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2017 Yankees Thread

Briancuse said:
Hes not an ace, at best hes an ok number two.
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Here's a way to look at it; if the season ended today, the AL playoff teams would be:

Boston: Obviously he's no Chris Sale. A healthy David Price is better than him, he's probably pretty close to Drew Pomeranz?
Clevland: Kluber is better than him. Carlos Carrasco probably is too, right?
Royals: Gray would likely be the ace of their staff.
Houston: Dallas Keuchel I would say is better. Is Lance McCullers? Probably not.

In the NL
Nats: Scherzer is obviously better, Strasburg probably is also.
Cubs: Lester better, Arrieta also? He's taken a step back this year.
Dodgers: Kershaw, Wood, Darvish, ridiculous.
Arizona: Greinke is better, Robbie Ray is having a hell of a year, but they're probably comparable.
Colorado: Gray would probably be the ace of this staff.

So of the other 9 playoff teams, Gray would be the best pitcher on 2 of them. I would say he'd be a #2 starter on maybe 2 of them? Houston and Arizona, and I guess you can debate the Cubs.

Edit: Ok i forgot the Cubs traded for Quintana.
 
Knicks411 said:
Here's a way to look at it; if the season ended today, the AL playoff teams would be:

Boston: Obviously he's no Chris Sale. A healthy David Price is better than him, he's probably pretty close to Drew Pomeranz?
Clevland: Kluber is better than him. Carlos Carrasco probably is too, right?
Royals: Gray would likely be the ace of their staff.
Houston: Dallas Keuchel I would say is better. Is Lance McCullers? Probably not.

In the NL
Nats: Scherzer is obviously better, Strasburg probably is also.
Cubs: Lester better, Arrieta also? He's taken a step back this year.
Dodgers: Kershaw, Wood, Darvish, ridiculous.
Arizona: Greinke is better, Robbie Ray is having a hell of a year, but they're probably comparable.
Colorado: Gray would probably be the ace of this staff.

So of the other 9 playoff teams, Gray would be the best pitcher on 2 of them. I would say he'd be a #2 starter on maybe 2 of them? Houston and Arizona, and I guess you can debate the Cubs.

Edit: Ok i forgot the Cubs traded for Quintana.
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Lucky for the Yankees he only has to be the number 3. Or 4.
 
OttoinGrotto said:
I don't know what that means but I love it.
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it means the Yankees want their $$ back after sending Levine (for the last 2 weeks) to the casinos at Trinidad & Tobago with his corporate credit card.
 
Briancuse said:
Hes not an ace, at best hes an ok number two.
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Semantics. To me, if you are one of the top two guys in the rotation on most decent teams, you are a "front line starter."
 
Briancuse said:
The Dodgers are fricken loaded, no excuse for them not to win the World Series.
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Except it's baseball and you need to win three series and the best team during the regular season often comes up short.
 
br801 said:
Semantics. To me, if you are one of the top two guys in the rotation on most decent teams, you are a "front line starter."
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The way people are talking about him its like they just added Rodger Clemens, I guess its typical to hype up Yankees.
 
br801 said:
Except it's baseball and you need to win three series and the best team during the regular season often comes up short.
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The best team usually does win it though.
 
Briancuse said:
The way people are talking about him its like they just added Rodger Clemens, I guess its typical to hype up Yankees.
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Who is hyping the Yankees? They would have been just fine without him. But he's a very nice get for the stretch run and a great addition to the rotation for 2018 and 2019.
 
Briancuse said:
The way people are talking about him its like they just added Rodger Clemens, I guess its typical to hype up Yankees.
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not 1 person in NYC is talking about the trade that way...NOT 1.

just the crazy folks on here who are trying to make him out to be an ace.

this is not CC to the Brewers, nor is it Randy to the Stros.

but it is Denny Neagle x5.
 
KaiserUEO said:
not 1 person in NYC is talking about the trade that way...NOT 1.

just the crazy folks on here who are trying to make him out to be an ace.

this is not CC to the Brewers, nor is it Randy to the Stros.

but it is Denny Neagle x5.
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As I alluded to above, he fits in very nicely behind Tanaka (who's coming on), Severino (future ace - Thanks Pedro) and Sabathia, who is having a great year and knows how to pitch. He's better than Pineda (injured) and Montgomery. I'd feel pretty good going into a best of 7 series with those 4.
 
