ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[Trueblue25]

Do people in Dallas actually give a crap about SMU football though? Dallas is a pro town. The Cowboys rule everything in that area. Yes I know - the ACCN would be added to cable/streaming packages in the area leading to additional subscription dollars. But if nobody in the area actually watches the network, what value is it actually bringing? Asking honestly, because this whole process is still so confusing.

Yes. And people that are billionaires give a crap.

 

[Trueblue25]

The Big has won one national championship in the two major sports in the last two plus decades ffs.

Lol my favorite thing to remind people. I mean come on

 

[kcsu]

If we add SMU can we bring Martin and Gilbert Back

 

[Trueblue25]

If we add SMU can we bring Martin and Gilbert Back

Gilbert hardly belongs on a p5 staff imo

 

[Consigliere]

Of course it is. It's about having enough money to compete.

Finally, the statement that matters. If you have the resources to hire and retain a good coaching staff, if you have the resources to provide the facilities that prospective student athletes value, if you have the resources to fully staff support positions that provide a holistic experience - athletic, academic, and wellness, if you have the resources that allow you to offer a reasonable NIL environment, then you have the resources to sustain a competitive program on the field and on the court. Maybe not Alabama or Ohio State level, but a program that you can enjoy watching and take some pride in. It doesn’t matter if you are 3rd or 4th by a couple of million a year. If you check all those boxes, you will be fine.

 

[Consigliere]

I think by major he means #1 and #2. The ACC won’t be that. There will be a third conference though, there has to be. But it’s going to be the little brother.

And by that measuring stick, haven’t we always been? Yes there were some glory days in the late 80s and 90s, but would you have ever considered the Big East to be one of the top two or three conferences? Nothing wrong with 3rd or 4th unless the Big 2 expand to 30+ teams each

 

[HRE Otto IV]

And by that measuring stick, haven’t we always been? Yes there were some glory days in the late 80s and 90s, but would you have ever considered the Big East to be one of the top two or three conferences? Nothing wrong with 3rd or 4th unless the Big 2 expand to 30+ teams each

We have never had the $ gaps we will soon have. That is why schools are looking to leave the ACC. It will be very hard to keep up with coaches getting poached, facilities, NIL. ACC schools might become feeder programs for the P2. If we have a revolving door of coaches and we have players leaving for the big leagues, it will make the sport harder to watch.

If it weren't for the transfer portal, it wouldn't be as big of a deal.

 

[Chris02M]

We have never had the $ gaps we will soon have. That is why schools are looking to leave the ACC. It will be very hard to keep up with coaches getting poached, facilities, NIL. ACC schools might become feeder programs for the P2. If we have a revolving door of coaches and we have players leaving for the big leagues, it will make the sport harder to watch.

If it weren't for the transfer portal, it wouldn't be as big of a deal.

we will see what the tv media rights are at around 2030 as at some point its going to reverse with all the cord cutting and if it does our locked in contract at around 40 to 55 mil at the remainder of the contract will look much better. I am not saying Bigten or Sec will be below what we are getting but its not going to get any bigger than the next few years. Big 12 will likely fall behind which will make us an option for poaching teams if the group can stay together besides FSU

 

[All4SU]

The Big has won one national championship in the two major sports in the last two plus decades ffs.

This is a point that the ACC should be driving home every time someone sticks a microphone in a coach’s or administrator’s face. Keep repeating it over and over.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Some of yall are gonna drive yourselves mad with all this stuff... Colgate game can't get here soon enough.

It appears we are long past that point by the looks of some of the word salad posted here.

 

[Consigliere]

We have never had the $ gaps we will soon have. That is why schools are looking to leave the ACC. It will be very hard to keep up with coaches getting poached, facilities, NIL. ACC schools might become feeder programs for the P2. If we have a revolving door of coaches and we have players leaving for the big leagues, it will make the sport harder to watch.

If it weren't for the transfer portal, it wouldn't be as big of a deal.

I get that, and agree on the transfer portal issue. And certainly see the challenges of the growing wealth gap. I just don’t think it rises to the level of Armageddon that some posters do. At the end of the day, the P2 programs have the same number of coaching and scholarship slots available as they do today and can offer significant financial incentives for coaches or even players to jump. And the non B1G?? /SEC programs will lose some. But ordinally, the landscape hasn’t changed that much. Now if schools begin to leapfrog us in the hierarchy as a result of being invited as full members to those conferences, then we will be in some trouble.

 

[Bayside44]

I get that, and agree on the transfer portal issue. And certainly see the challenges of the growing wealth gap. I just don’t think it rises to the level of Armageddon that some posters do. At the end of the day, the P2 programs have the same number of coaching and scholarship slots available as they do today and can offer significant financial incentives for coaches or even players to jump. And the non B1G?? /SEC programs will lose some. But ordinally, the landscape hasn’t changed that much. Now if schools begin to leapfrog us in the hierarchy as a result of being invited as full members to those conferences, then we will be in some trouble.

