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Fine... I was exaggerating for effect. I think technically warp means replacement player right? A replacement player could come from the street. Not that it really matters.

The point is the Mets would have been better off with of lot of other players vs the two players the Mets got back in that trade

I think it will probably turn out that way. I'm just waiting to see Seattle reap the benefits of the trade, which really hasn't happened yet.
 

Sherrman has a good insider story over the firing. I do agree the Mets hitting seems broken... perfect example was game 1 against the cards. Mets scored 4 runs in the first and had plenty of opportunities to score again after that but continuously blew it. When a team has a runner on 2nd with zero outs there are zero excuses for not plating that guy. However I'm not sure the HR or bust path makes it more likely to plate that run vs Davis's make contact and spread the ball around approach.
 

Sherrman has a good insider story over the firing. I do agree the Mets hitting seems broken... perfect example was game 1 against the cards. Mets scored 4 runs in the first and had plenty of opportunities to score again after that but continuously blew it. When a team has a runner on 2nd with zero outs there are zero excuses for not plating that guy. However I'm not sure the HR or bust path makes it more likely to plate that run vs Davis's make contact and spread the ball around approach.
This has been a trend for years now, the inability to hit with risp, this was Cohen trying to send a message that Rojas is next. He isn't going to let this inept manager ruin the season.
 
This has been a trend for years now, the inability to hit with risp, this was Cohen trying to send a message that Rojas is next. He isn't going to let this inept manager ruin the season.
I dont think rojas is an issue at all.. If just Lindor was hitting .250 the team has 3-4 more wins right now.
 
I dont think rojas is an issue at all.. If just Lindor was hitting .250 the team has 3-4 more wins right now.
He is a huge issue, he did a terrible job last year and is again this year. He has no feel for the game, his players don't respond to him.
 
He is a huge issue, he did a terrible job last year and is again this year. He has no feel for the game, his players don't respond to him.
I dont see that at all. this team has an issue in driving in runs same issue every year.. thats on the players at some point.
 
I dont see that at all. this team has an issue in driving in runs same issue every year.. thats on the players at some point.
For that team not to make the playoffs last year and watch the Miami Marlins get a playoff spot is unforgiveable, Put Joe Girardi on the Mets they make it.
 
For that team not to make the playoffs last year and watch the Miami Marlins get a playoff spot is unforgiveable, Put Joe Girardi on the Mets they make it.
I cant stand Girardi as a manager.
 
I dont think rojas is an issue at all.. If just Lindor was hitting .250 the team has 3-4 more wins right now.
Yesterday in game one of the double header, Lindor made one really bad throwing error which led to two unearned runs. Generally his fielding has been good, but I honestly thought he would have more range... there hav been a number of hits that have just gotten by Lindor. It would have taken a really great play for him to make those plays, but when you are paid as the best short stop in the game, shouldn’t you make some of those plays?
 
I dont think rojas is an issue at all.. If just Lindor was hitting .250 the team has 3-4 more wins right now.
Yesterday in game one of the double header, Lindor made one really bad throwing error which led to two unearned runs. I hope his hitting struggled aren’t impacting his fielding.

Generally his fielding has been good, but I honestly thought he would have more range... there have been a number of hits that have just gotten by Lindor. It would have taken a really great play for him to make those plays, but when you are paid as the best short stop in the game, shouldn’t you make some of those plays?
 
Yeah Lindor has made some nice plays.. but His arm seems a bit lacking to me.. I really never saw him much the last few years to have an opinion before.. He is an upgrade from Rosario but 350 Million I am not seeing and hitting wise total bust.. He looks like someone who is not seeing the ball at all and everything is weak contact..

still lots of time.. maybe he hits 300 the last 4 months
 
Yesterday in game one of the double header, Lindor made one really bad throwing error which led to two unearned runs. Generally his fielding has been good, but I honestly thought he would have more range... there hav been a number of hits that have just gotten by Lindor. It would have taken a really great play for him to make those plays, but when you are paid as the best short stop in the game, shouldn’t you make some of those plays?
Defensive metrics are problematic, but literally all of them say Lindor is an elite shortstop (even this year). I think his range is probably better than your eyes are telling you.
 
Yeah Lindor has made some nice plays.. but His arm seems a bit lacking to me.. I really never saw him much the last few years to have an opinion before.. He is an upgrade from Rosario but 350 Million I am not seeing and hitting wise total bust.. He looks like someone who is not seeing the ball at all and everything is weak contact..

still lots of time.. maybe he hits 300 the last 4 months
I was kind of expecting a meltdown with the news on DeGrom. It wasn't a good sign when he requested an extra day of rest for 2 starts in a row.

Hope this is minor and he is 100% soon.

