2022 football schedule

[Eric15]

I posted this on the Daily Articles thread but am adding a link to it here.

Scheduling Guidelines for 2022 ACC Football

This blog is about ACC Football - past glory, what went wrong, and how to fix it and get back to the glory days again.

accfootballrx.blogspot.com

That person thinks with Pitt and Miami being considered top programs in the ACC next season, it is a close to a given that the game between them will be played the last day of the season. I tend to agree.

So here is my updated guess:

9/2 Louisville
*9/10 @Uconn
*9/17 Purdue
*9/24 Wagner
10/1 @ Clemson
10/8 OPEN BYE
10/15 Florida State
10/22 @ Pittsburgh
*10/29 Notre Dame
11/5 Virginia
11/12 @ Wake Forest
11/19 NC State
11/26 @ Boston College

I moved the Wake game late in the year based on past history and moved the Clemson game recently early, again based on past history. And flipped the BC and Pitt games.

Again based on the past, I would expect the ACC schedule to be released around the end of this month.

Louisville, Purdue, FSU, ND, UVA, NC State. That is one of the best home schedules in recent memory. Great value for season ticket holders.

 

[sutomcat]

How tough is it to get in a car, drive 4-5 hours to see an away game? It is much easier to drive and stay in Syracuse than Boston.

Eli makes a good point but so do you. BC is even more isolated than we are from the rest of the ACC. At least for us, Pitt is 'only' a 6 hour drive.

It takes over 9 hours to drive from Boston to Pittsburgh.

That is only a few minutes less than it takes to drive to Charlottesville. Heck, it takes more than 2 more hours to drive to Charlottesville from Boston than Syracuse and that doesn't account for bad traffic days going past NYC.

Not that the Charlottesville drive matters for BC or SU fans given we currently get a chance to do it once every 14 years.

And I didn't even realize it until writing this post...did you know BC and Pitt do not play in football every year? They are in opposite divisions and are on the twice every 14 years, once at home, once on the road cycle we are on with teams like VT and Miami. BC's annual foe in the Coastal Division is VT.

I am guessing most BC grads end up living near Boston, NYC or somewhere in between. They probably get a fair number ending up in the DC metro area too, like we do.

It should be an easy drive from all of these areas. I think the biggest problem is BC grads tend not to be big football fans and rarely travel to games period.

 

[Consigliere]

Not that the Charlottesville drive matters for BC or SU fans given we currently get a chance to do it once every 14 years.

And I didn't even realize it until writing this post...did you know BC and Pitt do not play in football every year? They are in opposite divisions and are on the twice every 14 years, once at home, once on the road cycle we are on with teams like VT and Miami. BC's annual foe in the Coastal Division is VT.

Stop exagerating - it's once every 12 years! The crossover opponent (Pitt) is not part of the rotation. Heck, I won't even be 80 the next time we go to Blacksburg!

 

[sutomcat]

Stop exagerating - it's once every 12 years! The crossover opponent (Pitt) is not part of the rotation. Heck, I won't even be 80 the next time we go to Blacksburg!

Hoping like hell we have pods in place by the end of 2022. The 3-3-5 pod setup would ensure we play the teams in the other pods every other year, right?

So worst case we would play every other team in the ACC at home at least every 4 years. That would finally make the ACC feel like a real football conference, instead of a weird alliance.

 

[Consigliere]

Hoping like hell we have pods in place by the end of 2022. The 3-3-5 pod setup would ensure we play the teams in the other pods every other year, right?

So worst case we would play every other team in the ACC at home at least every 4 years. That would finally make the ACC feel like a real football conference, instead of a weird alliance.

The announced rotation runs through 2024 I believe. At the very least they will have to take a look at it and consider an adjustment. Curious how Virginia and Virginia Tech ended up in the same division. Would rather see them as crossover rivals so we play one of the schools every year. Would be nice to have at least a little visibility in Virginia like we do in Florida.

