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2018 Pro Day March 19

That’s a big linebacker
Not being a jerk, but that trainer is short. Look at him next to Franklin in the pic above your post. I think they said Zaire is 6’ 0” in that post. About the same height difference if not more.
 
Not being a jerk, but that trainer is short. Look at him next to Franklin in the pic above your post. I think they said Zaire is 6’ 0” in that post. About the same height difference if not more.
He's not next to Franklin in that picture. He's next to Williams, who is 6'4"ish. Read what CL said under the pic.
 
I wish they posted numbers from the other guys. I'm curious what Philips did. I'm surprised he was slower than Ish and Franklin.
 
He's not next to Franklin in that picture. He's next to Williams, who is 6'4"ish. Read what CL said under the pic.
And if you look at the picture of Franklin directly above the post I responded to, you will see that it appears Williams and Franklin are the same amount taller than the trainer, but Franklin is listed at 6’0” from his pro day.
 
I wish they posted numbers from the other guys. I'm curious what Philips did. I'm surprised he was slower than Ish and Franklin.
Some of the info that came out for Zaire came out from his agent. I don't know but it could be some of the lack of numbers on the other guys could be "marketing" by their agents.
 
I was stunned Zaire was left out of the combine. Thrilled to see him do well yesterday. I'm biased- he's one of my favorites both on and off the field - but I'd be surprised if he doesn't end up as a steal for some team.
 

SYRACUSE, N.Y. – After not being invited to the NFL Scouting Combine, former Orange linebacker Zaire Franklin watched from afar the testing results turned in by the players at his position.

Then he went about the process of trying to exceed them.

Franklin was one of 11 former Syracuse standouts to display their talents in front of NFL scouts at the Orange's Pro Day Monday, March 19. And the numbers he put up rivaled those of any linebacker in this year's draft class.

Franklin, who has been training the last two months at Ford Sports Performance in Bellevue, Wash., did 30 repetitions on the bench press, recorded a vertical leap of 38 inches and ran a 4.58 in the 40-yard dash. All three marks would have placed him in the top six among linebackers at the Combine. In fact, Franklin's 30 repetitions of 225 on the bench press were two more than Arizona State's Christian Sam, the top-performing linebacker invited to Indianapolis.

"Once I found out that I was officially not going to be there, it was just kind of one of those things where I get to see what numbers I've got to go beat a week before I get to go do it," Franklin said. "It was all good. It was just more motivation."

While Franklin turned the most heads, defensive back Jordan Martin and linebacker Jonathan Thomas also posted some of the day's top results.

Martin, who played corner at Toledo before spending his one Syracuse season at safety, carded 10'10" (130 inches) in the broad jump. It was a mark that would have ranked third among cornerbacks at the Combine and seventh among all defensive backs. His 37-inch vertical would have tied for seventh among safeties and tied for eighth among corners.

Thomas logged Syracuse's second-best result in the broad jump at 10'9" (129 inches), which would have put him third behind Vanderbilt's Oren Burks and Florida State's Matthew Thomas at the Combine. Burks and Thomas each jumped 131 inches.

In addition to putting participants through their paces on the field and in the weight room, team representatives had the opportunity to watch film and meet with members of the Orange football staff Monday. They also held one-on-one meetings with players after the workouts.

All-America receiver Steve Ishmael, who caught 105 passes for 1,347 yards and seven touchdowns last season, was one of the most sought-after interviews. So was Franklin, who took the time to meet with several teams.

Now that Pro Day is behind them, Syracuse's NFL hopefuls will go about the process of scheduling private workouts leading up to the draft, which begins April 26 at AT&T Stadium in Arlington, Texas.

For Franklin, the private workouts are an opportunity to reaffirm what he did Monday.

"I think everybody's going to look at my numbers today and say, 'What?'" Franklin said. "And then they'll want to see it in person and I'm going to do it in person."
 
Would love to see Zaire on my Bears as a late round pick, same size as their two MLB's last year Freeman and Trevathan, think he would be a great fit in a 3 - 4 that doesn't put too much stock in height. Also 4.58 from Ish is fast enough, not saying he is as good as Allen Robinson but Allen ran a 4.60 at the combine and gets open plenty. Hope those guys stick with an NFL club.
 
