ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[kcsu]

My top choice is Arizona schools followed by Houston

 

[qdawgg]

i know its hard, because judging by your posts, most of you are completely stupid...but stop being stupid.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Nebraska supposedly is canceling their Tennessee series because they want 8 home games. I assume any potential B1G/SEC scheduling agreement would be after? Otherwise they are just shuffling the chairs around.

But this goes back to my point earlier that if they do agree to play each other, it will mean that SU won't be playing games vs Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers or any other P2 teams. Those schools will absolutely want 7 home games. That stinks.

For OOC there is still the B12 but any of the interesting/semi local matchups are likely to be taken by others.

West Virginia- Pitt
Cincy- Louisville
UCF- FSU or Miami

It is funny that we rarely played West of the Mississippi for many years, yet we might be playing several games a year out that way in the future.

Is there really a draw playing Utah, Colorado, Arizona State, Arizona, BYU, Iowa State, Kansas, K State, Okie State, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Houston?

 

[Toga]

Nebraska supposedly is canceling their Tennessee series because they want 8 home games. I assume any potential B1G/SEC scheduling agreement would be after? Otherwise they are just shuffling the chairs around.

But this goes back to my point earlier that if they do agree to play each other, it will mean that SU won't be playing games vs Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers or any other P2 teams. Those schools will absolutely want 7 home games. That stinks.

For OOC there is still the B12 but any of the interesting/semi local matchups are likely to be taken by others.

West Virginia- Pitt
Cincy- Louisville
UCF- FSU or Miami

It is funny that we rarely played West of the Mississippi for many years, yet we might be playing several games a year out that way in the future.

Is there really a draw playing Utah, Colorado, Arizona State, Arizona, BYU, Iowa State, Kansas, K State, Okie State, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Houston?

I would be interested in playing any of those teams.

 

[All4SU]

I think they have the 2nd biggest stadium and want to say they have the biggest.

Their video confirms the rebuilt area will feature the same erector set like skank setup with even worse seat lines. And no concern for fan comfort.

It is very Penn State.

Being “very Penn State” would mean expanding the showers.

 

[AcAndAc]

Nebraska supposedly is canceling their Tennessee series because they want 8 home games. I assume any potential B1G/SEC scheduling agreement would be after? Otherwise they are just shuffling the chairs around.

But this goes back to my point earlier that if they do agree to play each other, it will mean that SU won't be playing games vs Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers or any other P2 teams. Those schools will absolutely want 7 home games. That stinks.

For OOC there is still the B12 but any of the interesting/semi local matchups are likely to be taken by others.

West Virginia- Pitt
Cincy- Louisville
UCF- FSU or Miami

It is funny that we rarely played West of the Mississippi for many years, yet we might be playing several games a year out that way in the future.

Is there really a draw playing Utah, Colorado, Arizona State, Arizona, BYU, Iowa State, Kansas, K State, Okie State, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Houston?

Nebraska needs an 8th home game because they are refurbishing stadium and will only have 30,000 seats. So an 8th game maximizes the gate. Or so they claim. Meanwhile, we are playing Tennessee, Penn State, Notre Dame, etc.

As for rivalries... SMU/TCU.

Maybe we just need to merge the conferences and get back to regional sanity. Syracuse-Kansas State is a perennial bowl game matchup, not a conference matchup.

 

[longtimefan]

The rivalry has already commenced. The Orange traveled to Berkeley and won in both Football and basketball this season.

 

[HtownOrange]

I think they have the 2nd biggest stadium and want to say they have the biggest.

Their video confirms the rebuilt area will feature the same erector set like skank setup with even worse seat lines. And no concern for fan comfort.

It is very Penn State.

Thanks, Tom. Good assessment. To each his own, but then I was never a fan of PSU and was further removed from PSU fandom once the molestation scandal unfolded, like most on this site.


P.S. not a fan of the apparent free floating upper deck. The video makes the build look like it is cheap/on a shoestring budget. It's nice t o see Rutgers has some influence in the B1G, though this is limited to stadium design.

 

[phreddie]

I think they have the 2nd biggest stadium and want to say they have the biggest.

Their video confirms the rebuilt area will feature the same erector set like skank setup with even worse seat lines. And no concern for fan comfort.