 

[longtimefan]

Eli makes a good point but so do you. BC is even more isolated than we are from the rest of the ACC. At least for us, Pitt is 'only' a 6 hour drive.

It takes over 9 hours to drive from Boston to Pittsburgh.

That is only a few minutes less than it takes to drive to Charlottesville. Heck, it takes more than 2 more hours to drive to Charlottesville from Boston than Syracuse and that doesn't account for bad traffic days going past NYC.

Not that the Charlottesville drive matters for BC or SU fans given we currently get a chance to do it once every 14 years.

And I didn't even realize it until writing this post...did you know BC and Pitt do not play in football every year? They are in opposite divisions and are on the twice every 14 years, once at home, once on the road cycle we are on with teams like VT and Miami. BC's annual foe in the Coastal Division is VT.

I am guessing most BC grads end up living near Boston, NYC or somewhere in between. They probably get a fair number ending up in the DC metro area too, like we do.

It should be an easy drive from all of these areas. I think the biggest problem is BC grads tend not to be big football fans and rarely travel to games period.

Your overall point is correct, but the current schedule is a 12-year cycle, not 14. We play Pitt every year, so we rotate through the other 6 Coastal teams times 2 to account for home/away.

I figure the league will stay on the current cockamamie schedule for 2 more years, then, just before we're about to complete the cycle with a home game vs. Miami, pfft, they go to the 3-5-5 model.

 

[Chris02M]

I posted this on the Daily Articles thread but am adding a link to it here.

Scheduling Guidelines for 2022 ACC Football

This blog is about ACC Football - past glory, what went wrong, and how to fix it and get back to the glory days again.

accfootballrx.blogspot.com

That person thinks with Pitt and Miami being considered top programs in the ACC next season, it is a close to a given that the game between them will be played the last day of the season. I tend to agree.

So here is my updated guess:

9/2 Louisville
*9/10 @Uconn
*9/17 Purdue
*9/24 Wagner
10/1 @ Clemson
10/8 OPEN BYE
10/15 Florida State
10/22 @ Pittsburgh
*10/29 Notre Dame
11/5 Virginia
11/12 @ Wake Forest
11/19 NC State
11/26 @ Boston College

I moved the Wake game late in the year based on past history and moved the Clemson game recently early, again based on past history. And flipped the BC and Pitt games.

Again based on the past, I would expect the ACC schedule to be released around the end of this month.

I agree with most of what is there, pitt is really our main rival though not bc. I think the fact that we have less than 0 chance of winning the division makes it ok for us to play cross checkers the last week. Also I think acc is trying to avoid any byes after the first week of November for fairness(my complete mock has byes starting 9/24(wk 4) and ending 10/29(wk 9)) Also something to look for unc and fsu will have 2 open dates since they scheduled a game in week 0


This is what clemsons schedule ended up as in my mock as they are still the big dog despite wake being 1st this year:

9/5 @ georgia tech
9/10 Furman( contract says 9/10 no idea why fbs moved it to october, its furman or bye most likely)
9/17 Louisiana
9/24 @ Boston College
10/1 NC State
10/8 Miami
10/15 Open Bye
10/22 @ FSU
10/29 Louisville
11/5 @ ND
11/12 Syracuse
11/19 @ Wake Forest
11/26 South Carolina

 

[sutomcat]

I agree with most of what is there, pitt is really our main rival though not bc. I think the fact that we have less than 0 chance of winning the division makes it ok for us to play cross checkers the last week. Also I think acc is trying to avoid any byes after the first week of November for fairness(my complete mock has byes starting 9/24(wk 4) and ending 10/29(wk 9)) Also something to look for unc and fsu will have 2 open dates since they scheduled a game in week 0


This is what clemsons schedule ended up as in my mock as they are still the big dog despite wake being 1st this year:

