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ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

Big 10 has 2 things going for it in its pursuit of PAC teams.

1- geography. Much closer to the west coast and easier travel

2- there contract only goes until 2030-2031 season. 5 years earlier than the ACC’s GOR.

Sec runs to 2033/2034
Big ten runs to 2029/2030
ACC runs to 2035-2036

I could very much see pac 12 members wanting a short term stay in the big 12 so they have the ability to jump at the next set of contracts/expansion. Where as if they come into the ACC I would assume they would have to agree to the GOR and then they are locked in until 2036.
 
Expansion thus far has been stealthy. The fact that we hear about the B12 going for the Corners likely makes it untrue. The P12 has better brands, fanbases, and markets. Could we see them grab Kansas, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Houston?

The XII is now seen as a stable conference because the B1G/SEC have no reason to poach any of its remaining teams. To be charitable for what now should be considered a G5 conference, the value of the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

The question for the Pac corner schools is whether it would be better to join the XII now or wait and see what the B1G's next move is. I would hazard to guess that an invitation would be still be there in five years when the B1G is negotiating its next media deal.
 
The XII is now seen as a stable conference because the B1G/SEC have no reason to poach any of its remaining teams. To be charitable for what now should be considered a G5 conference, the value of the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

The question for the Pac corner schools is whether it would be better to join the XII now or wait and see what the B1G's next move is. I would hazard to guess that an invitation would be still be there in five years when the B1G is negotiating its next media deal.

That is a great pitch. Come to the B12 no one else wants our schools. The B12 option will always be there for the P12 schools. No reason to jump now.
 
This may move some needles if the IVY is forced into athletic scholarships. Would they expand with more athletic central programs?

The eight schools that make up the Ivy League engage in illegal price-fixing by not awarding athletic scholarships, alleges a lawsuit filed Tuesday by current and former Brown University basketball players.

While all Division I athletic programs award financial aid to selected athletes, Brown, Harvard, Yale and the other Ivies have for years agreed to provide only need-based financial aid to students, including athletes. According to the suit, that agreement violates federal antitrust law, and harms recruited athletes who otherwise could have gotten scholarships covering tuition and fees, or been eligible for reimbursement on thousands of dollars of other school-related expenses under National Collegiate Athletic Association regulations.
 
While the Ivies' policy may hurt revenue sport athletes, it helps Olympic sport athletes because of the low numbers of allowable scholarships in comparison to the roster sizes of those sports.

Question from Judge Hoo's That to the players' attorney, "Your clients knew the situation up front. If they thought it's unfair why didn't they go to a school that did offer scholarships?" And if the answer comes back as I think it will regarding the quality of the education, "Oh, so they want to have their cake and eat it, too? If the ruling goes in your favor you're telling me I have to require they give athletic scholarships?"
You would need to require all athletes get scholarships. Walk ons. Partials. No way the court does that. It would also kill a lot of sports.
 
Im trying to figure out which of the 2 PAC 10 schools he'd lop off here.
I didn’t listen. He said only take 8? If that is the case I think you leave out WSU and Oregon State. They are dead weight. But 24 (14+8) is harder to schedule.
 
If they aren’t part of the deal then the merger would be a waste.
this is true depending on what type of merger, if it was just the accn thing it would be ok
 
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So we have UConn to ACC chatter and PAC10/ACC chatter. What if both are happening? UConn joins the ACC as #15 in FB and #16 in BBall. That will make scheduling easy for all involved. The PAC10 teams play one ACC FB team a year and 3-4 ACC BBall teams a year. The two leagues pool their content for the TV contract but remain separate outside of the scheduling agreement.

In FB, combined the two would offer ESPN 40 PAC10 conference games, 60 ACC conference games, 10 PAC10 vs ACC games, 3 Notre Dame games (5 ACC games + Stanford), 12 PAC10/ACC vs B1G/B12/SEC games, and any G5 home games. That comes out to 100 conference games, 22 intersectional games, and 3 ND games for a total of 125 P5 FB games. Also the ACCN would have games from noon until 2am.

