ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[HRE Otto IV]

Saw this on the Kook board. My comments in BOLD.

FOOTBALL WINS - PAST 10 SEASONS

BIG 12 Their best programs are the new ones with 4 of Top 6. That can't be good for the future. No teams at a 9+ W avg.
89 - Oklahoma State
86 - Cincinnati (AAC)
86 - UCF (AAC)
81 - BYU (IND)
80 - TCU
80 - Houston (AAC)
78 - Baylor
75 - Kansas State
66 - West Virginia Added travel and little success
58 - Texas Tech
54 - Iowa State
23 - Kansas Ouch

ACC Look at the mediocrity parity
121 - Clemson
83 - Florida State They have been down and still are #2
75 - Miami Ditto as #3
75 - Pittsburgh
74 - Louisville (AAC-1)
72 - NC State
69 - Virginia Tech
67 - North Carolina
65 - Duke
63 - Wake Forest
59 - Boston College
56 - Georgia Tech
50 - Syracuse
50 - Virginia

BIG TEN
116 - Ohio State
92 - Wisconsin
86 - Iowa
86 - Michigan
85 - Penn State
81 - Michigan State
81 - USC (Pac 12)
75 - Minnesota
65 - UCLA (Pac 12)
60 - Northwestern
56 - Nebraska
52 - Maryland (ACC-1)
51 - Indiana
45 - Illinois
45 - Purdue
39 - Rutgers (AAC-1) LOL

PAC 12 No teams at 9+ Ws and 40% of the conference avg's 5 Ws or less!
89 - Oregon
83 - Utah
82 - Washington
73 - Stanford
67 - Washington State
66 - Arizona State
50 - Arizona
49 - California
45 - Oregon State
44 - Colorado

SEC
126 - Alabama
109 - Georgia
103 - Oklahoma (Big 12)
90 - LSU
79 - Auburn
79 - Texas A&M
75 - Florida
75 - Mississippi State
70 - Mississippi
70 - Missouri
69 - Texas (Big 12) They step up in competition. At least they are used to losing.
68 - Tennessee
66 - Kentucky
64 - South Carolina
52 - Arkansas
43 - Vanderbilt

AAC Such a weak conference now.
86 - Florida Atlantic (CUSA)
81 - Memphis
69 - Navy (IND-2) Do they really make a lot more money? Do they need the money vs having freedom? The have the same schedule every year. no room for changes OOC. Go Indy.
63 - UTSA (CUSA)
58 - UAB (CUSA-8) ----- 8 seasons total
58 - Temple
58 - North Texas (CUSA)
57 - SMU And the P10 wants them?
56 - Tulane (CUSA-1)
54 - East Carolina (CUSA-1)
50 - South Florida They are a head scratcher. They rose so fast in the Big East but AAC they stink.
48 - Tulsa (CUSA-1)
43 - Rice (CUSA)
29 - Charlotte (CUSA-8) ----- 8 seasons total If that is correct how in the hell did they get an invite?

MWC
94 - Boise State
87 - San Diego State They are a sneaky good program in both sports. Why isn't the B12 looking at them? Even before the USC/UCLA raid, adding San Diego State and one of Memphis/USF made so much sense for the B12 to be 14.
74 - Air Force
70 - Fresno State
70 - Utah State
58 - Nevada
57 - Wyoming
53 - Colorado State
50 - Hawaii
46 - San Jose State
38 - New Mexico
36 - UNLV Attractive market but horrible team

 

[CuseCactus]

Saw this on the Kook board. My comments in BOLD.

FOOTBALL WINS - PAST 10 SEASONS

BIG 12 Their best programs are the new ones with 4 of Top 6. That can't be good for the future. No teams at a 9+ W avg.
89 - Oklahoma State
86 - Cincinnati (AAC)
86 - UCF (AAC)
81 - BYU (IND)
80 - TCU
80 - Houston (AAC)
78 - Baylor
75 - Kansas State
66 - West Virginia Added travel and little success
58 - Texas Tech
54 - Iowa State
23 - Kansas Ouch

ACC Look at the mediocrity parity
121 - Clemson
83 - Florida State They have been down and still are #2
75 - Miami Ditto as #3
75 - Pittsburgh
74 - Louisville (AAC-1)
72 - NC State
69 - Virginia Tech
67 - North Carolina
65 - Duke
63 - Wake Forest
59 - Boston College
56 - Georgia Tech
50 - Syracuse
50 - Virginia

BIG TEN
116 - Ohio State
92 - Wisconsin
86 - Iowa
86 - Michigan
85 - Penn State
81 - Michigan State
81 - USC (Pac 12)
75 - Minnesota
65 - UCLA (Pac 12)
60 - Northwestern
56 - Nebraska
52 - Maryland (ACC-1)
51 - Indiana
45 - Illinois
45 - Purdue
39 - Rutgers (AAC-1) LOL