9/5 @ georgia tech
9/10 Furman( contract says 9/10 no idea why fbs moved it to october, its furman or bye most likely)
9/17 Louisiana
9/24 @ Boston College
10/1 NC State
10/8 Miami
10/15 Open Bye
10/22 @ FSU
10/29 Louisville
11/5 @ ND
11/12 Syracuse
11/19 @ Wake Forest
11/26 South Carolina

Could be. Pretty sure NC State is going to be ranked preseason and the NC State-Clemson game is going to be one of the most important of the ACC regular season, especially after NC State beat the Tigers last season head to head. Don’t see why they would prefer to pit Syracuse against Clemson in mid November instead of getting that rematch against the Wolfpack.

We almost alway play Clemson relatively early in the ACC schedule. I would be really surprised to see our game against the Tigers so late in the year. Guessing we will know for sure right about 3 weeks from today (late January).

 

[Chris02M]

Could be. Pretty sure NC State is going to be ranked preseason and the NC State-Clemson game is going to be one of the most important of the ACC regular season, especially after NC State beat the Tigers last season head to head. Don’t see why they would prefer to pit Syracuse against Clemson in mid November instead of getting that rematch against the Wolfpack.

We almost alway play Clemson relatively early in the ACC schedule. I would be really surprised to see our game against the Tigers so late in the year. Guessing we will know for sure right about 3 weeks from today (late January).

that week is a jigsaw puzzle week as its unlikely to have byes so you have to adjust which that along with giving Clemson there easiest home team following nd seemed like a solid strategy if a bye wasn't possible. It has been late before, we got demolished 51-3 or something under dino.

 

[sutomcat]

that week is a jigsaw puzzle week as its unlikely to have byes so you have to adjust which that along with giving Clemson there easiest home team following nd seemed like a solid strategy if a bye wasn't possible. It has been late before, we got demolished 51-3 or something under dino.

That was the year after we beat Clemson 27-24. Like NC State beat Clemson this past season.

The ACC has consistently tried to schedule their best games in November. I don’t see your logic but sometimes circumstances force them to schedule bad matchups late. Maybe this is one of those times. I am not seeing it but I haven’t done anywhere near the work on this you have.

Personally, I am hoping we play Clemson early. They have lost a lot of personnel and both coordinators. I think they are going to be vulnerable again and could get upset in a conference game or two early in the conference schedule.

 

[Chris02M]

That was the year after we beat Clemson 27-24. Like NC State beat Clemson this past season.

The ACC has consistently tried to schedule their best games in November. I don’t see your logic but sometimes circumstances force them to schedule bad matchups late. Maybe this is one of those times. I am not seeing it but I haven’t done anywhere near the work on this you have.

Personally, I am hoping we play Clemson early. They have lost a lot of personnel and both coordinators. I think they are going to be vulnerable again and could get upset in a conference game or two early in the conference schedule.

I wanted the clemson game to be october 1st , it didnt work out. Your thought on Clemson being early are accurate but I am not sure if thats mainly because of our home games vs them being primo friday night games and down there being flexible

 

[SUDadx2]

No matter how you cut it, next season's schedule will not be easy. Some of the "way too early Top 25 predictions have as many as three of our opponents in the top 10, and four ACC opponents in the top 15.

Stewart Mandel of the Atlantic has #5 Notre Dame, #8 Clemson (road game), #9 NC State, #11 Pitt (road game) and #15 Wake (road game). We play three of those teams on the road (Clemson, Pitt and Wake), no bueno. Hopefully the scheduling gods spread those game out, so we don't run into a gauntlet at some point in the season.

Stewart Mandel’s too early Top 25 for the 2022 college football season

The way-too-soon Top 25 for the 2022 college football season.

theathletic.com

I expect to be underdogs in 7 or 8 of our games next season.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Your overall point is correct, but the current schedule is a 12-year cycle, not 14. We play Pitt every year, so we rotate through the other 6 Coastal teams times 2 to account for home/away.

