$60m 4year bowl ban

[rrlbees]

Yeah not surprising, I honestly dont believe the death penalty was ever really on the table, no way the NCAA was going down that path. Looks like PSU is about to have the best walk on program in the country for the next four years.

This is worse than the death penalty, which was likely going to be 1 year. This will set PedSt back 5-10 years. Already one of their recruits said something about wanting to go to bowl games. No bowl at a PedSt type program for 4 years ans 65 scholie players is tough.

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[JeremyCuse]

This is worse than the death penalty, which was likely going to be 1 year. This will set PedSt back 5-10 years. Already one of their recruits said something about wanting to go to bowl games. No bowl at a PedSt type program for 4 years ans 65 scholie players is tough.

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Its not worse then the death penalty, the death penalty effectively kills a program and based on the one time it was used the school never recovered. No bowl will hurt but its not shutting down the program there will still be a season with home games and TV for away games. Nothing is worse then the death penalty.

 

[Orangepace]

Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves.. Isn't USC currently weathering a similar storm? Not the exact same, but similar. The major difference is 1 additional year of reduced schollies and $60MM price tag. That price tag will be less impactful that it was meant to serve with a significant influx of donations in order to get that behind them. I just don't think this will have as much an impact as most, purely from watching the USC situation play out.

Edit: Sorry JeremyCuse, meant to quote Bees.

 

[rrlbees]

One of their commits just now announced he ia decommitting. Douglas who is a DB. Would not be surprised if most of their recruits decommit.

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[NKR1978]

At first I thought the vacated wins was a hollow act, but that is the only way they can hurt Paterno (and his insane/delusional/clueless family) along with the worshipers who measure their self value by joepa's accomplishments.

This is pretty damaging. As we've seen with Doug, it isn't easy to get to a full complement of players when you lose scholarship athletes. The bowl ban is not long enough. Hopefully the B1G will ad on to that, otherwise I'm pleasantly surprised with Mark Emmert's leadership in this instance.

 

[GoSU96]

This is worse than the death penalty, which was likely going to be 1 year. This will set PedSt back 5-10 years. Already one of their recruits said something about wanting to go to bowl games. No bowl at a PedSt type program for 4 years ans 65 scholie players is tough.

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The next 5 classes know for a fact that they have little to no chance of ever playing in a bowl game.

That will obviously extend to the B10 championship game, not that they would have much chance of getting there as well will the reduced roster.

 

[JoeCollege]

One of their commits just now announced he ia decommitting. Douglas who is a DB. Would not be surprised if most of their recruits decommit.

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He announced that a couple of days ago. It was on the ESPN crawl yesterday and on these boards last week sometime.

 

[ConnectiCuse]

I just read this on sports center "Penn State must also reduce 10 initial and 20 total scholarships each year for a four-year period, the release said." 10 Initial and 20 total EACH year. Unless I am reading that wrong, wouldn't this imply going to 5 schollies a year?
http://espn.go.com/college-football...million-fine-4-year-bowl-ban-wins-dating-1998

This is what I have read on several reports as well.

 

[rrlbees]

Its not worse then the death penalty, the death penalty effectively kills a program and based on the one time it was used the school never recovered. No bowl will hurt but its not shutting down the program there will still be a season with home games and TV for away games. Nothing is worse then the death penalty.

This will have a much longer impact. PedSt is not Smu and shutting down the program for a year would not have the same impact.

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[Bornorange]

bobby bowden doing back flips.

I thought he was still hunting down 'Peggy" from his credit card company.

 

[Stevenson]

shocked there is no TV ban. slap on the wrist. The $60 million is nothing, few will transfer, and the four year ban will go by fast. Penn State got off easy

 

[Whitey23]

“@John_Infante: NCAA releases says the NCAA is considering waiving scholarship limit for schools that accept PSU transfers.” WHOA

DOUG!!!!

 

[money3189]

Doug marrone and staff should be on their phones now. Lets bring in some transfers that can help the team

 

[elimunelson]

shocked there is no TV ban. slap on the wrist. The $60 million is nothing, few will transfer, and the four year ban will go by fast. Penn State got off easy

Watch the Big 10 do that. they control the TV contract no? I think they are sanctioning today as well.

