ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[Chris02M]

So Calford joins. Is SMU far behind? Maybe SanDiego? At some point you have that western pod right?

not sure, maybe smu

 

[Jake]

I really feel bad for Oregon state/ Wash St. They’ve been “UConn-ed”

 

[orangefog]

I really feel bad for Oregon state/ Wash St. They’ve been “UConn-ed”

Are they going to sue?

 

[Chris02M]

Are they going to sue?

there is nothing to sue about

 

[Toga]

So given the demise of the PAC, what year are they likely to join?

 

[qdawgg]

I don’t know who you add BUT it seems silly to add just 2 west coast teams. I’m not really high on anyone left out there. SMU seems like a bush league add but I’m also resigned to the idea and don’t care much. You can’t add 3 new teams though, right? Need a 4th. Unless ND is going to add a 6th ACC game to schedule as a compromise for votes to add Stanford. I don’t think that’s what’s happening even though it makes sense.

 

[Chris02M]

So given the demise of the PAC, what year are they likely to join?

since the pac is dead and without tv , im thinking next year

 

[Jake]

I think it works best for Stanford / Cal for the league to add Wash St and Oregon St. or some other west coast teams. I don’t think that works best for the ACC and I don’t think calford is in the position to dictate terms

 

[qdawgg]

I think it works best for Stanford / Cal for the league to add Wash St and Oregon St. or some other west coast teams. I don’t think that works best for the ACC and I don’t think calford is in the position to dictate terms

I almost wanted to write this and just couldn’t bring myself to lol. I wouldn’t hate this, at this point in time. I’m not sure ESPN would find adding all 4 of those teams would add enough value.

 

[kcsu]

I think it works best for Stanford / Cal for the league to add Wash St and Oregon St. or some other west coast teams. I don’t think that works best for the ACC and I don’t think calford is in the position to dictate terms

UCLA and USC went first. It took time to add Oregon and Washington.
If in fact Cal and Stanford are added im sure that there will be additional teams. It wouldn't shock me to see San Diego state and SMU next or even Washington State and Oregon state if they accept a long term low payment. I would think 15m a year adds anyone of those teams.

 

[ECE '76]

Just because they are meeting tomorrow doesn't mean they have the votes to expand. But I hope they do add Stanford and Cal, but not unfairly give the 4 holdouts some special bonus not available to everyone else to close the deal.

If the ACC's fate is to become the P5 "Ivy" League in 2036, that is a great thing for SU. The real Ivy league schools have accumulated multi billion dollar endowments and it didn't come from football TV contracts. Membership in that league is a golden ticket to the best students, highest alumni giving, best research grants, etc.

SU stands to gain a lot being in a league with Stanford, Cal, Duke, GaTech, BC, and Wake. Some others may be there maybe not - Miami, UVa. ND, like them or not, would happily leave their non football sports in such a league. Pitt is smart enough to have pushed for Stanford and Cal; they know it's better for them than the Big XII.

 

[Jake]

UCLA and USC went first. It took time to add Oregon and Washington.
If in fact Cal and Stanford are added im sure that there will be additional teams. It wouldn't shock me to see San Diego state and SMU next or even Washington State and Oregon state if they accept a long term low payment. I would think 15m a year adds anyone of those teams.

All it takes is more $ than they can get from the WAC…and if the league can get pro rata $ for each team…then I’d take all six.

Spread the wealth around and tell the west coast faction they don’t need send their Olympic sports teams east.

If they bring in $41M and only take $15M we got a way to increase $ for the rest of the conference short term.

 

[kcsu]

All it takes is more $ than they can get from the WAC…and if the league can get pro rata $ for each team…then I’d take all six.

Spread the wealth around and tell the west coast faction they don’t need send their Olympic sports teams east.

If they bring in $41M and only take $15M we got a way to increase $ for the rest of the conference short term.

Yep, accretive for sure.
The 4 pac teams, San Diego State, SMU. Pay the 15m for 3 years then bump them to 50% .
Big win for them, big win for ACC, huge score for ESPN

 

[tep624]

Well glad to see sanity prevailed with Cal/Stanford. The ACC’s survival plan is a national conference and best to get working on that ASAP. At least there is a plan in place by this move and no more sitting on hands.