Sounds like Carrasco is about to join the starting rotation and Thor should join the fray in late May/early June.

Kind of glad Nimmo is on the injured list for his finger. Maybe it will give his hip time to heal properly. He plays so hard he tends to get banged up and it is hard to take him out for any length of time because he is so important to the team. Pillar needs to step up. I think he will.

Same thing with Villar at 3rd filling in for Davis.

Personally, I would like to see Nido used more. When he is in, good things seem to happen a lot. McCann has really been struggling and probably could use some rest. I don't think he is used to playing every day.

Regarding Lindor, I think it was good to sit him down for a game. He looks lost mentally. When he gets back in the lineup, I would like to see him hit 7th or 8th for a bit. Nimmo and McNeil are terrific in the 1 and 2 slots, Alonso does well in the 2 hole. Take a little pressure off Lindor and maybe it will help him get off the snide.
 
IF McNeil or Lindor or Smith start to hit they will be fine. tough when your 3 best are all down like 100 pts from normal for a long stretch

nimmo is consistent..
Davis has been pretty solid,

Conforto will probably get around .275 when he is done cause he always has a couple nice hot streaks.

Alonso hitting great but few home runs as he is seeing very few good pitches.

Whatever we get from the catcher I can live with.
 
IF McNeil or Lindor or Smith start to hit they will be fine. tough when your 3 best are all down like 100 pts from normal for a long stretch

nimmo is consistent..
Davis has been pretty solid,

Conforto will probably get around .275 when he is done cause he always has a couple nice hot streaks.

Alonso hitting great but few home runs as he is seeing very few good pitches.

Whatever we get from the catcher I can live with.
Smith has to start hitting breaking stuff again... they showed a stat where Dom is below .200 on breaking pitches. Last year he was >.300 on breaking stuff and the year before he was in the high .200s.

I don't how it's possible for so many of the Mets hitters to be hitting so much worse than their historical averages at the same time. Something is up with this team.
 
Yesterday in game one of the double header, Lindor made one really bad throwing error which led to two unearned runs. I hope his hitting struggled aren’t impacting his fielding.

Generally his fielding has been good, but I honestly thought he would have more range... there have been a number of hits that have just gotten by Lindor. It would have taken a really great play for him to make those plays, but when you are paid as the best short stop in the game, shouldn’t you make some of those plays?

Yeah, maybe even twice in a row! ;);)
 
its almost hard to believe how the Mets cant score..

18 guys on today in 8 innings score 2 runs.. 2-11 RISP and neither hit scores a run..

Nice that I still have the same number of Hits as Lindor this month..
 
its almost hard to believe how the Mets cant score..

18 guys on today in 8 innings score 2 runs.. 2-11 RISP and neither hit scores a run..

Nice that I still have the same number of Hits as Lindor this month..
Three runs scored so far. All on walks.

What a crazy game.
 
club record for men left on base.. nice

feels like the SU offense inside the red zone
 
With the recent stories that the Mets changed batting coaches to switch from a traditional approach to the current theory of hitting with an uppercut and not caring how often you strike out, (something I had assumed they were already doing, considering their results), I decided to look at the Mets walk to strike-out ratios over the years to see what kind of historical trends would be revealed. I decide to add in the runs scored and the team winning percentage. For years in which they didn’t play 162 games, I decided to project the totals over 162 games to help access the numbers and the trends.

