ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[BlazeOrange]

If the Carolina 3 get to keep each other, their 4th games should have more travel.

Duke vs Stanford seems like a natural rivalry to try to create. Then send 1 more out west and the other two to the north.

 

[baggerbob]

Saw this on another board I visit as a proposed scheduling system for the new ACC. It's a 4-4-4-4 system, 4 permanent opponents and 3 slates of 4 opponents that rotate after home-and-home. Each team would get to play every other in a 6-year cycle. This keeps the conference schedule at 8 games, so the teams with SEC rivals don't lose an OOC game. IT IS NOT PODS, One poster proposed a swap so that NC State gets Clemson and Wake gets FSU to keep the Textile Bowl going. Going to this system also would allow the ACC to keep from having to choose whether UVa or NCSU is UNC's second permanent opponent in 2-7-7 and the resumption of the Duke-Ga Tech. match-up which had been continuous since 1937 until this year.

UVA: VPI, Ga Tech, Cal, UNC
UNC: Carolina 3, UVA
NC St: Carolina 3, FSU
Wake: Carolina 3, Clemson
Duke: Carolina 3, Ga Tech
Ga Tech: Clemson, Duke, UVA, Stan
Clemson: Ga Tech, Miami, FSU, Wake
FSU: Clemson, Miami, NC St, SMU
VPI: UVA, Pitt, Lou, Miami
Miami: FSU, VPI, Clemson, Syracuse
Syracuse: Pitt, BC, Miami, Stan
Pitt: BC, VPI, Cuse, Lou
BC: Lou, Cuse, Pitt, Cal
Lou: Pitt, VPI, SMU, BC
Stanford: Cal, Ga Tech, SMU, Cuse
Cal: Stan, UVA, SMU, BC
SMU: Cal, Stan, FSU, Lou

That gets us back where we should be playing Miami, Pitt, and BC every year and Stanford is a good 4th.

 

[SU94]

UVA: VPI, Ga Tech, Cal, UNC
UNC: Carolina 3, UVA
NC St: Carolina 3, FSU
Wake: Carolina 3, Clemson
Duke: Carolina 3, Ga Tech
Ga Tech: Clemson, Duke, UVA, Stan
Clemson: Ga Tech, Miami, FSU, Wake
FSU: Clemson, Miami, NC St, SMU
VPI: UVA, Pitt, Lou, Miami
Miami: FSU, VPI, Clemson, Syracuse
Syracuse: Pitt, BC, Miami, Stan
Pitt: BC, VPI, Cuse, Lou
BC: Lou, Cuse, Pitt, Cal
Lou: Pitt, VPI, SMU, BC
Stanford: Cal, Ga Tech, SMU, Cuse
Cal: Stan, UVA, SMU, BC
SMU: Cal, Stan, FSU, Lou

As long as UNC is totally protected. Those in-state roadies and trips up to Charlottesville are going to be a terrible strain for them. Might be best if we allow them to play 7 home conference games annually. They can certainly rotate home-and-home with Duke. Maybe sign a deal with Uber and save some money on the bus.

This 7-1 arrangement is totally "legal" per the initial ACC Charter, penned in 1953, in historic and picturesque Greensboro. Just ask the official ACC curators, who can be reached at their offices in the Dean Smith Center if you have any further questions.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Saw this on another board I visit as a proposed scheduling system for the new ACC. It's a 4-4-4-4 system, 4 permanent opponents and 3 slates of 4 opponents that rotate after home-and-home. Each team would get to play every other in a 6-year cycle. This keeps the conference schedule at 8 games, so the teams with SEC rivals don't lose an OOC game. IT IS NOT PODS, One poster proposed a swap so that NC State gets Clemson and Wake gets FSU to keep the Textile Bowl going. Going to this system also would allow the ACC to keep from having to choose whether UVa or NCSU is UNC's second permanent opponent in 2-7-7 and the resumption of the Duke-Ga Tech. match-up which had been continuous since 1937 until this year.

