$60m 4year bowl ban

[kingottoiii]

This just means that the next 6 years they will be the calibre of Minn.

 

[rrlbees]

He announced that a couple of days ago. It was on the ESPN crawl yesterday and on these boards last week sometime.

Wasn't that Webb?

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[GoSU96]

No. 10 initial means they can only offer 15 scholies to new recruits each season.
25 (limit on incoming recruits) - 10 (initial scholarships)

20 total means at most they can have 65 kids on scholarship at one time.
85 (limit on scholarships) - 20 (total scholarships)

They have to be down to 75 this year and are limited to 15 this year. They have 12 commits at this time. There are a bunch of high profile players and I don't see them wanting to spend four years in the middle of nowhere with nothing to play for but the regular season, and with one hand behind their backs in terms of numbers.

Kids that have a future in the NFL don't want to put that much wear on the tread.

 

[GoSU96]

I don't understand the scholarship situation totally. It sounds like there are now 15 Ped St. football players without a scholarship for this coming season. Is that correct?

They can't take scholarships away from anyone who wants to stay. What they can't do is sign new grants that put them over 75.

 

[JeremyCuse]

They can't take scholarships away from anyone who wants to stay. What they can't do is sign new grants that put them over 75.

Yup, I wouldnt be shocked to see them ramp up there walk on program big time. Between financial aid and so called 'scholarships' they can probably give out defacto sholarships.

 

[billsin01]

Plus...he just basically said that the 60million fine can be paid in any way they choose...meaning they can have their alumni pay it off.

I get what you're saying, but the money in a program like this never goes away. If people with mounds of cash still feel they should use that money to support a football team, there's not much the NCAA can do about that. I suppose they could levy like a $300M fine or something, but I'm not sure how much authority they really have to do that kind of thing. And even then, those rich donors are still around.

 

[JoeCollege]

Yup, I wouldnt be shocked to see them ramp up there walk on program big time. Between financial aid and so called 'scholarships' they can probably give out defacto sholarships.

Bingo. "Hi, Mr. & Mrs. Parent of an All-American. I hear Johnny wants to walk on at Penn State. Well, here in town, we have the My Name Scholarship for kids from this area with a background in sports and being swell who happen to go to Penn State. Since he's not a scholarship athlete, Johnny qualifies! Also, I can gift anyone I choose to with up to $13,000 that they don't have to report to the IRS. Go State!"

 

[orange79]

I get what you're saying, but the money in a program like this never goes away. If people with mounds of cash still feel they should use that money to support a football team, there's not much the NCAA can do about that. I suppose they could levy like a $300M fine or something, but I'm not sure how much authority they really have to do that kind of thing. And even then, those rich donors are still around.

But then again, that's $60M of donations that can't/won't go towards facilities and whatever else PSU would normally spend the donations on.

 

[texascpa]

Hell, there are years that PSU and many other colleges can only hand out 15 schollies due to current roster numbers. Don't see this as much of an issue. Yeah, they may only have 60 schollie players on their in 3-4 years, but hell even we had that a few years ago and didn't have any sanctions on us.

 

[GoSU96]

Yup, I wouldnt be shocked to see them ramp up there walk on program big time. Between financial aid and so called 'scholarships' they can probably give out defacto sholarships.

The consent decree requires a ton of external monitoring of the program. They aren't going to be able to do that.

 

[texascpa]

The other issue I have is that in one report PSU generates roughly $50M in INCOME annually from the football program. Essentially, this penalty is one year's worth of income.

 

[NKR1978]

Bingo. "Hi, Mr. & Mrs. Parent of an All-American. I hear Johnny wants to walk on at Penn State. Well, here in town, we have the My Name Scholarship for kids from this area with a background in sports and being swell who happen to go to Penn State. Since he's not a scholarship athlete, Johnny qualifies! Also, I can gift anyone I choose to with up to $13,000 that they don't have to report to the IRS. Go State!"

I imagine the NCAA would frown upon that, and given their probation they would be a repeat offender and up for the actual death penalty.

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[JeremyCuse]

The consent decree requires a ton of external monitoring of the program. They aren't going to be able to do that.

