2023-24 Portal Options

[pwong]

If what Red said is true and stays fact, we probably wont get another portal player. I'm shocked tbh that all of the forwards have stayed but I've always heard everyone loves Red and this just proves it.

Think there’s 2 schollys left. We can probably add a more experienced forward (like Zach Hicks) if JT is moving to a guard spot.

I’m concerned that the guard group might still be young (all sophomores) but like the pieces.

 

[orangepassion]

So were the TTO rumors fake news?

 

[hoopsupstate]

Think there’s 2 schollys left. We can probably add a more experienced forward (like Zach Hicks) if JT is moving to a guard spot.

I’m concerned that the guard group might still be young (all sophomores) but like the pieces.

Hicks is a player to watch. I believe he already visited SU. He can really shoot it. I also believe he averaged 5.8 rebounds, which is good for a small forward.

 

[pwong]

So were the TTO rumors fake news?

Justin Moore was rumored to come here but then Nova gave him enough NIL to stay

 

[orangefog]

If what Red said is true and stays fact, we probably wont get another portal player. I'm shocked tbh that all of the forwards have stayed but I've always heard everyone loves Red and this just proves it.

I hope that isn't true. Red needs to bring in talent and then let them fight it out for minutes. I like Bradley and Westry. The only issue is, we are looking at potentially a 4 man 2024 class. If we fill the roster this year, the only guaranteed spot after next year would be Jesse. Judah, if he comes back, obviously would likely enter the NBA draft. The other two spots would have to be transfers or other NBA departures.

 

[cuseguy]

Think there’s 2 schollys left. We can probably add a more experienced forward (like Zach Hicks) if JT is moving to a guard spot.

I’m concerned that the guard group might still be young (all sophomores) but like the pieces.

Would assume that Bell would transfer. Hicks wouldn’t come to sit behind Bell.

 

[SUFaninNJ]

If what Red said is true and stays fact, we probably wont get another portal player. I'm shocked tbh that all of the forwards have stayed but I've always heard everyone loves Red and this just proves it.

You think Red moves forward with 2 unused scholarships? If that were to happen, that's not great roster management right out of the gate, IMO.

 

[DilemaCuse]

Id be surprised if we only add JJ.

We still would have a scholly or 2. I dont know if theres enough returning production to contend for next year.

 

[Orangezoo]

You think Red moves forward with 2 unused scholarships? If that were to happen, that's not great roster management right out of the gate, IMO.

Agree would be a concern considering we likely lose 2 in Jesse/Judah at minimum then if things go great for him JJ could jump plus a transfer out or two. Not to mention Carey and Patterson are deep bench/developmental guys so you would really only have 9 players.

 

[UpstateSM]

If we don’t go after another forward I’m going to assume that we are going three guards more often than not.

If that is the case I would be happy with Westry because he is long, can facilitate and versatile defensively.

 

[DilemaCuse]

Tshebwe hasn't left yet but that doesn't stop UK from pursuing

 

[SUOrangeSU]

You think Red moves forward with 2 unused scholarships? If that were to happen, that's not great roster management right out of the gate, IMO.

I mean I would 100% go get another forward myself but there's just not enough playing time on those two spots. JT is going to stay sf because we saw him being too slow for guard defense + the ball handling is lacking for now. Just don't see it.
If Mintz sticks in the draft, than I know we would nab another guard. Same with Jesse, if Jesse leaves, we'll nab a center
but we have 4.5 forwards on the roster, would you come here if you were one? Because I wouldn't

 

[RF2044]

I mean I would 100% go get another forward myself but there's just not enough playing time on those two spots. JT is going to stay sf because we saw him being too slow for guard defense + the ball handling is lacking for now. Just don't see it.
If Mintz sticks in the draft, than I know we would nab another guard. Same with Jesse, if Jesse leaves, we'll nab a center
but we have 4.5 forwards on the roster, would you come here if you were one? Because I wouldn't

I would if I was an established player. Would any quality player really be scared off by JT or Bell?

 

[tptcuse]

You think Red moves forward with 2 unused scholarships? If that were to happen, that's not great roster management right out of the gate, IMO.

I don’t know how he could justify not adding a forward after the year our forwards just had.

 

[Orangezoo]

I would if I was an established player. Would any quality player really be scared off by JT or Bell?

Plus even if Jesse and Judah stay we have a core 9. Hima is one of those at the 5 and that leaves open space to get joint minutes at the 4/5 ahead of Hima. You can sell the 10th spot given only Jesse/Judah and JJ are clearly ahead of the pack. If we play fast and Red aims to go with a deep bench there is tons of opportunity both for returning guys and a major addition.

Red seems like a bright guy and a major competitor. Being versatile means have many options and he mentioned versatility on day 1.

 

[SUOrangeSU]

I would if I was an established player. Would any quality player really be scared off by JT or Bell?

You're lying to yourself right there. No portal player that is established is going to a potential situation where they have to battle out for time or a log jam. You don't roll those dice. You think Hunter Dickerson is even considering ANY program where he is going to have to battle or even a roll of the dice for the majority of playing time. Stop. Besides, it's not like our program is in some grand standing spotlight right now, we aren't UK, Duke or KU.
You got kids leaving 6 figure NIL opportunities at their current schools because they want to go to a better playing time situation.