Hopefully this leads to a long-term Big 12 target strategy and aggressively pursuing any other teams that fit the profile.

And with ND pushing this hopefully it leads to them being folded into the conference as a full participant in some way, shape or form.

 

[kcsu]

Well glad to see sanity prevailed with Cal/Stanford. The ACC’s survival plan is a national conference and best to get working on that ASAP. At least there is a plan in place by this move and no more sitting on hands.

Hopefully this leads to a long-term Big 12 target strategy and aggressively pursuing any other teams that fit the profile.

And with ND pushing this hopefully it leads to them being folded into the conference as a full participant in some way, shape or form.

Would love to see 6 games from ND

 

[Cheriehoop]

I really feel bad for Oregon state/ Wash St. They’ve been “UConn-ed”

Yes and Stevie Thompson switched positions at Oregon St from asst’t basketball coach to their assistant AD last year.

 

[CousCuse]

ACC is so lame. There is no doubt that ASU and Utah would have much rather come to the ACC with Calford than go to the Big 12 with AU and CU. So behind, Yormark ate Phillips lunch. And no one wants to go to Pulman to play WSU.

 

[Orangefizz]

Yep, accretive for sure.
The 4 pac teams, San Diego State, SMU. Pay the 15m for 3 years then bump them to 50% .
Big win for them, big win for ACC, huge score for ESPN

If the ACC had been bold and aggressive when USC and UCLA went to the Big Ten, they could have added Oregon, Washington, Cal, Stanford, Arizona, Utah, Arizona St for a Western division.

To try and re-create that with Oregon State, Washington State, San Diego State, Cal Stanford SMU illustrates a huge wasted opportunity.

 

[Toga]

Late night college football that I'm interested in. Nice way to close out a day of sports.

 

[tep624]

UCLA and USC went first. It took time to add Oregon and Washington.
If in fact Cal and Stanford are added im sure that there will be additional teams. It wouldn't shock me to see San Diego state and SMU next or even Washington State and Oregon state if they accept a long term low payment. I would think 15m a year adds anyone of those teams.

SDSU and SMU make a lot of sense with a national strategy. You shore up California with another really solid program FB/BB wise and then establish a beachhead in Big 12 country and send a message to other Midwest teams that the conference is serious about being there.

 

[tep624]

If the ACC had been bold and aggressive when USC and UCLA went to the Big Ten, they could have added Oregon, Washington, Cal, Stanford, Arizona, Utah, Arizona St for a Western division.

To try and re-create that with Oregon State, Washington State, San Diego State, Cal Stanford SMU illustrates a huge wasted opportunity.

Yes and no. SMU and SDSU were being targeted by the Pac 12 as replacement teams anyway. So adding them doesn’t change anything because they would have been part of the pool to pick from the Pac 12 and Big 12 when creating a national conference.

 

[Orangefizz]

ACC is so lame. There is no doubt that ASU and Utah would have much rather come to the ACC with Calford than go to the Big 12 with AU and CU. So behind, Yormark ate Phillips lunch. And no one wants to go to Pulman to play WSU.

Yes, And the world is flat. in conference realignment, the ACC can pick those teams up again in about five years if the ACC remains together.

 

[Orangefan1]

Would love to see 6 games from ND

They are basically in the ACC without saying it

 

[JeremyCuse]

If the ACC had been bold and aggressive when USC and UCLA went to the Big Ten, they could have added Oregon, Washington, Cal, Stanford, Arizona, Utah, Arizona St for a Western division.

To try and re-create that with Oregon State, Washington State, San Diego State, Cal Stanford SMU illustrates a huge wasted opportunity.

The ACC did try, the article from Adelson last week noted the ACC has had discussions for over a year with PAC 12 schools. As has been noted about 5 dozen times the remaining PAC schools didn't want to leave which was shown correct when they tried to keep the conference together until the bitter end. It also seems unrealistic to expect the ACC to take 7 PAC 12 teams at any point.

 

[CousCuse]

Yes, And the world is flat. in conference realignment, the ACC can pick those teams up again in about five years if the ACC remains together.

ACC has dead wood and the Big 12 doesn't. Once Colorado jumped and OU and UW fled to the B1G, the ACC could have offered Cal, Stan, ASU and Utah and would have got them.