ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[orangenauburn]

Of interest maybe only to me.

Clemson FSU only drew 1.41m Saturday night
Cuse Stanford drew 1.37m on a Friday night

Still waiting on Cuse UNLV rating number

Thought FSU and Clemson were the big draws.

Miami VaTech did like 3.26m

 

[longtimefan]

Of interest maybe only to me.

Clemson FSU only drew 1.41m Saturday night
Cuse Stanford drew 1.37m on a Friday night

Still waiting on Cuse UNLV rating number

Thought FSU and Clemson were the big draws.

Miami VaTech did like 3.26m

I think FSU's ineptitude drove down their numbers. Which sort of puts the lie to their legal filings claiming they add great value to the ACC.

 

[capeorange]

This ought to generate some interesting comments...

https://archive.is/W3Dmm

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Why would you want your sports to travel to Hawaii? It makes more sense to dump Hawaii FB than to bring them on for all sports.

 

[Scooch]

I can't fathom why a MAC school would want to join the Mountain West. It's not like the money is any good, and there'd be far more travel.

 

[Scooch]

Why would you want your sports to travel to Hawaii? It makes more sense to dump Hawaii FB than to bring them on for all sports.

Well hey, when you have the chance to dramatically increase your travel costs, and get a whole $6 million a year in media money, you have to take it!

Everyone involved in college athletics is so remarkably dim.

 

[orange79]

I can't fathom why a MAC school would want to join the Mountain West. It's not like the money is any good, and there'd be far more travel.

Yeah, just about to post the same thing. Why would Toledo ever even consider leaving the MAC?

Are they trying to play the uneven revenue distribution card? And if they pulled their football team, I can't imagine the MAC would let their non-rev sports stick around.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Agree to disagree. If you think the nation wants to watch the same 15 teams and nothing else you are crazy. There are plenty of great programs outside of those two conferences that aren't Toledo and Akron.

We rabidly watch the same 32 NFL teams each year. Two mega-leagues (super conferences) who have an in-conference play down to get to a conference v conference championship game will do very well, for this involved.
Two 16-20 team conferences, each with 4 team divisions. Division winners play down to a conference championship.

 

[sutomcat]

Of interest maybe only to me.

Clemson FSU only drew 1.41m Saturday night
Cuse Stanford drew 1.37m on a Friday night

Still waiting on Cuse UNLV rating number

Thought FSU and Clemson were the big draws.

Miami VaTech did like 3.26m

This guy says SU-UNLV had 698K.

Interesting conversation on things there. They were surprised to hear ACCN has a bigger distribution than FS1. It is actually much bigger now since they are using numbers before SMU, Cal and Stanford joined.

https://tinyurl.com/5n6exeu8/

 

[longtimefan]

We rabidly watch the same 32 NFL teams each year. Two mega-leagues (super conferences) who have an in-conference play down to get to a conference v conference championship game will do very well, for this involved.
Two 16-20 team conferences, each with 4 team divisions. Division winners play down to a conference championship.

We already have MLB with the NFL. I would not be especially interested in AAA ball with the SEC/B1G "Super League".

 

[PhatOrange]

 

[orangenauburn]

This guy says SU-UNLV had 698K.

Interesting conversation on things there. They were surprised to hear ACCN has a bigger distribution than FS1. It is actually much bigger now since they are using numbers before SMU, Cal and Stanford joined.

https://tinyurl.com/5n6exeu8/

And that 698k beat out a lot of games between peer programs

 

[Jcuse_44]

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You switch our time slot to the Butgers / Nebraska slot and we get 3million viewers.

 

[shantydaze]

You switch our time slot to the Butgers / Nebraska slot and we get 3million viewers.

I would be surprised if any game on FS1 has ever gotten 2 million viewers, much less 3 million.

It would be interesting to see where viewers are actually located. For instance, how many of the 1 million+ viewers for the Ole Miss-South Carolina game were from outside of the Southeast?