It is very Penn State.

Well, they're doing it for pee state fans, who will happily pay for those seats. The worse their experience, the better.

 

[WoadBlue]

My top choice is Arizona schools followed by Houston

What makes the AZ schools potentially so valuable to the ACC is that both have large numbers of students from CA and both have large numbers of alums living in CA, most of them in southern CA. So the AZ schools would help the ACC gain value from having Calford, while also being valuable in and off themselves for attractive programs historically at large AAU state schools.

In going more into TX, I would focus on adding to the DFW TV market's unique value. The Texas State fair is not in the state capital but in Big D because Big D is simply that important to all TX and the entire Southwest. Double down on Big D presence rather than trying to get a toehold in Houston.

 

[AcAndAc]

What makes the AZ schools potentially so valuable to the ACC is that both have large numbers of students from CA and both have large numbers of alums living in CA, most of them in southern CA. So the AZ schools would help the ACC gain value from having Calford, while also being valuable in and off themselves for attractive programs historically at large AAU state schools.

In going more into TX, I would focus on adding to the DFW TV market's unique value. The Texas State fair is not in the state capital but in Big D because Big D is simply that important to all TX and the entire Southwest. Double down on Big D presence rather than trying to get a toehold in Houston.

So you are saying TCU. Kind of weird if Baylor/Texas Tech are left out for SMU/TCU. So be it.

 

[Scooch]

A question to everyone playing fantasy Game of Thrones about schools from the Big 12... do you think any of that adds incrementally to the per-school payout of a new media deal?

 

[WoadBlue]

So you are saying TCU. Kind of weird if Baylor/Texas Tech are left out for SMU/TCU. So be it.

Not necessarily. But TCU and SMU are the only 2 schools located within the DFW TV market that have ever been in a Major conference.

But TTU also would help with DFW because that is a large state school, and the TV market with the largest number of TTU alums is DFW. Baylor is located just south of the DFW TV market, and I think it also has more alums living there than in any other TV market. So all 3 of them would add to the ACC having a say across DFW.

 

[WoadBlue]

A question to everyone playing fantasy Game of Thrones about schools from the Big 12... do you think any of that adds incrementally to the per-school payout of a new media deal?

None would add what a PSU would, obviously,but several would add. I think the 4 AAU schools in MT would add nicely and provide an avenue for the ACC to grow a totally new fan base in a region it has never had fans before. Cincy should add TV value from the start because OH is so large, and Cincy is clearly the #2 sports program and overall state university in a state that large and that central to all football history.

 

[WoadBlue]

Pat Forde goes off on the latest BT and SEC machinations

 

[Toga]

A question to everyone playing fantasy Game of Thrones about schools from the Big 12... do you think any of that adds incrementally to the per-school payout of a new media deal?

Maybe not but it would likely cement ACC's status as Conference #3 and strikes a dagger in the Big 12.

 

[Scooch]

None would add what a PSU would, obviously,but several would add. I think the 4 AAU schools in MT would add nicely and provide an avenue for the ACC to grow a totally new fan base in a region it has never had fans before. Cincy should add TV value from the start because OH is so large, and Cincy is clearly the #2 sports program and overall state university in a state that large and that central to all football history.

I hate to disappoint everyone, but no one in the B12 is going to add incrementally to the per-school payout of the ACC. None. I mean that literally.

Maybe not but it would likely cement ACC's status as Conference #3 and strikes a dagger in the Big 12.

I think the ACC and B12 should work cooperatively. Look, we all know that sometime between tomorrow and 2036 a bunch of schools are going to leave the ACC. UNC, UVA, Clemson, FSU, probably Miami, Duke and a couple others as well.

At that point the best option is for the Leftover ACC and the Big 12 to merge.

 

[Cusefan69]

Again it will be fascinating what ESPN and Fox do with B12. Both of them are going to likely have to pay more to their B10 and SEC renewals and in theory a whole lot of money could get pulled to support those respective B10 and SEC renewals from B12 which ends in 30/31 season. Jumping over to the ACC for 6 more years of higher payouts will be enticing. If schools like Arizona or Utah even sniff ESPN and Fox pulling back, I would think ACC could easily at that point cherry pick the B12.