4.5+ 40s from skill position players is why we have been 4-8/3-9 the last four years.

Looking forward to changing that soon!
I don't know what it is with people and the distorted impression of the 40 yard dash.

In the 2018 NFL combine, the number of players with a sub 4.50 40 yard dash:
RB - 5
TE - 0
WR - 14
LB - 1
S - 8
CB - 17

That's it. In the real world, there are very, very few players who run a sub 4.50 40 yard dash.

That's not to say Syracuse wouldn't benefit from a speed upgrade. They will and they are working on that. But the fetishization of 40 yard times is unhelpful.
 
I don't know what it is with people and the distorted impression of the 40 yard dash.

In the 2018 NFL combine, the number of players with a sub 4.50 40 yard dash:
RB - 5
TE - 0
WR - 14
LB - 1
S - 8
CB - 17

That's it. In the real world, there are very, very few players who run a sub 4.50 40 yard dash.

That's not to say Syracuse wouldn't benefit from a speed upgrade. They will and they are working on that. But the fetishization of 40 yard times is unhelpful.


Syracuse is known as a “fast track” school. I have friend very high up at a NFL organization that can vouch for that. Most players run faster at their pro day than the combine, usually by 5 tenths of as second or greater, hence the disaster if a player chooses to run and run slower than the combine.

My guess is Ishmael’s 40 is closer to 4.65 than 4.58. Which would have placed him in the bottom tier of to 40ish WR’s art the combine. Love the kid and hope he does well, but he may have some trouble getting separation in today’s NFL.
 
Syracuse is known as a “fast track” school. I have friend very high up at a NFL organization that can vouch for that. Most players run faster at their pro day than the combine, usually by 5 tenths of as second or greater, hence the disaster if a player chooses to run and run slower than the combine.

My guess is Ishmael’s 40 is closer to 4.65 than 4.58. Which would have placed him in the bottom tier of to 40ish WR’s art the combine. Love the kid and hope he does well, but he may have some trouble getting separation in today’s NFL.
This sounds like conjecture on top of supposition on top of hyperbole.
 
Syracuse is known as a “fast track” school. I have friend very high up at a NFL organization that can vouch for that. Most players run faster at their pro day than the combine, usually by 5 tenths of as second or greater, hence the disaster if a player chooses to run and run slower than the combine.

My guess is Ishmael’s 40 is closer to 4.65 than 4.58. Which would have placed him in the bottom tier of to 40ish WR’s art the combine. Love the kid and hope he does well, but he may have some trouble getting separation in today’s NFL.
Why not just get lasers. Cory Parker is a speed and strength coach for other teams and he had them at his training school my son Austin went to. They ain’t that expensive.
 
Syracuse is known as a “fast track” school. I have friend very high up at a NFL organization that can vouch for that. Most players run faster at their pro day than the combine, usually by 5 tenths of as second or greater, hence the disaster if a player chooses to run and run slower than the combine.

My guess is Ishmael’s 40 is closer to 4.65 than 4.58. Which would have placed him in the bottom tier of to 40ish WR’s art the combine. Love the kid and hope he does well, but he may have some trouble getting separation in today’s NFL.
Bolded part cannot be true. I think you meant hundredths, not tenths.
 
Hahahaha. Nope. All true.
Except the five tenths of a second bit, which as Orangepace pointed out, should be hundredths.

Reedny is a very smart poster who, no doubt, also pointed this out.
 
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Nope. 5 tenths faster. It’s that fast! Guys fly here, might as well be on skates!
So...you're saying that Franklin is closer to a 5.0 forty rather than 4.58?
 
Nope. 5 tenths faster. It’s that fast! Guys fly here, might as well be on skates!
if you are going to double down on the 5 tenths thing, all you are going to do is discredit what you are claiming. I believe you have a friend high up in an NFL organization and I believe Syracuse has a rep for having a fast track. But it is simply outside the bounds of reasonableness that Syracuse's track is FIVE TENTHS of a second faster - a full half second faster - than the combine. That is so ridiculous as to be a laughable assertion. Either your friend misspoke or you misunderstood, because there is simply no way that is true.

Put another way, if it were true Syracuse would be having guys put up 4.1's and 4.2's, and that just isn't happening.
 

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