Theres nothing the NCAA can do about it, PSU can give out as much financial aid / academic scholarships as they want to someone. There not going to be able to get any good recruits this way but they can bring in a handful of decent/marginal players this way who may have had MAC/Sun Belt offers or maybe even some BE offers. Plus there staff will now mine PA for under the radar kids who will be thrilled to just attend Penn State less walk on.

 

[jekelish]

So I just saw this tweeted, but ironically, Mike McQueary was the quarterback for Joe Paterno's last official win.

 

[OrangePA]

Sounded like 15 can be offered per year, total 65.

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I'm still not sure I understand the scholarship reduction.

 

[Cuseregular]

I predict less than 15 players will transfer. All who do will be career backups who might have been less than happy anyway.

Team will schedule late fall games in Miami, San Diego, UNLV for the next few years as a replacement.

Other than the bowl games and loss of a little less than one year's revenue, life will go on for Ninny Lion fans.

Life may go on Joe but it certainly wont be normal life. These very real cuts and fines will limit their on field success significantly and with no bowl to shoot for etc., knowing all this and with what went on there, can you imagine how morose it will be in Beaver stadium (this after the first game obligatory pseudo enthusiasm they'll all show to demonstrate their loyalty).

Then it's lights out for four years. I can't wait to see it.

 

[Bortukal]

I'm still not sure I understand the scholarship reduction.

Same here. Things always go sideways for me when numbers get involved.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

I'm still not sure I understand the scholarship reduction.

Teams are limited to 85 scholarship players a season. PSU will be reduced to 65.

Teams can only bring in a max of 25 players in each recruiting class. PSU will be limited to 15 in the next 4 classes.

 

[GoSU96]

Theres nothing the NCAA can do about it, PSU can give out as much financial aid / academic scholarships as they want to someone. There not going to be able to get any good recruits this way but they can bring in a handful of decent/marginal players this way who may have had MAC/Sun Belt offers or maybe even some BE offers. Plus there staff will now mine PA for under the radar kids who will be thrilled to just attend Penn State less walk on.

PSU will have to distribute non athletic grants in aid under the same provisions that it does for anyone at the school. This will be HEAVILY scrutinized. And they are now under 5 years of probation. They aren't going to do anything that is marginally questionable.

 

[rrlbees]

I'm still not sure I understand the scholarship reduction.

1st year (2013) 15 scholies can be given, team total of 75
2nd year (2014) 15 scholies can be given, team total of 65
3rd year (2015) 15 scholies can be given, team total of 65
4th year (2016) 15 scholies can be given, team total of 65
5th year (2017) 25 scholies can be given, team total of 85

 

[JeremyCuse]

PSU will have to distribute non athletic grants in aid under the same provisions that it does for anyone at the school. This will be HEAVILY scrutinized. And they are now under 5 years of probation. They aren't going to do anything that is marginally questionable.

Private scholarships can also come into play and with PSU being a state school I am not sure the tuition is that much anyway. With the money PSU has and will get from donors now that the us against the world mantra will be in full play will be enough to spread out the wealth to make it seem like everyones getting a share. They will find away to work around it just like Miami did in the 90's.

 

[jcuse44]

People seem to forget that the same exact loss of scholarships did not hurt USC much at all. Very few players left and they were still getting top recruits because of donor money. We will see much of the same here. Few players will transfer, and they will still get recruits, and when they run out of football scholarships the school will find a way around that by passing the players for academic scholarships. This is a slap on the wrist, nothing more. Pathetic.

 

[GoSU96]

Private scholarships can also come into play and with PSU being a state school I am not sure the tuition is that much anyway. With the money PSU has and will get from donors now that the us against the world mantra will be in full play will be enough to spread out the wealth to make it seem like everyones getting a share. They will find away to work around it just like Miami did in the 90's.