In BBall, combined the two would offer 90 PAC10 conference games, 160 ACC conference games, 32 PAC10 vs ACC games, and any other home games. That comes out to 250 conference games, and at a minimum 32 intersectional games for a total of 282 P5 BBall games.

For FB scheduling the PAC10 would play only 8 games, so they play 8 out of 9 teams in a given year. If you split the conference into two groups of 5, you end up playing the 4 teams in your group yearly, one cross over yearly, and the other 4 teams you play 3x over 4 years. So splitting it up geographically and allowing every team a Cali game...

Group A
Washington, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington State, Cal

Group B
Utah, Arizona, Arizona State, Stanford, Colorado

If they wanted to they could even have a PAC10 CG with one team from each group, or they could just take the top 2 teams.

The ACC for FB scheduling can use 4 permanent rivals and rotate the rest of the teams. So you play everyone home and away over 5 years. That is way better than the old 12 years but not as nice as the future 4 years. Also it adds back some of the lost rivals from the division to 3 perm system switch. SU would most likely get UConn as our 4th team, and if we are lucky FSU grabs BC or UConn instead of us so we get them off our yearly. Then we can get someone like Virginia Tech or Miami.

For the PAC10 and ND games you can split the ACC geographically. So three groups made up of one Southern team, one NC team, one Mid-Atlantic team, one Northeastern team, and one Western team. That keeps ND happy as they get a little of everything yearly. So we would have something like...

Group A
Clemson, Duke, Georgia Tech, BC, Virginia Tech

Group B
UNC, Cuse, Louisville, Miami, UVA

Group C
FSU, Pitt, NC State, Wake, UConn

Year 1 ND gets ACC Group A, PAC10 Group A gets ACC Group B, and PAC10 Group B gets ACC Group C. Then year 2 ND gets ACC Group B, PAC10 Group A gets ACC Group C, and PAC10 Group B gets ACC Group A. Finally year 3 ND gets ACC Group C, PAC10 Group A gets ACC Group A, and PAC10 Group B gets ACC Group B.

For the PAC10 vs ACC games you can go by prior year standings. For instance in that year 1 we would see based off of last year something like...

UNC vs Washington
Cuse vs Oregon
Louisville vs Oregon State
Miami vs Washington State
Cal vs UVA
FSU vs Utah
Pitt vs Arizona
NC State vs Arizona State
Wake vs Stanford
UConn vs Colorado

In theory you could be playing the same team again 3 years later. Alternatively you could allow ESPN to pick the matchups within each group. For example Oregon and Miami would play instead. But that increases the risk of duplicate games in 3 years.

I suppose if they agreed to rotate, it isn't so bad. Especially if ESPN offers more money. For example they can group and rotate Oregon, Washington, Miami, UNC and then rotate the rest amongst each other. That would prevent us from seeing the same PAC10 team over and over. So we would see Cal, Oregon State, and Washington State one time each over 9 years, but never see Oregon or Washington.

Or they could just do a pure rotation. So over 15 years we play every PAC10 team once.

In BBall the PAC10 would play everyone in conference both home and away. The ACC you can split into four regions. You play everyone once, your region a 2nd time, and then you leave 2 games for either a cross over rival (like UNC and UVA) or for ESPN to schedule at will. The groups would be...

Northeast
Cuse, UConn, BC, Notre Dame

West
Louisville, Pitt, Virgina Tech, UVA

Carolina
UNC, Duke, NC State, Wake

South
Miami, FSU, Georgia Tech, Clemson

For the PAC10 vs ACC games the ACC teams get one home game and one away game. They get one team from each of the prior PAC10 FB Groups. That will allow you to play every PAC10 over 5 years and everyone home and away over 10 years. As an example SU would see something like...