 

[MSOrange]

Big Ten, SEC in discussions over landmark scheduling agreement with focus on revenue, solidifying CFP spots

College football's two richest and most powerful conferences could face off in a series of "challenge" games

www.cbssports.com

 

[David321]

We rabidly watch the same 32 NFL teams each year. Two mega-leagues (super conferences) who have an in-conference play down to get to a conference v conference championship game will do very well, for this involved.
Two 16-20 team conferences, each with 4 team divisions. Division winners play down to a conference championship.

At what point does it become so much like the NFL that it loses it's appeal; why not just watch the NFL at that point?

As the line between college and the NFL continues to blur, people may ask themselves why they're even watching college football.

 

[Bayside44]

At what point does it become so much like the NFL that it loses it's appeal; why not just watch the NFL at that point?

As the line between college and the NFL continues to blur, people may ask themselves why they're even watching college football.

As much as I hate to say it watching a PSU play USC was pretty great. It’s not losing its appeal

 

[Scooch]

As much as I hate to say it watching a PSU play USC was pretty great. It’s not losing its appeal

As was Ohio State-Oregon.

College fandom is very different than NFL fandom. People are attracted to different elements of each game and experience.

I will say, the balancing act the B1G and SEC have to perform is ultimately including enough additional schools in their conferences to ensure that there’s enough geographic and fan base representation that drives big ratings, while not having bloated leagues that water down the revenue splits.

I continue to think years from now those leagues will have ~24 members, and the left behind schools will be in a single, quasi-power league that aligns with the Big SEC for scheduling and playoff purposes.

 

[WoadBlue]

As much as I hate to say it watching a PSU play USC was pretty great. It’s not losing its appeal

It didn't even entice me to flip over for a brief look in. Now if it had about a Pac team vs. an Eastern independent or even a BT team, then I would have done that a few times.

What these two leagues and their Globalist corporation financiers miss is that key to most of CFB watching is 2 things: what you see as your 'regional' games (featuring YOUR team) and games between good teams from various regions against each other.

What we have is basically 3 plans for the future of Major College Football. 1) the BT/SEC plan, which is to destroy the Major status of all other conferences and take what they feel are the most valuable of their members, and then close ranks permanently. All money and prestige of Major CFB will be theirs. They have the backing of Globalist corporations to do this and thus can pull it off. 2) Project Rudy, which will have ACC and Big 12 as well as SEC and BT. That much larger group will then be closed. All games will be among those 4 leagues and their members. 3) The College Student Football League, which will end conferences as we know them and have 72 teams. Unlike Project Rudy, this one would have some minimal relegation and promotion.

Obviously, the worst of those for CFB is the BT/SEC plan. Of the other two, the one I think will never get any hearing from any SEC or BT schools, much less league offices, is College Student Football League. No way that either is going to abandon its league name and history and all the pride that goes with those things. Nor will they go along with any system that could mean one of their members gets demoted while a Bowling Green or UAB or Buffalo or Wyoming could get promoted.

If those backing the CSFL could all get behind Project Rudy, there might be a chance that something along those lines could get done.

 

[Bayside44]

It didn't even entice me to flip over for a brief look in. Now if it had about a Pac team vs. an Eastern independent or even a BT team, then I would have done that a few times.

What these two leagues and their Globalist corporation financiers miss is that key to most of CFB watching is 2 things: what you see as your 'regional' games (featuring YOUR team) and games between good teams from various regions against each other.

What we have is basically 3 plans for the future of Major College Football. 1) the BT/SEC plan, which is to destroy the Major status of all other conferences and take what they feel are the most valuable of their members, and then close ranks permanently. All money and prestige of Major CFB will be theirs. They have the backing of Globalist corporations to do this and thus can pull it off. 2) Project Rudy, which will have ACC and Big 12 as well as SEC and BT. That much larger group will then be closed. All games will be among those 4 leagues and their members. 3) The College Student Football League, which will end conferences as we know them and have 72 teams. Unlike Project Rudy, this one would have some minimal relegation and promotion.

Obviously, the worst of those for CFB is the BT/SEC plan. Of the other two, the one I think will never get any hearing from any SEC or BT schools, much less league offices, is College Student Football League. No way that either is going to abandon its league name and history and all the pride that goes with those things. Nor will they go along with any system that could mean one of their members gets demoted while a Bowling Green or UAB or Buffalo or Wyoming could get promoted.