PAC 12 No teams at 9+ Ws and 40% of the conference avg's 5 Ws or less!
89 - Oregon
83 - Utah
82 - Washington
73 - Stanford
67 - Washington State
66 - Arizona State
50 - Arizona
49 - California
45 - Oregon State
44 - Colorado

SEC
126 - Alabama
109 - Georgia
103 - Oklahoma (Big 12)
90 - LSU
79 - Auburn
79 - Texas A&M
75 - Florida
75 - Mississippi State
70 - Mississippi
70 - Missouri
69 - Texas (Big 12) They step up in competition. At least they are used to losing.
68 - Tennessee
66 - Kentucky
64 - South Carolina
52 - Arkansas
43 - Vanderbilt

AAC Such a weak conference now.
86 - Florida Atlantic (CUSA)
81 - Memphis
69 - Navy (IND-2) Do they really make a lot more money? Do they need the money vs having freedom? The have the same schedule every year. no room for changes OOC. Go Indy.
63 - UTSA (CUSA)
58 - UAB (CUSA-8) ----- 8 seasons total
58 - Temple
58 - North Texas (CUSA)
57 - SMU And the P10 wants them?
56 - Tulane (CUSA-1)
54 - East Carolina (CUSA-1)
50 - South Florida They are a head scratcher. They rose so fast in the Big East but AAC they stink.
48 - Tulsa (CUSA-1)
43 - Rice (CUSA)
29 - Charlotte (CUSA-8) ----- 8 seasons total If that is correct how in the hell did they get an invite?

MWC
94 - Boise State
87 - San Diego State They are a sneaky good program in both sports. Why isn't the B12 looking at them? Even before the USC/UCLA raid, adding San Diego State and one of Memphis/USF made so much sense for the B12 to be 14.
74 - Air Force
70 - Fresno State
70 - Utah State
58 - Nevada
57 - Wyoming
53 - Colorado State
50 - Hawaii
46 - San Jose State
38 - New Mexico
36 - UNLV Attractive market but horrible team

And there it is. In black and white - no arguing against the numbers. We are LAST in wins in our conference. At least Rutgers has less! Going back to my cave now for a couple of months.

 

[Cuse'91]

And there it is. In black and white - no arguing against the numbers. We are LAST in wins in our conference. At least Rutgers has less! Going back to my cave now for a couple of months.

Well, I consider us 2nd to last. Tied with UVa; except they did it in a significantly weaker Coastal Division.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[kcsu]

espn will get the tier 1 streaming next and maybe fs in third spot. Expect some games between ACC and Pac

 

[Cusean]

 

[djorange1989]

Hey if Swaim says it’s true.. just one question: who the fluck is Swaim?

 

[qdawgg]

Hey if Swaim says it’s true.. just one question: who the fluck is Swaim?

He’s the Shamwow guys older brother

 

[Cusefan69]

He’s the Shamwow guys older brother

Holy Crap lol!

 

[texascpa]

So, in 48 hours we've gone from extending ACC Commissioner Jim Phillips and having an airtight GOR to "several exit options"? Give me a break.

 

[CousCuse]

So, in 48 hours we've gone from extending ACC Commissioner Jim Phillips and having an airtight GOR to "several exit options"? Give me a break.

He is going to finish the job.

 

[djorange1989]

So, in 48 hours we've gone from extending ACC Commissioner Jim Phillips and having an airtight GOR to "several exit options"? Give me a break.

Never question the Swaim. He’s like the Zohan

 

[HRE Otto IV]

The logic makes no sense. Why would the SEC not want into NC and VA? I do think if UNC accepts a B16 invite Duke goes also. B16 does care somewhat about academic value and BBall brand of Duke. I think SU, BC, and maybe Pitt will end up going along with ND. Whether that is B1G, SEC, B12, or a revamped ACC. Wake would need to pray that the ACC stays together.

If we don't get a B16 or SEC invite I prefer seeing us in the below ACC.

FB: SU, BC, Pitt, Duke, Wake, USF, Nova, UConn, Army, Navy
BBall: SU, BC, Pitt, Duke, Wake, USF, Nova, UConn, St Johns, Georgetown

We could make the FB playoffs in that conference. I think NET (TV money, ticket sales, travel costs, ACC exit fees, ACC BBall credits, CFB Playoff split) would be basically the same in this ACC vs in a Franken B12.

 

[ECE '76]

Life after an ACC raid:

With all this speculation about whether the ACC will be raided, or even gutted, I still think the remnants of the ACC will continue on as the ACC as an all-sports conference.

The most likely not to be invited into the Big2 in order:
Wake
BC
SU
Louisville
Duke
Pitt
NC State
VaTech
Next Tier: UVA, GaTech

I believe there is a decent chance that as many as 10 ACC schools will remain, although possibly not the precise list above.

One question is, would a remnant ACC be better for each ACC school than joining the Franken Big 12? Louisville, for example.

Another is, would a remnant ACC be a better fit for some current Big 12 schools? WVU, UCF, Cincinnati for example.