I figure the league will stay on the current cockamamie schedule for 2 more years, then, just before we're about to complete the cycle with a home game vs. Miami, pfft, they go to the 3-5-5 model.

If they must keep divisions I wish they would go to rotating pods.

North- SU, BC, Pitt
South- Clemson, NC State, Wake
East- UVA, UNC, Duke
West- Louisville, VA Tech, GA Tech

Atlantic- FSU plus 2 rotating pods
Coastal- Miami plus the other 2 pods

Year 1
A- FSU, SU, BC, Pitt, UVA, UNC, Duke
C- Miami, Clemson, NC State, Wake, Louisville, VA Tech, GA Tech

Year 2
A- FSU, UVA, UNC, Duke, Clemson, NC State, Wake
C- Miami, Louisville, VA Tech, GA Tech, SU, BC, Pitt

Year 3
A- FSU, Clemson, NC State, Wake, SU, BC, Pitt
C- Miami, UVA, UNC, Duke, Louisville, VA Tech, GA Tech

Year 4
A- FSU, Louisville, VA Tech, GA Tech, Clemson, NC State, Wake
C- Miami, UVA, UNC, Duke, SU, BC, Pitt

Year 5
A- FSU, UVA, UNC, Duke, Louisville, VA Tech, GA Tech
C- Miami, SU, BC, Pitt, Clemson, NC State, Wake

Year 6
A- FSU, SU, BC, Pitt, Louisville, VA Tech, GA Tech
C- Miami, UVA, UNC, Duke, Clemson, NC State, Wake

So over 6 seasons you get at least 3 games each (3 games in Florida total) vs FSU/Miami, your pod mates 3 H & 3A, everyone else at least once home and away, plus 2 cross overs per year.

For example...

Year 1/4 crossovers
FSU- Miami, Clemson
SU- Louisville, NC State
BC- Miami, Clemson
Pitt- VA Tech, Louisville
UVA- VA Tech, GA Tech
UNC- NC State, Wake
Duke- GA Tech, Wake

Year 2/6 crossovers
FSU- Miami, Clemson/Louisville
UVA- VA Tech, GA Tech
UNC- Pitt, VA Tech
Duke- GA Tech, BC
Clemson- Miami/FSU, SU
NC State- Pitt, Louisville
Wake- BC, SU

Year 3/5 crossovers
FSU- Miami, Clemson/Louisville
Clemson- Miami/FSU, GA Tech
NC State- UNC, Duke
Wake- Duke, UNC
SU- Louisville, UVA
BC- VA Tech, UVA
Pitt- VA Tech, GA Tech

So that is an extra H & A for these matchups.

SU over 6 seasons would play:

6 games (3H/3A)- Pitt, BC, Louisville
4 games (2H/2A)- NC State, Wake, Clemson, UVA
3 games (2H/2A)- Miami
3 games (1H/2A)- FSU
2 games (1H/1A)- GA Tech, VA Tech, UNC, Duke

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[Scooch]

We probably should have taken advantage of an easy schedule this year.

 

[Hoo's That]

Hoping like hell we have pods in place by the end of 2022. The 3-3-5 pod setup would ensure we play the teams in the other pods every other year, right?

So worst case we would play every other team in the ACC at home at least every 4 years. That would finally make the ACC feel like a real football conference, instead of a weird alliance.

It's a two years on the schedule and then 2 years off rotation.

The announced rotation runs through 2024 I believe. At the very least they will have to take a look at it and consider an adjustment. Curious how Virginia and Virginia Tech ended up in the same division. Would rather see them as crossover rivals so we play one of the schools every year. Would be nice to have at least a little visibility in Virginia like we do in Florida.

VPI ended up in UVa's division because that was supposed to be SU's slot, setting up an annual Blue and Orange game.

