ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[kcsu]

Utah, Houston., Both Arizona schools, CU, Cincy

 

[JeffCuse]

It would be a trip if my son's Arizona Wildcats are in the same conference as Syracuse. My only ask...change the conference name at that point? Tired of the jokes writing themselves. American Coastal Conference with Atlantic and Pacific Divisions.

 

[Toga]

It would be a trip if my son's Arizona Wildcats are in the same conference as Syracuse. My only ask...change the conference name at that point? Tired of the jokes writing themselves. American Coastal Conference with Atlantic and Pacific Divisions.

Bear Down

 

[BomberOrange]

The rivalry has already commenced. The Orange traveled to Berkeley and won in both Football and basketball this season.

And as we all know…Cal is still in any game we play!

 

[FireballPhil]

UNLV also in the West. There are plenty of teams to create a western division to pair with the ACC east

Stanford
Cal
Arizona
ASU
Utah
Colorado
Kansas
Oregon St
Washington St
UNLV
SMU
Houston

Boston College
UConn
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Louisville
Virginia Tech
NC State
Duke/Wake
Georgia Tech
Miami

I would personally take out one of the Arizona schools, probably ASU, and replace them with Iowa State. They bring more eyeballs than people know. They would dominate the Des Moines market, get a good portion of both the quad cities and also Kansas City (no Kansas doesn't dominate that market, Iowa State is ahead of them IMO). St. Louis is slightly in play but it is more a Missou lean. Even in areas such as Cedar Rapids and Waterloo they are predominant over the Hawkeyes. I don't know anyone in the Dubuque area but with the right push there are a bunch of eyeballs there for the taking. You could really see some growth right here in the heart of Big-10 country.

 

[phsyra]

The ACC sucks...we are not adding any teams...get a grip people...its over after 2031

 

[Orangefizz]

The ACC sucks...we are not adding any teams...get a grip people...its over after 2031

Why would you say it’s over? What will happen is some type of merger between the remaining ACC and big 12 teams

 

[HtownOrange]

The ACC sucks...we are not adding any teams...get a grip people...its over after 2031

Nah, we have until 2036. FSU is in the red, not Rutgers territory, yet far enough that the overspending AD cannot save enough to buy back their TV rights early and pay the exit fee. Yo know, the exit fee FSU demanded be increased to lock schools in and now cries to too high.

 

[JeffCuse]

I would personally take out one of the Arizona schools, probably ASU, and replace them with Iowa State. They bring more eyeballs than people know. They would dominate the Des Moines market, get a good portion of both the quad cities and also Kansas City (no Kansas doesn't dominate that market, Iowa State is ahead of them IMO). St. Louis is slightly in play but it is more a Missou lean. Even in areas such as Cedar Rapids and Waterloo they are predominant over the Hawkeyes. I don't know anyone in the Dubuque area but with the right push there are a bunch of eyeballs there for the taking. You could really see some growth right here in the heart of Big-10 country.

Arizona and Arizona State are not separating. Zero chance.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

The ACC sucks...we are not adding any teams...get a grip people...its over after 2031

I'll be almost 70.

Like I'll still give a crap. I'll be in a cabin deep in the woods with no internet access.

 

[JeffCuse]

Why would you say it’s over? What will happen is some type of merger between the remaining ACC and big 12 teams

Agree. Now, if you want to argue it will fall farther behind the big 2, that is a fair take. But I'd say even until 2040 or so the ACC will exist, at worst, as a 1B tier conference slightly below the big 2 and well above the group of 5. Now VERY long range there is more cause for concern. But I see at least 15 more years of something in the vicinity of the current power structure.

 

[WoadBlue]

I would personally take out one of the Arizona schools, probably ASU, and replace them with Iowa State. They bring more eyeballs than people know. They would dominate the Des Moines market, get a good portion of both the quad cities and also Kansas City (no Kansas doesn't dominate that market, Iowa State is ahead of them IMO). St. Louis is slightly in play but it is more a Missou lean. Even in areas such as Cedar Rapids and Waterloo they are predominant over the Hawkeyes. I don't know anyone in the Dubuque area but with the right push there are a bunch of eyeballs there for the taking. You could really see some growth right here in the heart of Big-10 country.

When I lived in old Big 8 county try many years ago, I came to really like Iowa St fans. They are quite passionate. The problem for the ACC is that Iowa St is a clear #2 schools and #2 fan base in a smaller state that produces little talent, especially in football. That is not an optimum addition for the ACC, and that before we even think about maximizing ISU's value likely means you also need its remains old Big 8 rivals: KU, K-St, and OK St. if my choice is that quartet or some TX schools or the MT AAU schools, the old Big 8 schools came in third place.

