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Robinson Cano is designated for assignment.
I think this was what had to be done.
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I think this was what had to be done.
Mets make 'difficult' call to DFA struggling Cano
The New York Mets have designated struggling infielder Robinson Cano for assignment.
even in doing the right thing as a team, hard to think they took 40 million hit.. But I guess if he wasnt gonna play much or produce what does it really matter. whatever they replaced him with is peanuts i guess for the next 2 yrs.
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Robinson Cano is designated for assignment.
I think this was what had to be done.
Mets make 'difficult' call to DFA struggling Cano
The New York Mets have designated struggling infielder Robinson Cano for assignment.
I've heard it will be one pitcher and one position player so that means that the Mets chose Luis Guillorme over Robinson Cano, even though they still have to play Robby $24 million.
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The famous bad trade that acquired Robinson Cano was this:
The Mets traded:
Jay Bruce, who played 47 games for them and produced 41 runs
Jarred Kelenic who has played 114 games and produced 83 runs, (lifetime batting average so far: .175)
Anthony Swarzak who pitched 13.2 innings and gave up 8 earned runs
Gerson Bautista who pitched 9.0 innings and gave up 11 earned runs
Justin Dunn who has pitched 102 2/3 innings and given up 45 earned runs
That's 124 runs produced in 161 games (0.77/game) and 64 earned runs in 125 1/3 innings (ERA: 4.60)
for:
Robinson Cano who played 168 games for them and produced 120 runs (0.71/game) (Hit .265)
Edwin Diaz who has pitched 156 1/3 innings and given up 67 earned runs (ERA: 3.86)
I'd say that's about a wash. The final judgement will be based on what Diaz, Dunn and Kelenic do from now on.
The Mets traded:
Jay Bruce, who played 47 games for them and produced 41 runs
Jarred Kelenic who has played 114 games and produced 83 runs, (lifetime batting average so far: .175)
Anthony Swarzak who pitched 13.2 innings and gave up 8 earned runs
Gerson Bautista who pitched 9.0 innings and gave up 11 earned runs
Justin Dunn who has pitched 102 2/3 innings and given up 45 earned runs
That's 124 runs produced in 161 games (0.77/game) and 64 earned runs in 125 1/3 innings (ERA: 4.60)
for:
Robinson Cano who played 168 games for them and produced 120 runs (0.71/game) (Hit .265)
Edwin Diaz who has pitched 156 1/3 innings and given up 67 earned runs (ERA: 3.86)
I'd say that's about a wash. The final judgement will be based on what Diaz, Dunn and Kelenic do from now on.
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Cano was at best an average player. But you forgot to mention the Mets paid him one of the highest salaries in baseball while he was here. And they still have to pay him $40 million more before he is off the books.
Imagine how much more could have been done with that $90 million (not sure of the exact number but it is around there). It could have been used so much more productively. The Mets took one of the worst contracts in MLB taking Cano on and had to shoulder that burden for 4 years.
Edwin Diaz has been an enormous disappointment. Has any closer blown as many saves as he had since he joined the Mets? I doubt it. The guy has talent but to date, he has been pretty terrible as a Met.
Justin Dunn didn't just fall off the face of the earth. He is now on the Cincinnati Reds. He was a big part of a trade last winter that got the Mariners Eugenio Suarez and Jesse Winker. He strained his shoulder last June and has not pitched since, which had put a hold on a promising start to his career.
Suarez has 196 HRs, 551 RBIs and a .251 lifetime batting average and is 30 years old. He has had over 100 RBI twice so far, made an all star team and hit 49 HRs in another season.
Winker is 28, has 66 HRs and a lifetime batting average of .283. He was an all star last season, when he hit .308 with 24 HRs.
Kelenic was rushed to the big leagues last year and played badly. Hit .181. He continues to struggle, hitting .141 this year. Probably needs to be sent down to AAA for a key months to figure things out. He only has 143 ABs at AAA so far.
Even if he never figures it out (he is 22, there is plenty of time for that), and even if Justin Dunn has his promising career end at the age of 25, just being forced to take on Cano's enormous salary for essentially nothing makes this a bad trade.
If Kelenic and Dunn play even somewhat close to their potential, yes, this will go down as one of if not the worst trade in the history of baseball.
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He's only third! Emilio Pagan has 20, Matt Barnes has 19, and Diaz has 18.
Diaz was awful in year 1, he has been pretty good since then. 2.84 ERA' tied for the most BS in that period though.
So far the trade really hasn't been as bad as I thought it would be, mostly since Kelenic has been awful in the majors. (Diaz hasn't been as good as I expected, all in.) I was very worried Kelenic would turn into a star.
He's only third! Emilio Pagan has 20, Matt Barnes has 19, and Diaz has 18.
Diaz was awful in year 1, he has been pretty good since then. 2.84 ERA' tied for the most BS in that period though.
So far the trade really hasn't been as bad as I thought it would be, mostly since Kelenic has been awful in the majors. (Diaz hasn't been as good as I expected, all in.) I was very worried Kelenic would turn into a star.