 

[Toga]

Again it will be fascinating what ESPN and Fox do with B12. Both of them are going to likely have to pay more to their B10 and SEC renewals and in theory a whole lot of money could get pulled to support those respective B10 and SEC renewals from B12 which ends in 30/31 season. Jumping over to the ACC for 6 more years of higher payouts will be enticing. If schools like Arizona or Utah even sniff ESPN and Fox pulling back, I would think ACC could easily at that point cherry pick the B12.

Be the hammer not the nail.

 

[WoadBlue]

I hate to disappoint everyone, but no one in the B12 is going to add incrementally to the per-school payout of the ACC. None. I mean that literally.


I think the ACC and B12 should work cooperatively. Look, we all know that sometime between tomorrow and 2036 a bunch of schools are going to leave the ACC. UNC, UVA, Clemson, FSU, probably Miami, Duke and a couple others as well.

At that point the best option is for the Leftover ACC and the Big 12 to merge.

Ready to toss in the towel, are you?. I think that the ACC can act in ways that make certain it is the 3rd richest conference and close to enough to BT and SEC to keep competitive even in football. I do not think both ACC and Big 12 can do that - only 1 of them.

AS to ESPN's part in that: as Fox owns half the Big 12 rights, it is in ESPN's favor if the ACC can poach top value from the Big 12, because then ESPN gets all that, leaving Fox with a 2nd league worth no more than the new Pac.

 

[WoadBlue]

Be the hammer not the nail.

And remember that Utah has twice very publicly made it clear that it has beef with the Big 12. Utah is far from happy there. And I have read in about 3 sources that Utah has never even signed the fulll Big 12 GOR. So I think Utah can be pulled into the ACC. Utah worked very hard to get AAU status, and Utah's academic brass would love nothing better than getting back paired up with Calford, especially as that now would mean being in the same league with east Coast Elite schools as well.

If Utah is going to bolt, then you can bet that UofA, ASU, and UC all will be open to following.

The ACC can pull that off. But it needs ESPN to back an ACC larger than 17 which is truly National - teams in all 4 Continental time zones.

 

[HtownOrange]

Not necessarily. But TCU and SMU are the only 2 schools located within the DFW TV market that have ever been in a Major conference.

But TTU also would help with DFW because that is a large state school, and the TV market with the largest number of TTU alums is DFW. Baylor is located just south of the DFW TV market, and I think it also has more alums living there than in any other TV market. So all 3 of them would add to the ACC having a say across DFW.

Do you know geography? Waco (Baylor) is much closer to DFW than Lubbock. TTU is a anything but an academic powerhouse with no influence in any major market. U of H is in the #6 DMA (Houston) and has a respectable academic ranking. Lubbock is a mid-size market with no surrounding population of significance.

For someone who wants large state land grant schools, selecting TCU over U of H makes no sense. Further, recommending a lower ranked school than Louisville and WVU with no influence in the state makes no sense. I am not fighting for U of H, but making your arguments does not help the ACC. At least Baylor can afford to buy into the ACC, TTU cannot.

 

[Orangefizz]

good take. I would also want to add Cincinatti if possible although I'm not sure if they would be an accretive acquisition for the league. Probably but not sure. I also like San Diego State and Houston as they both should add value.

UNLV also in the West. There are plenty of teams to create a western division to pair with the ACC east

Stanford
Cal
Arizona
ASU
Utah
Colorado
Kansas
Oregon St
Washington St
UNLV
SMU
Houston

Boston College
UConn
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Louisville
Virginia Tech
NC State
Duke/Wake
Georgia Tech
Miami

 

[Toga]

UNLV also in the West. There are plenty of teams to create a western division to pair with the ACC east

Stanford
Cal
Arizona
ASU
Utah
Colorado
Kansas
Oregon St
Washington St
UNLV
SMU
Houston

Boston College
UConn
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Louisville
Virginia Tech
NC State
Duke/Wake
Georgia Tech
Miami

I know you meant to say UCF instead of UConn.

 

[Orangefizz]

I know you meant to say UCF instead of UConn.

I’d add UCF if Miami gets an invite to the Big Ten