You can't compare SMU to this situation. Penn St is institutionalized within all of those living in PA. SMU was fly by night in Dallas TX (where there are 100s of other things to do). The death penalty in of itself wouldn't have killed off Penn St.

This is worse IMO b/c it's a lengthy jail sentence. This will hurt more and more over time as they rot at the bottom of the Big 10. When it's over, hopefully they become an Indiana University like presence in football.

 

[rrlbees]

He announced that a couple of days ago. It was on the ESPN crawl yesterday and on these boards last week sometime.

Sorry. Just saw it on twitter. Guess they are slow.

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[JoeCollege]

ESPN has him committed to UNC. FWIW, I don't see any players of impact transferring.

 

[bnoro]

I just read this on sports center "Penn State must also reduce 10 initial and 20 total scholarships each year for a four-year period, the release said." 10 Initial and 20 total EACH year. Unless I am reading that wrong, wouldn't this imply going to 5 schollies a year?
http://espn.go.com/college-football...million-fine-4-year-bowl-ban-wins-dating-1998

No. 10 initial means they can only offer 15 scholies to new recruits each season.
25 (limit on incoming recruits) - 10 (initial scholarships)

20 total means at most they can have 65 kids on scholarship at one time.
85 (limit on scholarships) - 20 (total scholarships)

 

[Bortukal]

“@John_Infante: NCAA releases says the NCAA is considering waiving scholarship limit for schools that accept PSU transfers.” WHOA

DOUG!!!!

...provided they reduce scholarships proportionately the next year.

There's no such thing as a free lunch.

Here's the NCAA release regarding PSU transfers.

 

[Symphony Steve]

This is really a tough set of penalties. Can you imagine how it will eat at all of the Mindless Minions that Paterno is no longer the winningest coach in college history?

The handing-out of 15 scholies only means that with transfers, etc., the number if scholarship players will quite possibly be LESS than 65. With injuries, you simply can't field a competitive team at that level with that number. Especially when not even a minor bowl appearance is in the offing. And it's not as if the NitWits generally draw from the 'pay-to-play' thugocracy so prominent in the south and on the west coast.

Penn State is not USC. USC, along with those $EC programs, are rogue programs. The U$C sanctions were probably viewed as merely the cost of doing business. If there was even an iota of introspection on the part of USC, I must've missed it. They didn't hire Kiffin b/c of his history of integrity. Which, ironically, means that it will be much tougher for Ped State to recover than the traditional football rogue programs.

In fact, as much as I support the tough sanctions, I find it more than a little disingenuous that the NCAA is making State Pen into an example of their intent to regain control of college sports from unlawful programs.

Make no mistake. Penn State fully deserved this. But this does nothing to 'change the athletic culture' at rogue institutions all over the country. Does enable the NCAA to cover their asses, though...

 

[Rocco]

If the transfers don't count towards scholly totals, there will be some seriously $hady business going on.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

...provided they reduce scholarships proportionately the next year.

There's no such thing as a free lunch.

Here's the NCAA release regarding PSU transfers.

Additionally, the NCAA is considering waiving scholarship limits for programs to which these football student-athletes transfer, provided they reduce proportionately in the next year. For example, the limit is 25 new scholarships per year to a total of 85 scholarships. If the limits are waived in 2012-13 to accommodate one Penn State student-athlete who wishes to transfer to a particular school already at the limits, in 2013-14 the school will be limited to 24 new scholarships and 84 total scholarships.

Good thing SU still has room at the Inn for 2012-13.

 

[JeremyCuse]

If the transfers don't count towards scholly totals, there will be some seriously $hady business going on.

Exactly, things are going to get ugly with schools trying to poach whoever they can, its going to be like an auction.

 

[ConnectiCuse]

One of their commits just now announced he ia decommitting. Douglas who is a DB. Would not be surprised if most of their recruits decommit.

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I read a report that Greg Webb has changed his mind and will commit to UNC.

 

[Whitey23]

...provided they reduce scholarships proportionately the next year.

There's no such thing as a free lunch.

Here's the NCAA release regarding PSU transfers.

Booo. Quotes taken out of context are so much funner.

 

[Bortukal]

I don't understand the scholarship situation totally. It sounds like there are now 15 Ped St. football players without a scholarship for this coming season. Is that correct?