 

[CuseMan4]

Ehhhh I think we pursue a player like Westry who isn’t gonna start this year but would be nice off the bench behind JJ and Judah. And can start the year after or so once he develops more. And then I think we go after a forward transfer. I don’t think we are done in the portal yet

 

[Orangezoo]

You're lying to yourself right there. No portal player that is established is going to a potential situation where they have to battle out for time or a log jam. You don't roll those dice. You think Hunter Dickerson is even considering ANY program where he is going to have to battle or even a roll of the dice for the majority of playing time. Stop. Besides, it's not like our program is in some grand standing spotlight right now, we aren't UK, Duke or KU.
You got kids leaving 6 figure NIL opportunities at their current schools because they want to go to a better playing time situation.

UK has Aaron Bradshaw coming in next year, Tshiebwe hasn't declared yet either. Cal plays tough mtm D and would put Dickinson at the 4? Hard to see Bradshaw not starting.

 

[RF2044]

You're lying to yourself right there. No portal player that is established is going to a potential situation where they have to battle out for time or a log jam. You don't roll those dice. You think Hunter Dickerson is even considering ANY program where he is going to have to battle or even a roll of the dice for the majority of playing time. Stop. Besides, it's not like our program is in some grand standing spotlight right now, we aren't UK, Duke or KU.
You got kids leaving 6 figure NIL opportunities at their current schools because they want to go to a better playing time situation.

Nonsense. Hicks [for example] wouldn't be worried about "battling" unestablished guys like Bell or Taylor. He probably wouldn't be deterred by Benny, either, because of his inconsistency.

The truism you're using applies only when a positional unit is already filled with proven commodities. That's why with Jesse returning, Dickenson [for example] wouldn't consider SU going forward, whereas he might have if Jesse had departed. And in all likelihood, it may be difficult to pull additional guards if Judah pulls out of the draft, given the go-forward position that our backcourt is stacked.

But at forward? The path to PT is ripe for the picking.

We as a fanbase tend to overestimate our players, relative to those outside the program. Any starting caliber forward looking at SU isn't going to be scared off by any of our incumbent forwards, because they are all flawed to varying degrees.

Plus, if Red isn't looking to upgrade the talent overall, but at forward in particular, he's taking a big risk.

 

[DilemaCuse]

JJ is a good add but the complacency to just maintain the roster is setting the bar low when there are countless experienced, productive players available.

Were a cumulative 1 game over .500 over the past 2 seasons.

 

[SUOrangeSU]

UK has Aaron Bradshaw coming in next year, Tshiebwe hasn't declared yet either. Cal plays tough mtm D and would put Dickinson at the 4? Hard to see Bradshaw not starting.

Cal just said after their tournament lose that he expected all of his seniors just played their final game at UK which includes Tshiebwe.

 

[Orangezoo]

Cal just said after their tournament lose that he expected all of his seniors just played their final game at UK which includes Tshiebwe.

Fair enough. They brought in a massive class though and Bradshaw is the top big in the country. Direct competition with Dickinson.

 

[SUOrangeSU]

Nonsense. Hicks [for example] wouldn't be worried about "battling" unestablished guys like Bell or Taylor. He probably wouldn't be deterred by Benny, either, because of his inconsistency.

The truism you're using applies only when a positional unit is already filled with proven commodities. That's why with Jesse returning, Dickenson [for example] wouldn't consider SU going forward, whereas he might have if Jesse had departed. And in all likelihood, it may be difficult to pull additional guards if Judah pulls out of the draft, given the go-forward position that our backcourt is stacked.

But at forward? The path to PT is ripe for the picking.

We as a fanbase tend to overestimate our players, relative to those outside the program. Any starting caliber forward looking at SU isn't going to be scared off by any of our incumbent forwards, because they are all flawed to varying degrees.

Plus, if Red isn't looking to upgrade the talent overall, but at forward in particular, he's taking a big risk.

Just watch. I hope I'm wrong, like desperately want to be wrong. I would love to upgrade one of those forwards spots DESPERATELY but all of these forwards did stay for a reason. Obviously, Red being there hits different than JB. Also, one or more will take a leap so there's a part of me that isn't too overly concerned about the lack of talent

 

[DilemaCuse]

Nonsense. Hicks [for example] wouldn't be worried about "battling" unestablished guys like Bell or Taylor. He probably wouldn't be deterred by Benny, either, because of his inconsistency.

The truism you're using applies only when a positional unit is already filled with proven commodities. That's why with Jesse returning, Dickenson [for example] wouldn't consider SU going forward, whereas he might have if Jesse had departed. And in all likelihood, it may be difficult to pull additional guards if Judah pulls out of the draft, given the go-forward position that our backcourt is stacked.

But at forward? The path to PT is ripe for the picking.

We as a fanbase tend to overestimate our players, relative to those outside the program. Any starting caliber forward looking at SU isn't going to be scared off by any of our incumbent forwards, because they are all flawed to varying degrees.

This is spot on and I think the highlighted part may apply to our staff. I guess I'm disappointed in the lack of pursuing players they didnt previously recruit. Like you are allowed to pursue guys you never previously knew if you wanted to.

 

[OrangeXtreme]