$60m 4year bowl ban

[007]

PSU will have to distribute non athletic grants in aid under the same provisions that it does for anyone at the school. This will be HEAVILY scrutinized. And they are now under 5 years of probation. They aren't going to do anything that is marginally questionable.

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This a part of the more "subtle" ramifications of the sanctions that are being underestimated by those who feel this is little more than a slap on the wrist. The school is being mandated to change the "culture" surrounding the football program and will be, as Go suggested, heavily monitored for 5 years by the NCAA.

The fact that PSU signed off on all sanctions suggests to me that the current administration is serious about regaining some sense of integrity; to lead now by example.

Football will never be quite the same at Penn St.

 

[rrlbees]

Got it.

I'm not sure the reduction will be all that devastating.

Again, the 10 scholarship reduction did not hurt USC all that much.

Heck, we played with 65 scholarship athletes in 2009 didn't we?

Whee it will hurt them is with national recruits the next several years. Kids are already decommitting.

 

[billsin01]

People seem to forget that the same exact loss of scholarships did not hurt USC much at all. Very few players left and they were still getting top recruits because of donor money. We will see much of the same here. Few players will transfer, and they will still get recruits, and when they run out of football scholarships the school will find a way around that by passing the players for academic scholarships. This is a slap on the wrist, nothing more. Pathetic.

I suppose you could paint it that way but I think what you're really talking about here, IMO, is a program that is hard to actually punish in any meaningful way. Let's say they get the death penalty -- those donors don't go away, those kids whose parents LOVE PedSt more than live itself don't go away. Assuming they remain in the Big 10, they still have a sick TV deal and plenty of money rolling in going forward.

I suppose if they shut the entire thing down for five years, maybe, but I'm not sure how much authority they would have to impose a penalty that harsh.

The two things I think shouldn't be undersold, however, are these:

1) Numbers are extremely important in football. those scholly restrictions absolutely reduce the margin of error for school like pedst. if they still get 15 blue chippers a year, yeah, they'll be fine. But injuries, grades, transfers, busts -- those get much more meaningful when you can't bring in 25 kids the next year. You've seen our special teams the last few years, right?

2) Don't forget all the internal changes that could occur. The Board and others who, let's face it, were probably hungry for more power regardless, could view this as a chance to teach the football program a lesson. It could get very interesting when the internal sanctions/changes take place. Problems with admissions are no joke. (edit: 007 makes this point in much more convincing fashion two posts above).

 

[orange79]

So I just saw this tweeted, but ironically, Mike McQueary was the quarterback for Joe Paterno's last official win.

Wow. I don't know what to call that - karma, serendipity, coincidence - but in a weird way, I like that.

 

[BlackKnight76]

@slmandel​

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Big Ten: Penn State will be ineligible to receive its share of conference bowl revenue for 4 yrs. Est. $13 million.​

 

[texascpa]

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@slmandel​

Big Ten: Penn State will be ineligible to receive its share of conference bowl revenue for 4 yrs. Est. $13 million.​

Apparently their share will be donate to child abuse prevention causes.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Got it.

I'm not sure the reduction will be all that devastating.

Again, the 10 scholarship reduction did not hurt USC all that much.

Heck, we played with 65 scholarship athletes in 2009 didn't we?

65 healthy ones. But we started with over 75.

 

[ForCuseSake]

IMO, a TV ban for the same length (4 years) would give the NCAA sanctions more oomph and exponentially increase the destruction of PSU football. I doubt it'll happen; the B1G won't risk losing viewership in Pennsyltucky and harming the BTN.

Garnishing the TV/bowl revenue is nice and all but it doesn't accomplish the NCAA's goal of changing the culture. If anything, the massive $$ amounts of fines only reinforce the importance of the football program. The best way to de-emphasize football is to make the program invisible.

EDIT - just saw the B1G decision not to impose a TV ban (and the other thread discussing it). It all just became a giant slap on the wrist.

 

[Jake]

These santions are NOT a slap on the wris, and they won't be easily circumvented. The NCAA is essentially setting up a satellite office inside the PSU athletic Department. I think some wanted to see people hung from the gallows at high noon.