1962: 624 walks/1003 strikeouts ratio: 1-1.607 runs: 625 win%: .250
1963: 457/1078 ratio: 1-2.359 runs: 501 win%: .315
1964: 353/932 ratio: 1-2.640 runs: 569 win%: .327
1965: 392/1129 ratio: 1-2.880 runs: 495 win%: .309
1966: 449/998 ratio: 1-2.223 runs: 587 win%: .410
1967: 362/981 ratio: 1-2.710 runs: 498 win%: .377
1968: 379/1203 ratio: 1-3.174 runs: 473 win%: .451
1969: 527/1089 ratio: 1-2.066 runs: 632 win%: .617
1970: 684/1062 ratio: 1-1.553 runs: 695 win%: .512
1971: 547/958 ratio: 1-1.751 runs: 588 win%: .512
1972: 612/1028 ratio: 1-1.680 runs: 528 win%: .532
1973: 543/810 ratio: 1-1.492 runs: 612 win%: .509
1974: 597/735 ratio: 1-1.231 runs: 572 win%: .438
1975: 501/805 ratio: 1-1.607 runs: 646 win%: .506
1976: 561/797 ratio: 1-1.421 runs: 615 win%: .531
1977: 529/887 ratio: 1-1.677 runs: 587 win%: .395
1978: 549/829 ratio: 1-1.510 runs: 607 win%: .407
1979: 498/817 ratio: 1-1.641 runs: 593 win%: .389
1980: 501/840 ratio: 1-1.677 runs: 611 win%: .414
1981: 478/948 ratio: 1-1.983 runs: 547 win%: .398
1982: 456/1005 ratio: 1-2.204 runs: 609 win%: .401
1983: 436/1031 ratio: 1-2.365 runs: 575 win%: .420
1984: 500/1001 ratio: 1-2.002 runs: 652 win%: .556
1985: 546/872 ratio: 1-1.597 runs: 695 win%: .605
1986: 631/968 ratio: 1-1.534 runs: 783 win%: .667
1987: 592/1012 ratio: 1-1.709 runs: 823 win%: .568
1988: 544/842 ratio: 1-1.550 runs: 703 win%: .625
1989: 504/934 ratio: 1-1.853 runs: 683 win%: .537
1990: 536/851 ratio: 1-1.588 runs: 775 win%: .562
1991: 582/794 ratio: 1-1.364 runs: 644 win%: .478
1992: 572/956 ratio: 1-1.671 runs: 599 win%: .444
1993: 448/879 ratio: 1-1.962 runs: 672 win%: .364
1994: 482/1157 ratio: 1-2.400 runs: 725 win%: .487
1995: 502/1118 ratio: 1-2.227 runs: 739 win%: .479
1996: 445/1069 ratio: 1-2.402 runs: 746 win%: .438
1997: 550/1029 ratio: 1-1.870 runs: 777 win%: .543
1998: 572/1049 ratio: 1-1.834 runs: 706 win%: .543
1999: 713/988 ratio: 1-1.400 runs: 848 win%: .595
2000: 675/1037 ratio: 1-1.536 runs: 807 win%: .580
2001: 545/1062 ratio: 1-1.949 runs: 642 win%: .506
2002: 489/1050 ratio: 1-2.147 runs: 694 win%: .466
2003: 492/1041 ratio: 1-2.116 runs: 646 win%: .410
2004: 512/1159 ratio: 1-2.264 runs: 684 win%: .438
2005: 486/1075 ratio: 1-2.212 runs: 722 win%: .512
2006: 547/1071 ratio: 1-1.958 runs: 834 win%: .599
2007: 549/981 ratio: 1-1.787 runs: 804 win%: .543
2008: 619/1024 ratio: 1-1.654 runs: 799 win%: .549
2009: 526/928 ratio: 1-1.764 runs: 671 win%: .432
2010: 502/1095 ratio: 1-2.181 runs: 656 win%: .488
2011: 571/1085 ratio: 1-1.900 runs: 718 win%: .475
2012: 503/1250 ratio: 1-2.485 runs: 650 win%: .457
2013: 512/1384 ratio: 1-2.703 runs: 619 win%: .457
2014: 516/1264 ratio: 1-2.450 runs: 629 win%: .488
2015: 488/1290 ratio: 1-2.643 runs: 683 win%: .556
2016: 517/1302 ratio: 1-2.518 runs: 671 win%: .537
2017: 529/1291 ratio: 1-2.440 runs: 735 win%: .432
2018: 566/1404 ratio: 1-2.481 runs: 676 win%: .475
2019: 516/1384 ratio: 1-2.682 runs: 791 win%: .531
2020: 532/1345 ratio: 1-2.528 runs: 772 win%: .433
2021: 538/1315 ratio: 1-2.566 runs: 544 win%: .480 (though 25 games x 162/25)
Totals 31,484/61,243 ratio: 1-1.945 runs: 39,782 win%: 29.040
Averages: 525/1021 runs: 663 win%: .484

Comments: I was surprised that the Mets teams of the 60’s, as bad as they were, had such high ratios of walks to strikeouts. I thought all players were more selective back then. The number of walks per 162 games seems to be consistent: it’s the strike-outs that change.

Some key events that influenced these numbers: After Roger Maris beat babe Ruth’s home run record in 1961, his old buddy Ford Frick, once the ghostwriter for Babe’s biography but now the Commissioner of baseball, ordered that the pitcher’s mound and the strike zone be enlarged to prevent ‘cheap’ record breaking in the era of the 162 game season. That took effect for the 1963 season and plunged baseball into a pitcher-dominated era. New Commissioner Bowie Kuhn reversed those changes after the 1968 season and the offensive numbers went back up. Offensive numbers tend to go up in expansion years like 1962, 1969, 1976, 1993 and 1998, but then settle back down again the next season. It takes longer to find the good pitchers than it does to find the good hitters. In the 80’s it was observed that after the 1981 strike, offensive numbers seemed to go up each year through 1987, then dropped precipitously in 1988. The popular interpretation was that the threads in the ball had been progressively tightened to up the offense and create more interest and bring the fans back. Then, when the hitter demanded to be paid more money based on those numbers, the threads were loosened to make the balls softer so they would carry less, thus giving everyone a bad year that would enable management to turn down those salary demands. Then there was the huge jump at the time of the 1994 strike, which was thought to be manufactured by the same method, only moreso. It worked and the threads remained tight and the numbers high for several years after that.

