to Pete Carroll with the Patriots. It's not good business to follow a legend no matter the results. You need to sustain 12 win seasons which Osbourne did for decades.

 

[Alsacs]

I don’t care if the coach is here long term anymore.
Coaches are always looking to move on.
If Florida State can lose its coach to Texas A&M nobody is safe anymore.

I want to give Dino a new deal to just keep the buyout high. High buyout ensures we have the $$$ to hire a good candidate and give them a high assistant pool.

 

[TheCusian]

says the guy who has no idea what the budget is at SUAD. I can't speak to what they can/can't pay top guys. My assumption is they'll not get to the SEC level of coaching salaries ever. That isn't a new theory. This is an arms race that we never entered for any coach. I think Dino is the first coach who is getting a salary that passes the ACC Smell Test.

I'm not waving a white flag. I'm just saying Syracuse needs to do things slightly different to find success. We found Mac/Pasqualoni. Two guys who stayed a long time and had degrees of success.

Do you?

Things have gotten a bit more fluid now what we're in the ACC. Since we've gotten ACC $, we've been open to paying more.

The real disparity is in high profile $ football donors/boosters. No small thing.

But you've maintained/suggested/implied that DB shouldn't want more money and that if he does, he's no lifer. I don't think it's so black and white.

 

[TheCusian]

He was right guy, wrong time. Similar to Pete Carroll with the Patriots. It's not good business to follow a legend no matter the results. You need to sustain 12 win seasons which Osbourne did for decades.

Different era of football, different conference, etc.

Put them in the same bucket as Georgia and Tennessee: unrealistic expectations.

 

[orangenirvana]

Facilities wars are out of control. What a waste of money

It's become disgusting.

 

[shandeezy7]

This implies a few things that I don't think are automatic:

- That everyone takes more money (they don't)
- That the path to the playoff is easier at one of those schools (sometimes? our division had gotten bonkers - but we'll see if it stays that way)
- That the money is worth dealing with psycho boosters

Right, but nothing that you said disproves anything that I said. If a coach is successful here and is interested in leaving for more money, then he will and there is nothing that we can do to stop it. Hence why I said that when the big boys come calling, the only way we keep our guy is if he truly would rather stay in Syracuse instead of leaving for more money and potentially more headaches. This offseason has essentially proven that.

 

[CuseLegacy]

 

[Alsacs]

FSU fanbase had to drive Jimbo our.
With that said he fail to make A&M what he made Florida State.

Willie Taggert come on down.
I wonder where Oregon goes.

 

[elimunelson]

FSU fanbase had to drive Jimbo our.
With that said he fail to make A&M what he made Florida State.

Willie Taggert come on down.
I wonder where Oregon goes.

Ironically isn't that where Scott Frost was?

I mean Oregon needs to see if Leach would take over no?

 

[Frozen]

If Taggart goes to FSU, I could see Beau Baldwin at Oregon.

 

[CuseOnly]

FSU fanbase had to drive Jimbo our.
With that said he fail to make A&M what he made Florida State.

Willie Taggert come on down.
I wonder where Oregon goes.

Oregon already made Taggert a new offer, up in the air whether he moves on or not.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

FSU fanbase had to drive Jimbo our.
With that said he fail to make A&M what he made Florida State.

Willie Taggert come on down.
I wonder where Oregon goes.

I mean, this season just must have really, really pissed Jimbo off.

Or, maybe there were issues before this season?