 

[oldpinepoint]

We are the first game for Penn State in 2013, when much of these sanctions will really hit home. Will make that game interesting to watch.

 

[ForCuseSake]

These santions are NOT a slap on the wris, and they won't be easily circumvented. The NCAA is essentially setting up a satellite office inside the PSU athletic Department. I think some wanted to see people hung from the gallows at high noon.

It's not a matter of making sure the sanctions can't be circumvented; I'm sure the NCAA's satellite office will monitor compliance appropriately. The sanctions are a slap on the wrist because they do little to re-calibrate the culture (as stated by the NCAA).

I wasn't looking for public lynchings; just a tv ban to match their loss of revenue, postseason ban and reduced scholarships.

 

[Jake]

It's not a matter of making sure the sanctions can't be circumvented; I'm sure the NCAA's satellite office will monitor compliance appropriately. The sanctions are a slap on the wrist because they do little to re-calibrate the culture (as stated by the NCAA).

I wasn't looking for public lynchings; just a tv ban to match their loss of revenue, postseason ban and reduced scholarships.

My guess is the TV ban would adversly affect the rest of the Big Ten and other schools (like SU) who couldn't have those respective games telelvised. But make no mistake about it, the NCAA HAMMERED PSU back to the dark ages. Fred Flinstone is going to be their next Head Coach.

 

[javadoc]

My guess is the TV ban would adversly affect the rest of the Big Ten and other schools (like SU) who couldn't have those respective games telelvised. But make no mistake about it, the NCAA HAMMERED PSU back to the dark ages. Fred Flinstone is going to be their next Head Coach.

Agree. I've been saying that IMO they deserved severe penalties, but didn't expect anything like this actually to happen.

When you drop down to 65 schollies, the players get beat to hell. Any injuries in the upper classes and you start putting kids out there who aren't physically ready, and they tend to get injured. They may field decent skill guys, but they could have real problem with the OL once you scale a roster down to 65 guys.

And the vacating of Paterno's wins is great. People will reveal a lot about themselves in the years to come if they try to argue against that, explain away the asterisk, etc.

 

[007]

It's not a matter of making sure the sanctions can't be circumvented; I'm sure the NCAA's satellite office will monitor compliance appropriately. The sanctions are a slap on the wrist because they do little to re-calibrate the culture (as stated by the NCAA).

I wasn't looking for public lynchings; just a tv ban to match their loss of revenue, postseason ban and reduced scholarships.

The NCAA sanctions, including the $60 million fine, the post season ban, the immediate eligibility allowance for players to transfer, 5 years of probation, the loss of B1G bowl revenue, et. al. will effectively eliminate the football program as a "cash cow" for PSU over the next 4 years.

With that loss of revenue and power, the tail will no longer be able to wag the dog at PSU.

The civil lawsuits are yet to come. Those payouts will be crippling.

The administration readily accepted the NCAA sanctions and gave up the right to appeal. They realize how horrific the Sandusky events are, both to the victims and the integrity and value ($$$) of the PSU brand.

To me, they are looking to seize the moment, rein in the power of the football program, and attempt to restore their reputation.

That's more than a slap.

Football will never be quite the same at PSU...

 

[orange79]

The administration readily accepted the NCAA sanctions and gave up the right to appeal. They realize how horrific the Sandusky events are, both to the victims and the integrity and value ($$$) of the PSU brand.

I guess that's true, but I also think the decision not to appeal has a lot to do with playing nice with the NCAA - and not pi$$ing them off further.

 

[texascpa]

The NCAA sanctions, including the $60 million fine, the post season ban, the immediate eligibility allowance for players to transfer, 5 years of probation, the loss of B1G bowl revenue, et. al. will effectively eliminate the football program as a "cash cow" for PSU over the next 4 years.

With that loss of revenue and power, the tail will no longer be able to wag the dog at PSU.

The civil lawsuits are yet to come. Those payouts will be crippling.

The administration readily accepted the NCAA sanctions and gave up the right to appeal. They realize how horrific the Sandusky events are, both to the victims and the integrity and value ($$$) of the PSU brand.