Of course, your own team’s walk-to-strikeout ratio tells us nothing about that of the other team or their production. I was just looking at the Mets.

So considering these things, do the above numbers suggest that a better walk-to-strikeout ratio produces more runs and more wins? The first year the ratio went down, (1966, by 23%), runs went up by 19% and the winning percentage went up 33%. It increased dramatically over the next two years and runs scored went down. The won-lost record went down in 1967 but up in 1968, primarily due to the young pitching talent that was coming up. What jumps out at me is how the ’69 Mets ratio went down by a whopping 35%, their runs scored went up by a whopping 34% and their winning percent age did, too, (37%). The next year the WSR went down by about the same margin, (33% and runs increased again but by only 10% and the inning percentage went down 17%. The WSR went down each year from 1971-74. Inf act, 1974 had the lowest ratio of the entire 60 year period. But 1974 had the lowest run production and winning percentage of any of those years. The team was 20 games under .500. The ratio went down again in 1976 but runs went down and the winning percentage went up. In 1978 the ratio went down 10% and runs and wins went up but by only 3% each. The ratio progressively increased from 1979-83 while the Mets scored and won at about the same dismal rate.

1984 was another dramatic year in which the WSR went down by 15%, runs went up by 13% and wins went up 32%. Obviously it was more than just the offensive improvement, (Dwight Gooden). The ratio went progressively down the next two years while the runs and the wins went up. 1987 was the highest scoring Mets team to date, (later topped by 1999 and 2000), despite the fact that the ratio went up 11%. But the winning percentage went down 15% largely due to the fact that no less than 9 pitchers went on the DL. The next year, the ratio went down 9% but so did runs by 15% because the threads on the ball were loosened. I remember Darryl Strawberry hit 39 homers both years, losing the home run title by 10 in 1987 and winning it by 9 in 1988. In 1990 the WSR went down by 14%, runs went up by 13% and wins went up by 5%.

The WSR went progressively up after that with the biggest leap coming in 1994, when it went up 17%, runs went up 12% and wins 34%. I think players, realizing how easy it was to hit home runs, started to focus on that. Strikeouts remained high the next couple of years while runs and wins remained about the same. When the ratio started to come down during the 1997-2000 period, runs went up and the winning percentage went way up, culminating in a World Series appearance, (this also coincides with the arrival of Mike Piazza). The two big leaps were in 1997 when the WSR went down 22%, runs went up 4% and wins went up 24% and 1999 when it was -24%/+20%/+10%.

The Mets’ roller coaster turned back down after that and the WSRs went up, the runs went down and the wins went down with it. The big decline was in 2001 when the WSR went up 27%, and runs (20%) and winds (12%) both went down accordingly. In 2006, the WSR went down 11%, runs went up 16% and wins 17%. The WSR continued to go down the next couple of years but runs declined and so did the winning percentage. Then we had another bad stretch of six straight losing seasons during which strikeouts soared and runs scored declined. Strikeouts have remained at a very high level since then but runs scored and wins have varied, with no discernable pattern.

I’ll go to my grave feeling that putting the ball in play is better than striking out and that home runs are only part of the game. A batter should look for something in his wheelhouse until there are two strikes. At that point he should choke up on the bat and protect the plate. At least make them field the ball and see if they can give you an error, (official or unofficial, such as poor positioning or throwing to the wrong base). Leave ‘Home Run Derby’ to the All-Star game and those old re-runs. The stat show that a better walk-to-strikeout ratio can sometime have a big effect and sometimes none at all. I think that simply means that there are other things that also determine the outcome of a baseball game. You’ve got to give yourself the best chance to win.
 
guys not looking for pitches they can drive when the count favors them has been going on for too long.

mets had bases loaded yesterday.. Swung at 9 pitches the next 3 batters , hit 1 pop up missed 8 and no runs scored.. 2 ground balls scores 2 runs..

happens way too often.. they turned a 8-1 game into a game they could have been tied in the 9th today..

but last year they did much the same, the pitching was not as good early and they dug a big hole that the offense almost found a way to dig out of late in the season.. this year they should actually get better pitching in the next month and the offense tends to play to norm at some point. if they were scoring just 3 runs a game they would have several more wins.

Hope the rip off a 20-5 type month and the bats wake up.. Lindor finally has 1 more hit than me this month.. Lets see if he ends up with 2 more after next week.
 

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