Anyone who doesn't think that a healthy Sonny Gray is an upper echelon number two starter is smoking bad weed. And you guys got him for two more years. And you gave up two injured guys and one other prospect for him. You guys should be doing cartwheels.
 
Briancuse said:
The way people are talking about him its like they just added Rodger Clemens, I guess its typical to hype up Yankees.
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Well let's talk about the mets and their moves for their play off run...oh wait...my bad...

Love it when mets fans start to get little brother syndrome...
 
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OttoinGrotto said:
In my mind the Yankees have a core that looks pretty solid for a long time between Sanchez, Gregorius, Castro, Judge and Frazier with gaps at the corners (could be resolved by Bird/Torres) and CF (Hicks/dream big on Harper?). The only one making any real money from that group for now is Castro and that's true for years to come. The starting pitching long term needs help - Severino ideally remains solid, now we've got Gray, maybe Jordan Montgomery can keep developing, but beyond that we need some players. I wouldn't mind if Tanaka straightens out and stays. Hopefully Adams/Sheffield become something down the road. Yankees would seem to be a premier FA destination for a starting pitcher and they have a lot of money coming off the book sin the next few years.

I don't know what that means but I love it.
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New MLB International Signing Rules | BaseballAmerica.com

The new Collective Bargaining Agreement includes significant changes to the international signing rules.

There is no international draft, as Major League Baseball had initially proposed, but teams will now have bonus pools with hard caps. Gone are the days of teams being allowed to blow past their bonus pools, pay an overage tax and be limited to signings for no more than $300,000 the following two signing periods.

Bonus Pools

Under the new system, beginning for the 2017-18 signing period that starts on July 2, most teams will have a bonus pool of $4.75 million. The clubs that receive a “Competitive Balance Pick” in Round A of the June draft get a $5.25 million bonus pool. The clubs that get a “Competitive Balance Pick” in Round B get a $5.75 million pool. So, essentially, some of the smaller market teams will get extra money in their pools. Signing bonuses of $10,000 or less will continue to be exempt from the bonus pools. Every team’s 2017-18 bonus pool is available here.

Teams can also trade pool space once the signing period opens on July 2. They can acquire up to 75 percent of their original pool allocation in 2017-18 and 2018-19, then after that they can trade for up to 60 percent of their original pool. Teams are allowed to trade away as much of their pool as they want. So a team that starts with a $4.75 million pool could trade up to around $8.3 million, while a team with $5.75 million could trade up to get a little more than $10 million. One difference in the new CBA is that teams will now be allowed to trade for additional pool space even if they have already spent their full pool allotment. Under the previous system, a team’s bonus pool consisted of four individual slot values, and trading pool space required trading those slot values. The new system is just a straight bonus pool with no individual slot values, so that should make things simpler with regards to trades.

The size of a team’s bonus pool could also shrink if the club signs a qualifying offer free agent. A team over the major league luxury tax that signs a qualifying offer player loses $1 million from its international pool the next signing period. All other clubs who sign a qualifying offer player will lose $500,000 from their pool the next signing period. All forfeited international bonus pool money will be distributed equally among the other clubs.

Penalties

Teams that went over their bonus pools in previous signing periods to incur penalties will have those penalties carry over into the new CBA. So teams like the Padres, Astros and Braves that are over their current 2016-17 signing pool will be unable to sign a player for more than $300,000 in the 2017-18 and 2018-19 signing period, though they are still able to spend their full pool allotment or trade it away.

Pool Exemptions

The rules also raise the signing age for players to be exempt from the bonus pools. The rules had been that international players were exempt from the bonus pools if they were at least 23 with five or more seasons of experience in a foreign professional league, like Serie Nacional in Cuba. Now players must be at least 25 with six seasons in a foreign professional league to be exempt. While those rules most commonly come in to play for Cuban players, the rules encompass all international players, including foreign professionals in Japan and Korea.

Just like under the previous system, signings from Mexican League clubs will continue to only have the amount of money that goes to the player count against a team’s bonus pool. The majority of Mexican players are signed directly from Mexican League teams, some of which keep as much as 75 percent of the payment, though it varies by team and player.

A joint announcement from the commissioner’s office and the players’ association also notes that the bonus pools will grow in subsequent years along with industry revenues. The growth rate of the international bonus pools and the draft bonus pools will be equal. The announcement also noted that MLB “may impose strict penalties on any club that attempts to circumvent the system.”


Read more at New MLB International Signing Rules | BaseballAmerica.com
 
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