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ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

Hoo's That said:
The B1G is Ohio State, Michigan, and a bunch of teams that range from "very good" on down in football. In basketball, all of them are in the "very good on down" category.
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Okay. I don’t disagree with that. But college sports are inherently cyclical. Teams and leagues have ups and downs. If you’re going to consider championships as a yardstick - which I believe all fans do - then the B1G has been a disappointment in football and basketball in the last decade.

All I’m saying is the ACC needs to reclaim some of the narrative where they can. And this is one area.
 
Hoo's That said:
The B1G is Ohio State, Michigan, and a bunch of teams that range from "very good" on down in football. In basketball, all of them are in the "very good on down" category.
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I'd put Penn State in the top tier, and now USC. Probably Oregon too.

But top to bottom, it's really nowhere near the SEC in college football. So much more great inventory in the SEC, that I'm surprised the TV deals are that close.

I guess having Ohio State-Michigan game is what drives it. Those schools should, and probably at some point will, ask for a bigger share. Greed gets infectious.
 
DuxburyO said:
Come on. Playing Sacred Heart, FIU, Georgia ST and uMass. That’s pretty lame. I guess the Hartford YMCA flag team wasn’t available.
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They can only play the teams that will schedule them. They do also have Tennessee, NCST, Duke, BC, James Madison and Utah St. who are all good to real good programs. GAST beat Tennessee a couple years ago.
 
CousCuse said:
They can only play the teams that will schedule them. They do also have Tennessee, NCST, Duke, BC, James Madison and Utah St. who are all good to real good programs. GAST beat Tennessee a couple years ago.
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I think the teams you listed are losses. Who knows until they play. I hope you beat BC though.
 
DuxburyO said:
I think the teams you listed are losses. Who knows until they play. I hope you beat BC though.
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I'm not a UConn alum or "fan". I just enjoy following almost any teams progress especially the underdogs. There are so many programs in so many places, it's like a giant Vegas buffet. I don't really like B1G or SEC so much, too scripted.
 
Back to ACC expansion for a minute. I'm picking up some things on Twitter which may or may not be accurate. I'll call them possible smoke. Some believe there will be a vote on Tuesday. While some believe expansion to include Stanford & Cal is still possible, the 12th vote isn't there, yet. Many believe that the 4 schools voting NO are doing so with the intent that the ACC ultimately dissolve or let them out of their GOR agreement so they can go elsewhere like the SEC or B1G. So they don't want to add more schools that could vote against dissolution or a GOR settlement. Two ideas that some people believe may be being considered are 1) expansion would only be for football and basketball. Not Olympic sports. To save travel costs. And 2) Stanford & Cal would not have a vote for a period of time like 5 years thus preserving the 8 votes needed to dissolve the ACC. With one or both they may be able to pick up the 12th vote. In the meantime what does Syracuse do for the long term? Just wait to see if the ACC ultimately stays in existence, or consider alternatives, if there are any viable ones?
 
FloridaCuse said:
Back to ACC expansion for a minute. I'm picking up some things on Twitter which may or may not be accurate. I'll call them possible smoke. Some believe there will be a vote on Tuesday. While some believe expansion to include Stanford & Cal is still possible, the 12th vote isn't there, yet. Many believe that the 4 schools voting NO are doing so with the intent that the ACC ultimately dissolve or let them out of their GOR agreement so they can go elsewhere like the SEC or B1G. So they don't want to add more schools that could vote against dissolution or a GOR settlement. Two ideas that some people believe may be being considered are 1) expansion would only be for football and basketball. Not Olympic sports. To save travel costs. And 2) Stanford & Cal would not have a vote for a period of time like 5 years thus preserving the 8 votes needed to dissolve the ACC. With one or both they may be able to pick up the 12th vote. In the meantime what does Syracuse do for the long term? Just wait to see if the ACC ultimately stays in existence, or consider alternatives, if there are any viable ones?
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The only thing we at Syracuse can do is trying to win games regularly in the main 2 sports and continuing to spend on football and operations at the current level. If we do our part, there will be a place somewhere for us.

I think one factor also on getting the 12th vote is since ND is strongly in favor of at least Cal and Stanford, some want to leverage that to get something additional out it since we did them a solid during Covid when we didnt have to, it doesn't necessarily have to be a 6th football game, but we want something tangible since they are not a football member. What could that be? help on scheduling if its just CalFord and not a 3rd such as SMU.

I am also pretty sure more than 8 votes are needed to dissolve the ACC as it was only 8 they probably would have already done it.