UVA: VPI, Ga Tech, Cal, UNC
UNC: Carolina 3, UVA
NC St: Carolina 3, FSU
Wake: Carolina 3, Clemson
Duke: Carolina 3, Ga Tech
Ga Tech: Clemson, Duke, UVA, Stan
Clemson: Ga Tech, Miami, FSU, Wake
FSU: Clemson, Miami, NC St, SMU
VPI: UVA, Pitt, Lou, Miami
Miami: FSU, VPI, Clemson, Syracuse
Syracuse: Pitt, BC, Miami, Stan
Pitt: BC, VPI, Cuse, Lou
BC: Lou, Cuse, Pitt, Cal
Lou: Pitt, VPI, SMU, BC
Stanford: Cal, Ga Tech, SMU, Cuse
Cal: Stan, UVA, SMU, BC
SMU: Cal, Stan, FSU, Lou

2x7/7 cannot happen. It is math.

If you scroll back a few pages 4x4/4/4 has better options in this thread.


Edit

I will also add that the current 3 perms aren’t likely to change. Maybe a few but not many. First they were chosen for a reason. Second people are lazy, easier to just add one more for everyone.

Edit II

ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

There hasn't been any talk about how it's even going to be resolved. I'm just not sure how it can be pulled off with out bankrupting both schools... This far out, I’ve said this for awhile particularly with FSU. Even if they found the $ to buy themselves out and I don’t think they could. It...

syracusefan.com

 

[MikeSU02]

ESPN Reportedly Closing Studios In Aftermath Of Layoffs

The network has reportedly decided to close its Seaport studios in New York by 2025 and will likely do the same for its Los Angeles studios.

frontofficesports.com

 

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

ESPN Reportedly Closing Studios In Aftermath Of Layoffs

The network has reportedly decided to close its Seaport studios in New York by 2025 and will likely do the same for its Los Angeles studios.

frontofficesports.com

The NY studio never made sense considering how much they had set up only an hour or so away in CT

 

[longtimefan]

ESPN Reportedly Closing Studios In Aftermath Of Layoffs

The network has reportedly decided to close its Seaport studios in New York by 2025 and will likely do the same for its Los Angeles studios.

frontofficesports.com

I wonder if they might close down the DC operation they set up for Van Pelt.

 

[ECE '76]

Saw this on another board I visit as a proposed scheduling system for the new ACC. It's a 4-4-4-4 system, 4 permanent opponents and 3 slates of 4 opponents that rotate after home-and-home. Each team would get to play every other in a 6-year cycle. This keeps the conference schedule at 8 games, so the teams with SEC rivals don't lose an OOC game. IT IS NOT PODS, One poster proposed a swap so that NC State gets Clemson and Wake gets FSU to keep the Textile Bowl going. Going to this system also would allow the ACC to keep from having to choose whether UVa or NCSU is UNC's second permanent opponent in 2-7-7 and the resumption of the Duke-Ga Tech. match-up which had been continuous since 1937 until this year.

UVA: VPI, Ga Tech, Cal, UNC
UNC: Carolina 3, UVA
NC St: Carolina 3, FSU
Wake: Carolina 3, Clemson
Duke: Carolina 3, Ga Tech
Ga Tech: Clemson, Duke, UVA, Stan
Clemson: Ga Tech, Miami, FSU, Wake
FSU: Clemson, Miami, NC St, SMU
VPI: UVA, Pitt, Lou, Miami
Miami: FSU, VPI, Clemson, Syracuse
Syracuse: Pitt, BC, Miami, Stan
Pitt: BC, VPI, Cuse, Lou
BC: Lou, Cuse, Pitt, Cal
Lou: Pitt, VPI, SMU, BC
Stanford: Cal, Ga Tech, SMU, Cuse
Cal: Stan, UVA, SMU, BC
SMU: Cal, Stan, FSU, Lou

Was this proposed by a Syracuse alum or a VPI alum? IT'S FANTASTIC!

I think VPI loves this plan too.

I see two oddball matches in here:
Clemson-Wake
BC-Louisville

I'd switch it to be:
Clemson-Louisville
BC-Wake

Just so I understand: all teams play outside their "4" once every 3 years. 6 years is for home and away cycle. Right?

EDIT to also change NC State:

NC State-FSU
Clemson-Wake
BC-Louisville
>>change to:
NC State-Clemson
BC-Wake
Louisville-FSU

 

[ECE '76]

I will also add that the current 3 perms aren’t likely to change. Maybe a few but not many. First they were chosen for a reason. Second people are lazy, easier to just add one more for everyone.