If the NCAA determines, in its sole discretion, that the university materially breached any provision of the AIA, such action shall be considered grounds for extending the term of the AIA or imposing additional sanctions, up to and including a temporary ban on participation in certain intercollegiate athletic competition and additional fines. The NCAA shall be permitted to accept as true and take into consideration all factual findings of the Freeh Report in imposing additional sanctions related to breach of the AIA and may initiate further NCA investigative and administrative proceedings. The NCAA will provide the university notice of the allegation of a material breach and an opportunity to respond, but the final determination rests with the NCAA.
Appointment of an independent Athletics Integrity Monitor for a five-year period. The NCAA requires that the university appoint an independent Athletics Integrity Monitor for a five-year period, at the university's expense. The monitor will prepare a quarterly report to the university's board of trustees, the Big Ten Conference, and the NCAA regarding the university's execution and maintenance of the provisions of the AIA. The monitor will make recommendations to the university to take any steps he or she reasonably believes are necessary to comply with the terms of the AIA and to enhance compliance with NCAA rules and regulations. The Monitor will operate under the following conditions:

• He or she will be selected by the NCAA, in consultation with the university and the Big Ten Conference.
• He or she will have access to any university facilities, personnel and non-privileged documents and records as are reasonably necessary to assist in the execution of his or her duties. The university shall preserve all such records as directed by the monitor.
• He or she will have the authority to employ legal counsel, consultants, investigators, experts and other personnel reasonably necessary to assit in the proper discharge of his or her duties. His or her expenses will be paid by the university, and the university shall indemnify and hold harmless the monitor and his or her professional advisors from any claim by any third party except for conduct: a) outside the scope of the monitor's duties; b) undertaken in bad faith; or c) constituting gross negligence or willful misconduct

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Anything that hints of them trying to get around scholarship limits could bring down the death penalty on top of what they have now. The school is going to make sure that if kids are walking on that there is zero outside aid other than what is available to any other incoming student.

 

[OrangePA]

1st year (2013) 15 scholies can be given, team total of 75
2nd year (2014) 15 scholies can be given, team total of 65
3rd year (2015) 15 scholies can be given, team total of 65
4th year (2016) 15 scholies can be given, team total of 65
5th year (2017) 25 scholies can be given, team total of 85

Got it.

I'm not sure the reduction will be all that devastating.

Again, the 10 scholarship reduction did not hurt USC all that much.

Heck, we played with 65 scholarship athletes in 2009 didn't we?

 

[JeremyCuse]

If the NCAA determines, in its sole discretion, that the university materially breached any provision of the AIA, such action shall be considered grounds for extending the term of the AIA or imposing additional sanctions, up to and including a temporary ban on participation in certain intercollegiate athletic competition and additional fines. The NCAA shall be permitted to accept as true and take into consideration all factual findings of the Freeh Report in imposing additional sanctions related to breach of the AIA and may initiate further NCA investigative and administrative proceedings. The NCAA will provide the university notice of the allegation of a material breach and an opportunity to respond, but the final determination rests with the NCAA.
Appointment of an independent Athletics Integrity Monitor for a five-year period. The NCAA requires that the university appoint an independent Athletics Integrity Monitor for a five-year period, at the university's expense. The monitor will prepare a quarterly report to the university's board of trustees, the Big Ten Conference, and the NCAA regarding the university's execution and maintenance of the provisions of the AIA. The monitor will make recommendations to the university to take any steps he or she reasonably believes are necessary to comply with the terms of the AIA and to enhance compliance with NCAA rules and regulations. The Monitor will operate under the following conditions:

• He or she will be selected by the NCAA, in consultation with the university and the Big Ten Conference.
• He or she will have access to any university facilities, personnel and non-privileged documents and records as are reasonably necessary to assist in the execution of his or her duties. The university shall preserve all such records as directed by the monitor.
• He or she will have the authority to employ legal counsel, consultants, investigators, experts and other personnel reasonably necessary to assit in the proper discharge of his or her duties. His or her expenses will be paid by the university, and the university shall indemnify and hold harmless the monitor and his or her professional advisors from any claim by any third party except for conduct: a) outside the scope of the monitor's duties; b) undertaken in bad faith; or c) constituting gross negligence or willful misconduct

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Anything that hints of them trying to get around scholarship limits could bring down the death penalty on top of what they have now. The school is going to make sure that if kids are walking on that there is zero outside aid other than what is available to any other incoming student.

Again PSU can simply begin increasing the amount of financial aid across the board or work with kids allready on scholarship to agree to walk on so they can bring in additional kids on scholarship. The NCAA can put whatever they want in writing but theres always a way around the issue and PSU will find away and then the NCAA will close that loophole like they did with Miami. Also as someone else mentioned earlier whats to stop certain PSU boosters from paying kids tuition who walk on? All im trying to say is that PSU is going to ratchet up there walk on program and get some half decent players on the field.