Yeah without getting too deep into it Texas A and M threw all that resource at Jimbo and NIL to get Sumlin's results and lose to App State. Somewhere there is a diminishing returns line on all of this.

 

[kcsu]

Gilbert hardly belongs on a p5 staff imo

I was being facetious.

 

[All4SU]

Other factors for overall consideration are fine. That isn’t what we are talking about.

You have provided no counter data.

If in 5 years of B12 play Houston is still getting 30k a game how is that not a red flag?

In 2040 if the ACC is in the same position as the PAC just was where the Apple offer is $20M base and escalating increases based on subscriptions for the ACC plug-in, we are going to want the team with the most loyal fans. So how do we measure that?

And in the case of Apple TV market is meaningless.

I don’t argue against Houston’s potential. In fact I would chose them based on that. But Rutgers has a bunch of potential too and we all know that ain’t happening. If Houston hasn’t shown any improvement in the next 5 years, it likely won’t happen.

2040? 2040?

I’ll be in the Cosmic Transfer Portal by then.

 

[Toga]

2040? 2040?

I’ll be in the Cosmic Transfer Portal by then.

Keep the light on for me.

 

[PhatOrange]

We have never had the $ gaps we will soon have. That is why schools are looking to leave the ACC. It will be very hard to keep up with coaches getting poached, facilities, NIL. ACC schools might become feeder programs for the P2. If we have a revolving door of coaches and we have players leaving for the big leagues, it will make the sport harder to watch.

If it weren't for the transfer portal, it wouldn't be as big of a deal.

As long as the 85 player scholarship rule stays in place it won’t matter. Kids will need a place to play.

 

[Hoo's That]

Interesting question
TCU is Fort Worth
SMU is Dallas
TCU right now has the upperhand.
SMU could make strides but it'll be tough to even pull even.

It would be a lot easier for SMU to catch up to TCU (who was supposed to be in the original Big XII instead of Baylor) if they can get to the ACC or Big XII+. If TCU was still in their original conference (MWC? American?) I think they would be still be better than SMU because of Gary Patterson, but the gap wouldn't be as large as it is now.

 

[Hoo's That]

No one has the "right" to behave that way. Not one conference has survived when unequal revenue sharing is introduced. It's stupid and egotistical for FSU to prey on a hamstrung conference by making outlandish demands- it's just not helping. Bottom line, they can leave now and pay the price as mandated, or accept that that's not possible at the moment, and stf up about it. But to suggest as they have, that everyone should kowtow to them is ludicrous. At the very least, show some class, act like Clemson and UNC, and not spout off at every opportunity. JMHO

Who runs FSU? Florida Men and Women. Think about it.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

As long as the 85 player scholarship rule stays in place it won’t matter. Kids will need a place to play.

Scholarships aren’t 4 years. We can lose upperclassmen to the big boys, like Deuce.

 

[Hoo's That]

The Big has won one national championship in the two major sports in the last two plus decades ffs.

This is a point that the ACC should be driving home every time someone sticks a microphone in a coach’s or administrator’s face. Keep repeating it over and over.

The B1G is Ohio State, Michigan, and a bunch of teams that range from "very good" on down in football. In basketball, all of them are in the "very good on down" category.

 

[Willy75]

Scholarships aren’t 4 years. We can lose upperclassmen to the big boys, like Deuce.

I think scholarships are 4 years now.

 

[CousCuse]

We have never had the $ gaps we will soon have. That is why schools are looking to leave the ACC. It will be very hard to keep up with coaches getting poached, facilities, NIL. ACC schools might become feeder programs for the P2. If we have a revolving door of coaches and we have players leaving for the big leagues, it will make the sport harder to watch.

If it weren't for the transfer portal, it wouldn't be as big of a deal.

There are a significant number of players in the NFL who came from G5 and lower levels of football. There would be more but the bias is to get players who have had and development at factory programs. What I'm saying is that the coach at Syracuse has to be able to identify those players and portal them in and once they portal they probably won't a second time . For a lot of players at lower level schools, getting to finish a degree or getting an advanced degree at Syracuse would be a big thing for their life and work possibilities. There are a lot more programs and players below Syracuse than above so the chances are good to get real talent.

 

[DuxburyO]

They are going to win a lot of games this year, IMO.

Come on. Playing Sacred Heart, FIU, Georgia ST and uMass. That’s pretty lame. I guess the Hartford YMCA flag team wasn’t available.

 

[PhatOrange]

Scholarships aren’t 4 years. We can lose upperclassmen to the big boys, like Deuce.

And backfill them with Shrader, Johnson etc. the roster won’t be filled with D3 kids. There are a too many good players out there who don’t want to sit.

 

[Chip]

Scholarships aren’t 4 years. We can lose upperclassmen to the big boys, like Deuce.

We always will. But we can replace them with younger highly rated recruits who do not like their playing time.

Not the best strategy in the world, but not the worst either.

Just have to hope they don't allow a kid to transfer multiple times without ever having to sit out a year. If it stays at one, it helps.