Your overall point is correct, but the current schedule is a 12-year cycle, not 14. We play Pitt every year, so we rotate through the other 6 Coastal teams times 2 to account for home/away.

I figure the league will stay on the current cockamamie schedule for 2 more years, then, just before we're about to complete the cycle with a home game vs. Miami, pfft, they go to the 3-5-5 model.

We have to keep divisions under the NCAA rule which allows conferences with 12 or more teams to have a championship game. A special exemption was passed to allow the Big XII to keep its championship game when they dropped to 10. Swofford got snookered on that one. He thought he'd get the votes to allow 3-5-5 if he voted in favor of the Big XII exemption, which was voted on first. The B1G and the SEC got everyone to vote down 3-5-5 because they (still) want the ACC to implode so they can pick over the carcass. The stupidest thing about all this is that the B1G and SEC would benefit from 3-5-5 at least as much and probably more than the ACC would. The way I see Penn State's schedule with Michigan State, Maryland, and Rutgers as their permanent 3, they'd probably get Michigan and Ohio State in separate "5 slates", automatically making their schedule easier.

 

[sutomcat]

It's a two years on the schedule and then 2 years off rotation.

VPI ended up in UVa's division because that was supposed to be SU's slot, setting up an annual Blue and Orange game.

We have to keep divisions under the NCAA rule which allows conferences with 12 or more teams to have a championship game. A special exemption was passed to allow the Big XII to keep its championship game when they dropped to 10. Swofford got snookered on that one. He thought he'd get the votes to allow 3-5-5 if he voted in favor of the Big XII exemption, which was voted on first. The B1G and the SEC got everyone to vote down 3-5-5 because they (still) want the ACC to implode so they can pick over the carcass. The stupidest thing about all this is that the B1G and SEC would benefit from 3-5-5 at least as much and probably more than the ACC would. The way I see Penn State's schedule with Michigan State, Maryland, and Rutgers as their permanent 3, they'd probably get Michigan and Ohio State in separate "5 slates", automatically making their schedule easier.

With Texas and Oklahoma joining the SEC, I think most everyone thinks pods are a done deal.

It is more a question of when than if now.

 

[Hoo's That]

With Texas and Oklahoma joining the SEC, I think most everyone thinks pods are a done deal.

It is more a question of when than if now.

When you hit 16, you have to go to pods. It would work in a way similar to the NFL's schedule. You play the other 3 teams in you pod every year (3 games); each school is assigned a permanent row of schools from the other pods that they play every year (3 games); and they play the 3 other schools from a pod (3 games) for 9 conference games. After a home-and-home, the pods are rotated. For example the first year Pod A plays Pod B as one division, and C plays D for the other. After 2 years, they rotate, and A plays C as one division and B plays D as the other. Two years later it's A vs. D and B vs. C. You get a home-and-home with every team every 6 years. The present championship game rule calls for 2 divisions. It doesn't say they have to be permanent.

 

[Alsacs]

When you hit 16, you have to go to pods. It would work in a way similar to the NFL's schedule. You play the other 3 teams in you pod every year (3 games); each school is assigned a permanent row of schools from the other pods that they play every year (3 games); and they play the 3 other schools from a pod (3 games) for 9 conference games. After a home-and-home, the pods are rotated. For example the first year Pod A plays Pod B as one division, and C plays D for the other. After 2 years, they rotate, and A plays C as one division and B plays D as the other. Two years later it's A vs. D and B vs. C. You get a home-and-home with every team every 6 years. The present championship game rule calls for 2 divisions. It doesn't say they have to be permanent.

I was reading SEC pods would go like this.

3 games within you pod
4 games with another pod.
1 game with the other 2 pods that finished in the same spot in the pod the season before.
9 games.

 

[Hoo's That]

I was reading SEC pods would go like this.

3 games within you pod
4 games with another pod.
1 game with the other 2 pods that finished in the same spot in the pod the season before.
9 games.