 

[WoadBlue]

Arizona and Arizona State are not separating. Zero chance.

Plus, a key part of the value of having them is their alumni base living in CA.

 

[WoadBlue]

Do you know geography? Waco (Baylor) is much closer to DFW than Lubbock. TTU is a anything but an academic powerhouse with no influence in any major market. U of H is in the #6 DMA (Houston) and has a respectable academic ranking. Lubbock is a mid-size market with no surrounding population of significance.

For someone who wants large state land grant schools, selecting TCU over U of H makes no sense. Further, recommending a lower ranked school than Louisville and WVU with no influence in the state makes no sense. I am not fighting for U of H, but making your arguments does not help the ACC. At least Baylor can afford to buy into the ACC, TTU cannot.

Yes, I know where Waco is, which is the reason I said the Baylor TV market is just barely south of DFW. What I said about TTU is that the TV market in which the largest number of TTU alums live is DFW - not Lubbock. It does not matter how far Lubbock is from Dallas when all those TTU alums live in the DFW Metroplex.

TCU alums and other sports boosters have been raising funds to get promoted upward since the dissolution of the SWC. They lack the billionaire power of the couple of biggest SMU boosters, but they can make a fund raising fight in a finger snap that Houston could never dream of puling off over several years.

It is not either private school, Baylor or TCU, that I see as potentially good value for the ACC; it is having all that presence across DFW that I know is worth a good deal for ACC football.

 

[Consigliere]

It would be a trip if my son's Arizona Wildcats are in the same conference as Syracuse. My only ask...change the conference name at that point? Tired of the jokes writing themselves.

So kind of like rest of the P4 with the Big 12 with 16 schools, the Big 10 with 18 schools and the Southeastern Conference with schools in Missouri, Oklahoma and Texas? If conference names made sense they would go broke buying new stationary every year when the next round of realignment falls in place!

 

[JeffCuse]

So kind of like rest of the P4 with the Big 12 with 16 schools, the Big 10 with 18 schools and the Southeastern Conference with schools in Missouri, Oklahoma and Texas? If conference names made sense they would go broke buying new stationary every year when the next round of realignment falls in place!

I hear you. For some reason though, no one blinks an eye at Rutgers traveling to Seattle. But Syracuse and Stanford? Omg yoo much travel!!!

 

[KaiserUEO]

I'll be almost 70.

Like I'll still give a crap. I'll be in a cabin deep in the woods with no internet access.

before you go, leave me the address, i have a whole list of posters here who will keep you company...because they also should be in a cabin deep in the woods with no internet access.

 

[baggerbob]

I'll be almost 70.

Like I'll still give a crap. I'll be in a cabin deep in the woods with no internet access.

If I'm around will be turning 85 in 2031, hopefully still have enough energy to bowl and follow Syracuse Sports.

 

[FireballPhil]

When I lived in old Big 8 county try many years ago, I came to really like Iowa St fans. They are quite passionate. The problem for the ACC is that Iowa St is a clear #2 schools and #2 fan base in a smaller state that produces little talent, especially in football. That is not an optimum addition for the ACC, and that before we even think about maximizing ISU's value likely means you also need its remains old Big 8 rivals: KU, K-St, and OK St. if my choice is that quartet or some TX schools or the MT AAU schools, the old Big 8 schools came in third place.

I am not sure where you get ISU is a clear #2 school, it is not. Years ago that may be true, when I moved to Iowa in 1992 Hawkeyes were indeed king. It has changed drastically, especially in the last 10 years as ISU put more priority into hiring for their sports teams. The engineering and vet programs have flourished while the Hawkeyes claim the medical hospital. Ames has continued to grow, while Iowa City remains stagnant, although the hospital continues to grow. The Des Moines are in general continues to grow, and as ISU teams continue to succeed, their fan base has expanded over the years. The Kansas City region has become a second home to ISU in very similar fashion that NYC historically has been to SU. Also, OK St is no where considered to be a rival anymore, although both Kansas teams still get their fair of hype but no where near what it used to be. The clear top 4 in the Big 12 are Kansas, Houston, Iowa State, and Arizona when you combine both basketball and football. After them I would put BYU and Baylor. Then both Texas schools then the rest. It is a fun conference to watch and has become extremely competitive over the last decade. Bottom line is don't take what used to be and believe it still to be true today.

 

[hoopsupstate]

I'll be almost 70.

Like I'll still give a crap. I'll be in a cabin deep in the woods with no internet access.

Me too, but I have internet access and I still give a crap