To me, they are looking to seize the moment, rein in the power of the football program, and attempt to restore their reputation.

That's more than a slap.

Football will never be quite the same at PSU...

you may be right and from what I've read PSU's new President (Erickson) has already commented about more focus on acedemics over athletics. This was prior to the penalties. PSU fans were not happy to hear that.

 

[ForCuseSake]

The NCAA sanctions, including the $60 million fine, the post season ban, the immediate eligibility allowance for players to transfer, 5 years of probation, the loss of B1G bowl revenue, et. al. will effectively eliminate the football program as a "cash cow" for PSU over the next 4 years.

With that loss of revenue and power, the tail will no longer be able to wag the dog at PSU.

The civil lawsuits are yet to come. Those payouts will be crippling.

The administration readily accepted the NCAA sanctions and gave up the right to appeal. They realize how horrific the Sandusky events are, both to the victims and the integrity and value ($$$) of the PSU brand.

To me, they are looking to seize the moment, rein in the power of the football program, and attempt to restore their reputation.

That's more than a slap.

Football will never be quite the same at PSU...

Ok, I admit - it's more than a slap on the wrist. I hope you're right about the PSU administration seizing the moment to rein in the football program and restore their rep. I have a hard time seeing success for the administration given the alumni loyalty to the football program. We shall see.

 

[007]

I guess that's true, but I also think the decision not to appeal has a lot to do with playing nice with the NCAA - and not pi$$ing them off further.

It's so much more than "playing nice."

The entire Sandusky affair is an absolute nightmare and an absolute embarrassment to the leadership at PSU, from the BOT on down.

The NCAA sanctions are only one component of what they are faced with at PSU. The sign off on those sanctions and right to appeal sends a loud and clear message to the football program.

 

[MikeSU02]

Ok, I admit - it's more than a slap on the wrist. I hope you're right about the PSU administration seizing the moment to rein in the football program and restore their rep. I have a hard time seeing success for the administration given the alumni loyalty to the football program. We shall see.

Also think about this, if you are a player or a recruit, not only have you been front and center for all the turmoil to date, played your role showing solidarity when there may have been more discontent than what was communicated to the media and now these sanctions hit AND this morning you just received calls from outside coaches at other BCS programs, you are going to think long and hard about staying committed to PSU.

The PSU coaches not only are faced with the future sanctions, but they are now having to re-recruit players that are currently on the roster to convince them to stay.

 

[Whitey23]

@erick_smith
Penn State board of trustees member to USA TODAY's@jonnysaraceno: School 'rolled over and played dead' to NCAA

 

[orange79]

It's so much more than "playing nice."

That's why i said 'also'. I know it's much bigger than that. All I was saying was not to think that the entire reason for giving up on appeals was because they realized the horror of what went on.

 

[007]

That's why i said 'also'. I know it's much bigger than that. All I was saying was not to think that the entire reason for giving up on appeals was because they realized the horror of what went on.

no problem, orange79

 

[Scooch]

@erick_smith
Penn State board of trustees member to USA TODAY's@jonnysaraceno: School 'rolled over and played dead' to NCAA

Penn State should have imposed these kinds of penalties on itself.

 

[Orangello]

@erick_smith
Penn State board of trustees member to USA TODAY's@jonnysaraceno: School 'rolled over and played dead' to NCAA

Because it's going to look even worse when more facts come out down the road about who knew what when.

 

[rrlbees]

I guess that's true, but I also think the decision not to appeal has a lot to do with playing nice with the NCAA - and not pi$$ing them off further.

There are some very smart PedSt fans/alum who think they caved because there is much more than anyone even knows right now. Fortunately, the NCAA also said that after the criminal investigation is completed, they will revisit this and may apply even more santions.

40 years of molestation is a long time. 40 years of molestation is a lot of kids, many more than anyone even knows about. 40 years of a PedSt coverup AND a Joe Paterno cover-up is a long time and a lot of kids that could have been spared. My god, in 2004 Sandusky took a young boy to the PedSt bowl game and raped him in the TEAM hotel. Was there not one single member of the PedSt traveling party that said..."Jerry, why the fluck do you have a 10 yeard old with you"?