2021 Yankees Season

[JustPherU]

It’s literally a measurement of how valuable one player is compared to others.

That’s if you believe that it’s the perfect stat, but I’m not in that camp.

 

[donniesyracuse]

That’s if you believe that it’s the perfect stat, but I’m not in that camp.

It’s not a perfect stat, but I’ll trust it over biased human subjectivity every day.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

It’s literally a measurement of how valuable one player is compared to others.

WAR is only a slightly better metric than DN.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Stanton. 472'

That one landed in Sausalito.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Voit sends one to Detroit. Only 437'

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Judgement Day

Only 413'. Wuss.

 

[rrlbees]

And here we go again

 

[rrlbees]

Big DP

 

[sabach]

Higgy.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Higgy only got 407'. Weaksauce.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Rays win

Sox win
Mariners lose

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[Chip]

It’s not a perfect stat, but I’ll trust it over biased human subjectivity every day.

Cole - ok

Judge - ok

Montgomery over Loaisiga? Flaw

Maybe the lasagna gets overly penalized in the math for his 3 very rough outings. But in the other 48, 4 of them he gave up 1 run, 44 he gave up 0. He has 9 wins and they’re not because he’s blown leads and the Yanks came back to win. It’s because he kept games close.

Maybe Holds just aren’t factored in very strongly. Even though we now live in a bullpen world (complete games are dead) the Hold stat just never really took off.

Judge and Cole continued to make their team MVP cases last night. It’s a great time to be alive.

 

[Hoo's That]

If you answer the question which player would you keep if you were forced to drop one it shows you how easy this answer is. Easiest answer ever. 4.3
And I LOVE A-Aron

Can you say the same about De-Nice?

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[Cowtown]

WAR is one way of looking at it, but if the Yanks are only 12-10 in Cole’s starts how much more valuable is he than say Judge?
I’m not sure those are correct numbers, but I heard a stat that said Yanks were somewhere near .500 in his starts.

That's the problem with a stat like WAR, IMHO. It's for the talking heads and stats wonks. Again, I don't get to see a lot of games, so correct me if I'm wrong, but most of Cole's losses came during a stretch when the team didn't play well - base running gaffes, low production WRISP, injuries, etc. And during that same stretch Judge was one of the few Yankees who consistently performed at the plate. So assigning value to an individual player when the team results were poor is arbitrary: the team didn't play well regardless of either player's efforts. So, the whole of the WAR idea is arbitrary at best - how do you compare an actual player to one who exists only in theory?

 

[donniesyracuse]

Montgomery over Loaisiga? Flaw

Does it matter that Montgomery pitched almost twice as many innings?

There’s a reason Randy Johnson and Roger Clemens weren’t relievers. Starting pitchers are more valuable. There talents would have been wasted as relievers.

 

[Chip]

Does it matter that Montgomery pitched almost twice as many innings?

There’s a reason Randy Johnson and Roger Clemens weren’t relievers. Starting pitchers are more valuable. There talents would have been wasted as relievers.

You mentioned two of the best, so I guess I could say there’s a reason Mariano Rivera was a reliever. He wouldn’t have been as good as a starter.

Bottom line I think lasagna has contributed to a lot of Yankee wins and they’d be a lot worse off without him. Certainly more than 2.2 games.

 

[donniesyracuse]

You mentioned two of the best, so I guess I could say there’s a reason Mariano Rivera was a reliever. He wouldn’t have been as good as a starter.

Bottom line I think lasagna has contributed to a lot of Yankee wins and they’d be a lot worse off without him. Certainly more than 2.2 games.

And the 60 extra innings Montgomery pitched are irrelevant?

 

[Chip]

And the 60 extra innings Montgomery pitched are irrelevant?

Yes, they're irrelevant.

Sigh.

I'll just ask a simple question. Which one do you think has had a bigger impact on this team?

 

[donniesyracuse]

Yes, they're irrelevant.

Sigh.

I'll just ask a simple question. Which one do you think has had a bigger impact on this team?

I’ll give the nod to the guy who pitched 60 more innings.

I do think they are two of the four most valuable players this season, as their WARs indicate.

 

[rrlbees]

All good things must come to an end. Sigh.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Alas Chad Green

 

[kirbivore]

Yes, they're irrelevant.

Sigh.

I'll just ask a simple question. Which one do you think has had a bigger impact on this team?

I gave up and blocked that dude a long time ago.