Year 1/6: Washington and Utah
Year 2/7: Oregon and Arizona
Year 3/8: Oregon State and Arizona State
Year 4/9: Washington State and Stanford
Year 5/10: Colorado and Cal

For the PAC10, 8 of the teams would be playing 3 ACC teams and 2 of the teams would be playing 4. The ACC teams would have 22 games between conference and PAC10. While the PAC10 would have 21 or 22 games between conference and ACC.

I think these moves would be the best thing for all involved, at least until the end of the GOR. It also would make the ACC and PAC10 clearly ahead of the B12 financially.
 
I don’t get the Gonzaga to the B12 chatter. To make it worthwhile for the B12 schools they are going to need at least $1M more each. To make it worth it for Gonzaga, they are going to need close to $10M. There is no way Gonzaga brings $20M to the table.
 
I don’t get the Gonzaga to the B12 chatter. To make it worthwhile for the B12 schools they are going to need at least $1M more each. To make it worth it for Gonzaga, they are going to need close to $10M. There is no way Gonzaga brings $20M to the table.
The thought is they would break up basketball and football. Each would be its own package.
 
Ok and how does Gonzaga bring $20M to that package?
Because apparently they are recruiting big east teams. To be the best basketball conference. Just passing along the info. Who knows if it will or could happen. But it wouldn’t all come together until their next contract and by that time who knows what the landscape will be
 
Because apparently they are recruiting big east teams. To be the best basketball conference. Just passing along the info. Who knows if it will or could happen. But it wouldn’t all come together until their next contract and by that time who knows what the landscape will be
I have read the Zags will join after the Tourney which will probably pull in the 4 corners teams. The BigEast doesn't have a contract so they are vulnerable. I read that the Big12 is exploring a UCONN, St John's, Nova, Gtown eastern pod.
 
I have read the Zags will join after the Tourney which will probably pull in the 4 corners teams. The BigEast doesn't have a contract so they are vulnerable. I read that the Big12 is exploring a UCONN, St John's, Nova, Gtown eastern pod.
I get where UConn would like this arrangement but don’t see how it would help Nova, Gtown or St John’s. They wound loose the BET and series with PC and Seton Hall. Really abandon those schools. They would have a lot more travel costs and I don’t see a network paying a lot for new BE basketball.

Gtown and St John’s have been bad for a long time and it looks like Nova is joining them. UConn would hurt B12 football.

I am hearing the new contract for the BE will not be a significant bump in revenue. Little inferest. This sounds like a play to boost interest in the conference so they can make decent money on the next contract.
 
I get where UConn would like this arrangement but don’t see how it would help Nova, Gtown or St John’s. They wound loose the BET and series with PC and Seton Hall. Really abandon those schools. They would have a lot more travel costs and I don’t see a network paying a lot for new BE basketball.

Gtown and St John’s have been bad for a long time and it looks like Nova is joining them. UConn would hurt B12 football.

I am hearing the new contract for the BE will not be a significant bump in revenue. Little inferest. This sounds like a play to boost interest in the conference so they can make decent money on the next contract.
Well, JB CousCuse says stuff.
 
I have read the Zags will join after the Tourney which will probably pull in the 4 corners teams. The BigEast doesn't have a contract so they are vulnerable. I read that the Big12 is exploring a UCONN, St John's, Nova, Gtown eastern pod.
Going to a 21+ school hybrid isn’t sustainable.

For the Bug East teams IMO they would make more money by adding Gonzaga, Saint Mary’s, San Francisco, Loyola Marymount, St Louis. Maybe Denver and San Diego as well.

That makes the Big East national. Non BBall sports can separate by region. UConn would be the only non private, and most of the privates are Catholic.

East
Providence, UConn, St Johns, Seton Hall, Nova, GTown

Central
Xavier, Butler, DePaul, Marquette, St Louis, Creighton

West
Gonzaga, San Francisco, Saint Mary’s, Loyola Marymount, San Diego, Denver
 

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