Sorry, there is NO reason why FSU-Syracuse should be paired now or forever.

 

[longtimefan]

Going forward, finding your audience could be a problem. And if the audience dwindles, the economic model that the leagues are counting on going forward may not work.

https://www.axios.com/2023/09/17/nfl-mlb-football-baseball-nbc-abc-espn-amazon-streaming?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top

 

[Hoo's That]

Was this proposed by a Syracuse alum or a VPI alum? IT'S FANTASTIC!

I think VPI loves this plan too.

I see two oddball matches in here:
Clemson-Wake
BC-Louisville

I'd switch it to be:
Clemson-Louisville
BC-Wake

Just so I understand: all teams play outside their "4" once every 3 years. 6 years is for home and away cycle. Right?

EDIT to also change NC State:

NC State-FSU
Clemson-Wake
BC-Louisville
>>change to:
NC State-Clemson
BC-Wake
Louisville-FSU

It's from the Ga Tech board so probably one of their fans, hence they play Stanford each year instead of having Duke play them.

Correct, You play those 4 every year and a slate of 4 home-and-home, then switch to a second slate for H&H, and then the third. You'd have played the entire conference H&H at least once over the 6-year cycle.

 

[Toga]

If the Carolina 3 get to keep each other, their 4th games should have more travel.

Duke vs Stanford seems like a natural rivalry to try to create. Then send 1 more out west and the other two to the north.

I know Stanford played at Duke about 10-11 years ago as I was in Chapel Hill that weekend.

 

[FloridaCuse]

I wonder if they might close down the DC operation they set up for Van Pelt.

I believe it's the same studio used by PTI & it's located in the ABC operations in D.C.

 

[Cheriehoop]

AD John Wildhack had said that SU would not be playing a west coast team every year in football but maybe 2 or 3 times every 5 years.

Interview with Syracuse Director of Athletics John Wildhack

The ACC voted to add Stanford, Cal and SMU to the conference beginning next year. Ben Spector spoke to Syracuse Director of Athletics John Wildhack on how the move impacts SU and the ACC as a whole.

www.waer.org

 

[kcsu]

BC Pitt Miami and Stanford is perfect. Cal as a backup. I dont want anything to do with SMU

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Sorry, there is NO reason why FSU-Syracuse should be paired now or forever.

Why was FSU and SU paired with 3 + 5/5? Why would that change with 4 + 4/4/4? I agree we shouldn't be paired but FSU wants a Northeast team as a perm. So either BC or SU gets stuck there.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

These are the current 3 perms. I doubt much will change for this. We are more likely to see one team added to each.

BC- Miami, Pitt, SU
Clemson- FSU, GA Tech, NC State (add Wake?)
Duke- UNC, NC State, Wake (add GA Tech?)
FSU- Clemson, Miami, SU (keep SU or add BC?)
GA Tech- Clemson, Louisville, Wake (add Duke?)
Louisville- GA Tech, Miami, UVA
Miami- BC, FSU, Louisville (add Pitt?)
UNC- Duke, NC State, UVA (add Wake?)
NC State- Clemson, Duke, UNC (add Wake?)
Pitt- BC, SU, VA Tech (add Miami?)
SU- BC, FSU, Pitt (just don't add Louisville)
UVA- Louisville, UNC, VA Tech
VA Tech- Pitt, UVA, Wake (add Miami?)
Wake- Duke, GA Tech, VA Tech (add Clemson, UNC, NC State?)


That is your starting template. There won't be a lot changed from those. The bold are the games that I think definitely stay. Then you will need to add some of the teams to Cal, Stanford, SMU.

 

[NYCCuse826]

ESPN Reportedly Closing Studios In Aftermath Of Layoffs

The network has reportedly decided to close its Seaport studios in New York by 2025 and will likely do the same for its Los Angeles studios.

frontofficesports.com

Wow. This is a big deal. Bristol is not an easy place to get to, so that means whatever talent that's left will have to move to Connecticut or commute everyday from the NYC metro.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

If I were going to pick for SU I would want BC, Pitt, UVA, Miami. I think athletically we have a lot in common with UVA. Plus it is a drivable trip. If we can't get Miami I would go for GA Tech. VA Tech would be my alternate to the UVA.