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I was looking at Baseball Reference.com and didn't realize Dunn had been traded to the Reds so now it's Just Diaz vs. Kelenic as far as what the players did in uniform for their new team. My money would be on Diaz as the greater contributor over what I've seen of him this year and Kelenic's numbers. Jarred has spent three years in the minors already and should be producing now.
You make two good points, however: The Mets are getting nothing for Kano but the mariners got some good players for, their subsequent transactions. The other is the cash they are eating because of Kano's salary.
But in terms of what these players have done for the Mets and Mariner, it's about even so far. It's not Ryan for Fregosi.
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Further info on 'the trade':
The Mariners traded Jay Bruce for minor league third baseman Jake Scheiner, who is still in the minors. They got $20 million from the Mariners in the deal and didn't have to pay Bruce the $28 million Seattle had to pay Bruce for the two years he was with them. You can apply that to the cost of Cano's salary.
Anthony Swarzak was traded for pitchers Jesse Biddle and Arodys Viscaino. Biddle pitched 11 innings for Seatle and gave up 12 earned runs. Viscaino was stuck in the minors and thus didn't play at all in 2020, then became a free agent and signed...wait for it...with the Mets. He played in Syracuse last year but has since been released.
Gerson Bautista was released by the Mariners, so they got nothing for him.
The point about the Justin Dunn trade to the Reds remains: they traded him for Eugenio Suárez and Jesse Winker, both very substantial players. But could the Mets have forseen the Red's housecleaning and that such players could be obtained for Dunn?
The Mariners traded Jay Bruce for minor league third baseman Jake Scheiner, who is still in the minors. They got $20 million from the Mariners in the deal and didn't have to pay Bruce the $28 million Seattle had to pay Bruce for the two years he was with them. You can apply that to the cost of Cano's salary.
Anthony Swarzak was traded for pitchers Jesse Biddle and Arodys Viscaino. Biddle pitched 11 innings for Seatle and gave up 12 earned runs. Viscaino was stuck in the minors and thus didn't play at all in 2020, then became a free agent and signed...wait for it...with the Mets. He played in Syracuse last year but has since been released.
Gerson Bautista was released by the Mariners, so they got nothing for him.
The point about the Justin Dunn trade to the Reds remains: they traded him for Eugenio Suárez and Jesse Winker, both very substantial players. But could the Mets have forseen the Red's housecleaning and that such players could be obtained for Dunn?
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We got the sweep today: 18-8, baby!
But here's another game tomorrow so this series isn't won yet. Megill will try to win our 8th straight series to open the season.
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Yep one more to go. Want to keep building as much distance against the rest of the division as possible especially Atlanta.
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Solid lead on the Braves right now. Hoping they keep on winning series and build on that lead. I expect the Phillies to hover around .500 most of the year. Marlins will fall back and Nationals are awful. No reason the Mets shouldn’t cruise to the division crown. Then again, they are the Mets. As optimistic as I’ve been since 2015 though.
I think its between the Mets and Braves. I fear the Braves have a 2nd half run in them. The schedule is crazy we will have played the Phillies 13 times by the end of may and won't see the Marlins till mid June.
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The Mets first half schedule is tough but if they are in first at the break, I like their chances. They play the Pirates 7 times in September, plus the Cubs, A’s and a ton of games against the Marlins and Nationals. Might be the easiest last month schedule they have ever had.
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They are all major league teams. I remember trying to beat the Marlins on the last weekend in 2007 and 2008.
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Yep. When the pen is bad.. it's really bad. Even at 18-9 ( likely) after today.
OK I am going to be critical of Buck for the first time. Pitching Ottavino for the 3rd straight time prob not the right move.
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Yep. I'm right there with you. Also I feel like you could see it coming with Megill too. He was done. Waited too long there too.
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As a Braves fan, I'm thrilled to get out of this series with a split. I'm not going to overreact in the first week of May, but I wouldn't be excited about an 8 game deficit. Braves better pick it up because I don't expect the Mets to falter too much.
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Yeah Buck should keep them from falling apart or extended stretches of poor play. That said it's the Mets and it's hard to trust them ever not to mention whether they are a weaker team or not the Braves are defending World Champs for a reason.
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The best bet for help in the bullpen in the farm system is probably Colin Holderman.
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Colin is 6'7. Late bloomer. 26. This is his first year in AAA/
He was always a hard thrower but made some changes to his mechanics over the winter and suddenly started throwing 100 mph pretty consistently.
He was a sensation in spring training, where he wowed scouts with his triple digit fastball and led the Mets in strikeouts.
If you go to a Syracuse Mets game this spring, keep an eye out for him. He might only be here for a couple of months.
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Colin is 6'7. Late bloomer. 26. This is his first year in AAA/
He was always a hard thrower but made some changes to his mechanics over the winter and suddenly started throwing 100 mph pretty consistently.
He was a sensation in spring training, where he wowed scouts with his triple digit fastball and led the Mets in strikeouts.
If you go to a Syracuse Mets game this spring, keep an eye out for him. He might only be here for a couple of months.