If those backing the CSFL could all get behind Project Rudy, there might be a chance that something along those lines could get done.

4.3 million people did.

 

[shantydaze]

4.3 million people did.

To put it into perspective, the NFL was averaging 17.5 million viewers per broadcast in the first five weeks of the 2024 season. Some of this may be due to fantasy sports or betting, which is easier to do for the NFL than for college. Some of it may have to do with the fact that college is still regional, even if the conference regions do not make geographic sense. Regardless of the reason, college football is playing a losing game if it is seen as challenging the NFL.

 

[WoadBlue]

4.3 million people did.

Which means what to you? Do you think that those numbers will; always remain? Is it possible that because that is a first time BT match up that the numbers may be high due to novelty?


What I think it is most is what we allows saw with Miami at Cal. That was Cal's first full sell out since the days of Pete Carroll bringing a Top 5 SC to Berkeley. The TV nub era allowed through the roof for Cal, much better that any of the SEC or BT types would have ever thought possible unless Cal was also undefeated and ranked Top 10. Part of that is the novelty. But the other part is that we had in each a former Pac facing a team of some history and merit from EST. Pac people have always talked about East Coast bias, so much also that they have talked themselves into believing that teams in EST simply matter more if only because the media cares more about them.

AS the ACC tried to help the Pac see before the ACC even had a network, Pac teams need to play several teams in EST several times per year. If the 12 member Pac had made a full alliance with the ACC, then it would be fully alive today.

 

[Phillymoose]

It didn't even entice me to flip over for a brief look in. Now if it had about a Pac team vs. an Eastern independent or even a BT team, then I would have done that a few times.

What these two leagues and their Globalist corporation financiers miss is that key to most of CFB watching is 2 things: what you see as your 'regional' games (featuring YOUR team) and games between good teams from various regions against each other.

What we have is basically 3 plans for the future of Major College Football. 1) the BT/SEC plan, which is to destroy the Major status of all other conferences and take what they feel are the most valuable of their members, and then close ranks permanently. All money and prestige of Major CFB will be theirs. They have the backing of Globalist corporations to do this and thus can pull it off. 2) Project Rudy, which will have ACC and Big 12 as well as SEC and BT. That much larger group will then be closed. All games will be among those 4 leagues and their members. 3) The College Student Football League, which will end conferences as we know them and have 72 teams. Unlike Project Rudy, this one would have some minimal relegation and promotion.

Obviously, the worst of those for CFB is the BT/SEC plan. Of the other two, the one I think will never get any hearing from any SEC or BT schools, much less league offices, is College Student Football League. No way that either is going to abandon its league name and history and all the pride that goes with those things. Nor will they go along with any system that could mean one of their members gets demoted while a Bowling Green or UAB or Buffalo or Wyoming could get promoted.

If those backing the CSFL could all get behind Project Rudy, there might be a chance that something along those lines could get done.

Oh no!!
Not the 'globalist' 'financiers'!

 

[Bayside44]

Which means what to you? Do you think that those numbers will; always remain? Is it possible that because that is a first time BT match up that the numbers may be high due to novelty?


What I think it is most is what we allows saw with Miami at Cal. That was Cal's first full sell out since the days of Pete Carroll bringing a Top 5 SC to Berkeley. The TV nub era allowed through the roof for Cal, much better that any of the SEC or BT types would have ever thought possible unless Cal was also undefeated and ranked Top 10. Part of that is the novelty. But the other part is that we had in each a former Pac facing a team of some history and merit from EST. Pac people have always talked about East Coast bias, so much also that they have talked themselves into believing that teams in EST simply matter more if only because the media cares more about them.

AS the ACC tried to help the Pac see before the ACC even had a network, Pac teams need to play several teams in EST several times per year. If the 12 member Pac had made a full alliance with the ACC, then it would be fully alive today.

It means iconic teams playing in historic venues with grade A television production will get eyeballs