One lesson from the old Big East is, having 7 or 8 schools in close geographic proximity is all that is required for an athletic conference. The Big East was never so intense and such a TV spectacle as when there were only 7 to 9 schools (playing both home and away in basketball). Over bloating a conference without any big names in it only dilutes the TV revenue. That is the Big 12 if ACC schools join them.

Looking at the earlier post above about the current conferences, a couple schools stick out as poor fits in their conferences: WVU and Temple. The remnant ACC could surely attract them, and UConn (who has no home for their football program). So even if the ACC only had say just 5 surviving members, getting to 7 or 8 is very achievable. I'd expect the ACC would go after UCF and Cincinnati as well. The attraction is the path for getting into the football playoffs, and less travel for their non-football sports compared to the Big 12.

Also, I would expect the remnant ACC to merge with the remnant Pac12 for football only. This would be a way to have more of a national draw for TV viewers for football, which both remnant conferences would be looking for.

Who knows what ND would do, but it is also possible they would want to continue to be hybrid ACC for their non-football sports, and be willing to continue to play 5 games a year vs the Pac/ACC FB members. Who cares, really. I'm not concerned about them.

 

[All4SU]

How does anyone believe that the future is two conferences?

 

[kcsu]

I hope that this is all BS but if not i want to see SU in an eastern centric league that still has a bid to the playoffs

 

[sutomcat]

Hey if Swaim says it’s true.. just one question: who the fluck is Swaim?

He is one of those nuts who posts garbage he makes up regularly on twitter.

He has been wrong dozens of times. Not sure he has ever been right on anything.

 

[HtownOrange]

He is one of those nuts who posts garbage he makes up regularly on twitter.

He has been wrong dozens of times. Not sure he has ever been right on anything.

To add to your point, I checked his site, I won’t soil our fan site with his manure link- I’m being generous. Anyway, the post is nothing more that stating known facts and adding plenty of pure speculation and innuendo. There is no reference to a source, nor mention that there is a source, or even a source speaking in code alluding to mystical thing that may happen, just nonsense (read:#%$&!).

Stick with facts, stay away from anything that sounds magical, forget anything where the networks voluntarily lose money, and where universities become cold hard for-profit corporations because of sports conferences which account for 5%-10% of their budget.

 

[CousCuse]

No way a league can continue with such deep divisions among it's members. Just a few years ago the ACC was almost equal to the SEC and the B1G, now it's closer to the Mountain West. A house divided can not stand.

 

[HtownOrange]

No way a league can continue with such deep divisions among it's members. Just a few years ago the ACC was almost the SEC and the B1G, now it's closer to the Mountain West. A house divided can not stand.

Please enlighten us. Please include several levels of analysis to include geography, alumni dispersement, history, etc. Please include substantive references (conference personnel, university personnel, network personnel, key media with proven track records) and exclude no substantive references (Internet speculators, fake sources, unproven media personnel, unsourced “insiders”, etc.).

I am not slamming you,I am asking four honest assessment.

 

[djorange1989]

He is one of those nuts who posts garbage he makes up regularly on twitter.

He has been wrong dozens of times. Not sure he has ever been right on anything.

So you’re saying he is very consistent

 

[CousCuse]

Please enlighten us. Please include several levels of analysis to include geography, alumni dispersement, history, etc. Please include substantive references (conference personnel, university personnel, network personnel, key media with proven track records) and exclude no substantive references (Internet speculators, fake sources, unproven media personnel, unsourced “insiders”, etc.).

I am not slamming you,I am asking four honest assessment.

You mean as to why it's closer to the MWC? That's just a general statement of public perception. It's clearly below the SEC and the B1G and if the Big12 can add some of the large state schools from the PAC, then they would be the number 3 conference. A large number of schools want out of the ACC and are actively scheming to that end, that is not good.

 

[baggerbob]

Please enlighten us. Please include several levels of analysis to include geography, alumni dispersement, history, etc. Please include substantive references (conference personnel, university personnel, network personnel, key media with proven track records) and exclude no substantive references (Internet speculators, fake sources, unproven media personnel, unsourced “insiders”, etc.).

I am not slamming you,I am asking four honest assessment.

The problem with the conference is the same it has always been. North Carolina, NC State, Duke, and Wake Forest. It serves their interests above the others in the conference.
The Big 12, and Pac 10 had the same problem, one state has too much influence over decisions impacting the conference.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

He is one of those nuts who posts garbage he makes up regularly on twitter.

He has been wrong dozens of times. Not sure he has ever been right on anything.

Even his tweet admits that he is guessing. He only said his sources claim ACC schools are looking into leaving in the future. He didn't say who or when. Then he made up the rest.

 

[djorange1989]

The only accurate thing he said is that SU and BC wouldn’t be left homeless in this currently fictional scenario. The Big 12 would definitely want us, and either the B12 or B10(probably B12) would want BC too