The final piece to expansion, is getting something from espn, right now they don't want to pay additional for new members following the layoffs and cord cutting being more prevalent than ever. I think were ok not getting anything extra today as long as CalFord/ SMU are not being compensated, but I highly doubt that would be more than 3 or 4 years, at that point we probably want assurances that they will pay at the look in so that the money doesn't decrease when the newbies would start being paid
 
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FloridaCuse said:
Back to ACC expansion for a minute. I'm picking up some things on Twitter which may or may not be accurate. I'll call them possible smoke. Some believe there will be a vote on Tuesday. While some believe expansion to include Stanford & Cal is still possible, the 12th vote isn't there, yet. Many believe that the 4 schools voting NO are doing so with the intent that the ACC ultimately dissolve or let them out of their GOR agreement so they can go elsewhere like the SEC or B1G. So they don't want to add more schools that could vote against dissolution or a GOR settlement. Two ideas that some people believe may be being considered are 1) expansion would only be for football and basketball. Not Olympic sports. To save travel costs. And 2) Stanford & Cal would not have a vote for a period of time like 5 years thus preserving the 8 votes needed to dissolve the ACC. With one or both they may be able to pick up the 12th vote. In the meantime what does Syracuse do for the long term? Just wait to see if the ACC ultimately stays in existence, or consider alternatives, if there are any viable ones?
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100% that the 4 teams don’t want to add for those exact reasons. They want to get out easier and that means making sure they keep the future no votes from being increased and they want to make Phillips life miserable to negotiate a more favorable exit. Sabotage is what this is called
 
EnviroSciGuy said:
God's work, my friend. The last thing a lot of posters want to actually read is information from people that actually work on these issues, work in higher ed, etc. People want to be entertained, rather than see holes get poked in their misconceptions. These realignment threads are a special mix of silliness, and yet I can't look away...
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There is no chatter anywhere else about PAC remnants. I think this is a done deal and the current ACC schools will get a bump which they want. My guess it's just finalizing details and waiting for the early week news cycle. You don't want to announce on a Friday like you want to bury it, you want to promote it on a Monday/Tuesday. Just spitballing here.
 
Cusefan69 said:
There is no chatter anywhere else about PAC remnants. I think this is a done deal and the current ACC schools will get a bump which they want. My guess it's just finalizing details and waiting for the early week news cycle. You don't want to announce on a Friday like you want to bury it, you want to promote it on a Monday/Tuesday. Just spitballing here.
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You're the Gaylord Perry of posters CF69.
 
Cusefan69 said:
There is no chatter anywhere else about PAC remnants. I think this is a done deal and the current ACC schools will get a bump which they want. My guess it's just finalizing details and waiting for the early week news cycle. You don't want to announce on a Friday like you want to bury it, you want to promote it on a Monday/Tuesday. Just spitballing here.
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If approved or very close I'd think we'd hear a few leaks...no leaks is bad news, IMHO.
 
Could be they got the info Friday and taking an official vote early this week
 
TexanMark said:
If approved or very close I'd think we'd hear a few leaks...no leaks is bad news, IMHO.
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Not arguing….. it’s possible “no leaks” nothing has actually happened at all, specifically an official vote. I feel like in this day and age, a leak would happen good or bad news.

But who knows, lol.
 
FloridaCuse said:
Back to ACC expansion for a minute. I'm picking up some things on Twitter which may or may not be accurate. I'll call them possible smoke. Some believe there will be a vote on Tuesday. While some believe expansion to include Stanford & Cal is still possible, the 12th vote isn't there, yet. Many believe that the 4 schools voting NO are doing so with the intent that the ACC ultimately dissolve or let them out of their GOR agreement so they can go elsewhere like the SEC or B1G. So they don't want to add more schools that could vote against dissolution or a GOR settlement. Two ideas that some people believe may be being considered are 1) expansion would only be for football and basketball. Not Olympic sports. To save travel costs. And 2) Stanford & Cal would not have a vote for a period of time like 5 years thus preserving the 8 votes needed to dissolve the ACC. With one or both they may be able to pick up the 12th vote. In the meantime what does Syracuse do for the long term? Just wait to see if the ACC ultimately stays in existence, or consider alternatives, if there are any viable ones?
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The 8 votes to dissolve the ACC is a fictitious thing invented by internet trolls.
 
WoadBlue said:
SMU has always been the Rich Kids college while TCU has always been a middle class/ small rancher college. SMU has many more rich alums.
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And that's what got them into trouble the first time.
 
texascpa said:
What got them in trouble the back in the day is acceptable today. They were just ahead of the times.
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That's pretty close to the actual truth. The SMU boosters were tired of seeing Oklahoma and A&M and Texas (sometimes Arkansas and LSU and Houston) buy, rather literally, most of the best talent in TX. And so they started their own slush funds. And then when caught they felt it would be wrong to stop paying guys to whom they had made 4 year promises. OU, for example, would have dumped those players they had bribed in a half second, but the SMU people at least felt an obligation to them. And the NCAA, while totally ignoring OU's endless sins at the time, decided that SMU would get the Death Penalty.

Now, I think the SMU boosters would invest in a huge way in NIL, as well as in building the best facilities for a smaller school that anybody has. SMU has 6800 undergrads and Dook has 6800 undergrads. That total makes SMU a bad addition for the ACC. We lack large student bodies. We need a school the size of Cincinnati, not another the size of Dook. Cincy has about 47,000 students, about 37,000 of them undergrads.
 
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