Teams I do NOT want to see yearly: Cal, Stanford, SMU, FSU, Clemson, NC State, Wake, Louisville. We don't need long trips every other year, and we don't need too hard a schedule. I wouldn't mind UNC or Duke but both will want other teams besides SU.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

BC Pitt Miami and Stanford is perfect. Cal as a backup. I dont want anything to do with SMU

You really want 4 trips to San Fran every 6 year vs only 2 trips?

 

[CousCuse]

If I were going to pick for SU I would want BC, Pitt, UVA, Miami. I think athletically we have a lot in common with UVA. Plus it is a drivable trip. If we can't get Miami I would go for GA Tech. VA Tech would be my alternate to the UVA.

Teams I do NOT want to see yearly: Cal, Stanford, SMU, FSU, Clemson, NC State, Wake, Louisville. We don't need long trips every other year, and we don't need too hard a schedule. I wouldn't mind UNC or Duke but both will want other teams besides SU.

There is more developed high school football talent in the DFW metroplex than anyplace else on earth.

 

[WoadBlue]

Saw this on another board I visit as a proposed scheduling system for the new ACC. It's a 4-4-4-4 system, 4 permanent opponents and 3 slates of 4 opponents that rotate after home-and-home. Each team would get to play every other in a 6-year cycle. This keeps the conference schedule at 8 games, so the teams with SEC rivals don't lose an OOC game. IT IS NOT PODS, One poster proposed a swap so that NC State gets Clemson and Wake gets FSU to keep the Textile Bowl going. Going to this system also would allow the ACC to keep from having to choose whether UVa or NCSU is UNC's second permanent opponent in 2-7-7 and the resumption of the Duke-Ga Tech. match-up which had been continuous since 1937 until this year.

UVA: VPI, Ga Tech, Cal, UNC
UNC: Carolina 3, UVA
NC St: Carolina 3, FSU
Wake: Carolina 3, Clemson
Duke: Carolina 3, Ga Tech
Ga Tech: Clemson, Duke, UVA, Stan
Clemson: Ga Tech, Miami, FSU, Wake
FSU: Clemson, Miami, NC St, SMU
VPI: UVA, Pitt, Lou, Miami
Miami: FSU, VPI, Clemson, Syracuse
Syracuse: Pitt, BC, Miami, Stan
Pitt: BC, VPI, Cuse, Lou
BC: Lou, Cuse, Pitt, Cal
Lou: Pitt, VPI, SMU, BC
Stanford: Cal, Ga Tech, SMU, Cuse
Cal: Stan, UVA, SMU, BC
SMU: Cal, Stan, FSU, Lou

Let me toss out some thoughts: I really like UVA with Cal, and I think along those lines that Stanford should play UNC or Dook annually. Incorporate that pair right into the heart of the original ACC with an annual rival that is also an Elite school.

Does FSU recruit enough in TX for it to be happy with small private school SMU as an annual rival? FSU boosters and fans will whine about anything, so I would make FSU all but demand to play any of the 3 from out west annually. Plus, the largest number of FSU alums outside FL are in GA, especially round Atlanta. And FSU always has recruited GA heavily. So I think FSU-GT as annual makes very good sense for both FSU and the ACC.

Clemson always has recruited NC very heavily. So I think Clemson would prefer to play either NCSU or UNC annually than to play Miami annually.

I think Miami-SMU makes a great match for TV. Keeping with being in an NFL town, I also like the idea of SMU-Pitt (and they have a classic Cotton Bowl as the basis from which to talk up a new annual game).

 

[WoadBlue]

There is more developed high school football talent in the DFW metroplex than anyplace else on earth.

That is probably true. I know a couple others can make a good claim, but I would go with DFW.

 

[CousCuse]

That is probably true. I know a couple others can make a good claim, but I would go with DFW.

Yes, and if Syracuse played there every other year and made contacts and friends there with the high school football people, they could get some great recruits. Syracuse and BC, though I don't see BC wanting to play SMU every year, need that more than any of the other teams in the ACC because of the lack of high school talent in their regions.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

There is more developed high school football talent in the DFW metroplex than anyplace else on earth.

And that talent isn't going to SU just because we play SMU in DFW 3 times in 6 years vs only 1x.