Won't even be considered because too many traditional rivalries won't be played. For example, by having permanent line rivalries, the 4 Carolina schools can always play each other. UVa can be in the same pod as UNC and on the same line as VPI, and Ga Tech can be in the same pod as Duke (they've player every year since 1937).

An example with ND joining the conference and not specifying a #16.

Clemson	FSU	Miami	ND
NC State	Duke	Wake	UNC
Louisville	Ga Tech	VPI	UVa
#16	BC	SU	Pitt

This preserves rivalries and gives ND a team that they've played a number of times in the past. To make ND even happier with teams they've played a lot in the past, swap FSU with ND and BC with Pitt. That would give them traditionals Ga Tech and Pitt and academic heavyweight Duke, an idea they'd also probably like. An added bonus it would make the UVa-FSU Jefferson-Eppes trophy game (it's currently in C'ville ) an annual affair.

 

[djorange1989]

We probably should have taken advantage of an easy schedule this year.

yeah, and 2019 says hello about that too

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I was reading SEC pods would go like this.

3 games within you pod
4 games with another pod.
1 game with the other 2 pods that finished in the same spot in the pod the season before.
9 games.

Won't happen due to cross over rivalries.

 

[Alsacs]

Won't even be considered because too many traditional rivalries won't be played. For example, by having permanent line rivalries, the 4 Carolina schools can always play each other. UVa can be in the same pod as UNC and on the same line as VPI, and Ga Tech can be in the same pod as Duke (they've player every year since 1937).

An example with ND joining the conference and not specifying a #16.

Clemson	FSU	Miami	ND
NC State	Duke	Wake	UNC
Louisville	Ga Tech	VPI	UVa
#16	BC	SU	Pitt

This preserves rivalries and gives ND a team that they've played a number of times in the past. To make ND even happier with teams they've played a lot in the past, swap FSU with ND and BC with Pitt. That would give them traditionals Ga Tech and Pitt and academic heavyweight Duke, an idea they'd also probably like. An added bonus it would make the UVa-FSU Jefferson-Eppes trophy game (it's currently in C'ville ) an annual affair.

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I was talking about the SEC model.

They want to get as many good TV games as they could get by using the NFL model.

 

[Alsacs]

Won't happen due to cross over rivalries.

The SEC model would be
Tennessee
Auburn
Alabama
Vanderbilt

Missouri
Oklahoma
Texas
Texas A&M

Floeida
Georgia
South Carolina
Kentucky

Ole Miss
Mississippi State
LSU
Arkansas


No rivalry must play games are lost except Auburn-Georgia.
LSU won’t mind not losing Alabama automatically.

You play 3 games in pod, 4 against another and then 1 game against the 2 other pods based on how you finished the previous years.
1 vs. 1
2 vs. 2
3 vs. 3
4 vs. 4 etc or it could be rotated by computer model.

It would get great TV matchups each year.

 

[Hoo's That]

The SEC model would be
Tennessee
Auburn
Alabama
Vanderbilt

Missouri
Oklahoma
Texas
Texas A&M

Floeida
Georgia
South Carolina
Kentucky

Ole Miss
Mississippi State
LSU
Arkansas


No rivalry must play games are lost except Auburn-Georgia.
LSU won’t mind not losing Alabama automatically.

You play 3 games in pod, 4 against another and then 1 game against the 2 other pods based on how you finished the previous years.
1 vs. 1
2 vs. 2
3 vs. 3
4 vs. 4 etc or it could be rotated by computer model.

It would get great TV matchups each year.

Losing Auburn-Georgia is a monumental problem in the SEC's view. Courtesy of playing each other in the 2017 SEC championship game as well as during the regular season, they are now tied with UVa-UNC for 2nd in most-played D-1A rivalries at 126 games (Minnesota-Wisconsin is #1, so it will never be caught). Preserving the Auburn-Georgia game count was why the SEC invented crossovers in the first place.