ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[Consigliere]

So if we add UConn and UMass, ESPN will pay us $80 million more per year?

I don't think so.

Well, UMass and UConn aren't P5 or G5, so...

Replace them with Buffalo and Akron and it still makes your point, but even if true, it does nothing for the current membership.

 

[SU68]

And, the PGA Tour and LIV will never see eye to eye, let alone ever be partners. Oh wait...

You mean that Saudi oil money is coming to the ACC?

 

[kcsu]

Brett McMurphy says this in the case. As far as I know, he is the source of this info.

Here is a link to his article.

McMurphy: ACC at Crossroads as 'Magnificent 7' Seeks More Revenue

Check out Brett McMurphy's column about where the ACC sits as the "Magnificent 7" schools seek more revenue or a way out of the conference.

www.actionnetwork.com

The nugget appears near the end of the story. I have copied and pasted the relevant section...

What can the ACC do as a league?

The only way the ACC can receive significantly more money from ESPN is by expanding. Sources told Action Network that if the ACC adds additional teams — whether from the Power 5 or Group of Five — ESPN contractually must pay the ACC a pro-rata amount for each new member.

This is correct with one caveat. The amount of money added for each new team may end up being dilutive to the whole. So yes, in theory they do pay more but unless the new adds take less it will most likely reduce the overall amount each team receives.

 

[CU44SE]

Just because they would get an equal share doesn’t mean it makes sense for the conference to add just anyone and dilute the product. You also have to factor in travel and expenses. The ACC is not trying to stay status quo. They need to grow. To grow they need to add the right people, not just anyone.

 

[orangecuse]

You mean that Saudi oil money is coming to the ACC?

Perhaps, a Syracuse power that be or two can convince this alum to rethink/tweak a bit of his future donations to the benefit of SU?

Billionaire Saudi prince, SU alum Alwaleed bin Talal vows to donate $32 billion fortune

A Saudi prince wants to fight disease, expand electricity and advance woman's rights with his fortune.

www.syracuse.com

 

[CarolinaCuse]

 

[HtownOrange]

Talking heads on here or in the media? Not sure which is crazier.

All I am saying is that conference realignment is not over and if the pac12 can flounder with so much writing on the wall that at least 7 ACC teams want to leave too, it would make sense for the cuse administration to at least have a backup plan if that does happen. If the Big 12 does want to expand to the NE w/ UConn better cuse than Pitt or BC.

I get your point. Please recall that SU was vetted by the B1G, as were Pitt, ND and several others. However, the ACC offered first and SU accepted catching the B1G off guard to the point they believed they had to take Rutgers. SU never mentioned the B1G or the ACC and made the move to everyone's surprise. Historically speaking, and observing many other SU decisions, I believe SU is on top of the matter, to a greater extent than most on here would believe.

The seven teams are blowing smoke, if they could have made a move, they would have done so already. Attorneys who specialize in this type of law have analyzed the GOR and ESPN's options and not one recommendation or theory of how the GOR May be broken in an economically reasonable fashion has been put forth. This has been discussed and is resolved by lack of action. Only internet talkers, on this site and throughout the internet, keep the idea of breaking the GOR alive.

 

[HtownOrange]

You mean that Saudi oil money is coming to the ACC?

When starting rumors, always go BIG!*


* NOT B1G!

 

[HtownOrange]

Just because they would get an equal share doesn’t mean it makes sense for the conference to add just anyone and dilute the product. You also have to factor in travel and expenses. The ACC is not trying to stay status quo. They need to grow. To grow they need to add the right people, not just anyone.

Nor does it mean ESPN would agree to the new teams. People forget that ESPN capped the payout but likely held on to the right to approve/disapprove to dissuade expansion for the sake of expansion.

 

[sutomcat]

Sounds like a good hire for ND.

He would have been the ideal guy to take over the PGA of the rumors about the current CEO are true.

 

[MSOrange]

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[CarolinaCuse]

I’m sorry, but USC and UCLA in the B1G is stupid. That is all.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Penn State cannot be happy. They lose the Ohio State home game in 2025 and get stuck with a 2024 home slate of Indiana, Purdue, Rutgers, and Wisconsin. That is an awful home schedule. They also have to fly across country in both 2024 and 2025. And they lose a road game in Maryland in 2024 where half the crowd will be their fans.

You would think that the B16 will go to a 3 + 6/6 model. If that is the case then based on the next two years Penn State is looking at USC, Michigan State, and Rutgers.

By team the protected games the next 2 years:

Illinois- Northwestern, Ohio State, Purdue
Indiana- Maryland (?), Purdue, Michigan State
Iowa- Nebraska, Wisconsin, Minnesota
Maryland- Rutgers, Indiana (?), Michigan (?)
Michigan- Ohio State, Maryland (?), Michigan State
Michigan State- Indiana, Michigan, Penn State
Minnesota- Nebraska, Wisconsin, Iowa
Nebraska- Minnesota, Iowa, UCLA
Northwestern- Illinois, Purdue, Ohio State (?)
Ohio State- Michigan, Northwestern (?), Illinois
Penn State- USC, Michigan State, Rutgers
Purdue- Northwestern (?), Illinois, Indiana
Rutgers- Maryland, Penn State, UCLA (?)
UCLA- USC, Nebraska, Rutgers (?)
USC- UCLA, Wisconsin, Penn State (?)
Wisconsin- Minnesota, Iowa, USC


LMAO Ohio State loses Penn State, don't play USC or UCLA annually, and gets Northwestern yearly?

How the heck does Purdue get that? Why give them Northwestern?

USC got screwed big time. They now have Notre Dame, UCLA, Wisconsin, and Penn State yearly.

 

[Orangefan1]

Penn State needs to leave the Big Ten!

 

[Chris02M]

Penn State cannot be happy. They lose the Ohio State home game in 2025 and get stuck with a 2024 home slate of Indiana, Purdue, Rutgers, and Wisconsin. That is an awful home schedule. They also have to fly across country in both 2024 and 2025. And they lose a road game in Maryland in 2024 where half the crowd will be their fans.

You would think that the B16 will go to a 3 + 6/6 model. If that is the case then based on the next two years Penn State is looking at USC, Michigan State, and Rutgers.

By team the protected games the next 2 years:

Illinois- Northwestern, Ohio State, Purdue
Indiana- Maryland (?), Purdue, Michigan State
Iowa- Nebraska, Wisconsin, Minnesota
Maryland- Rutgers, Indiana (?), Michigan (?)
Michigan- Ohio State, Maryland (?), Michigan State
Michigan State- Indiana, Michigan, Penn State
Minnesota- Nebraska, Wisconsin, Iowa
Nebraska- Minnesota, Iowa, UCLA
Northwestern- Illinois, Purdue, Ohio State (?)
Ohio State- Michigan, Northwestern (?), Illinois
Penn State- USC, Michigan State, Rutgers
Purdue- Northwestern (?), Illinois, Indiana
Rutgers- Maryland, Penn State, UCLA (?)
UCLA- USC, Nebraska, Rutgers (?)
USC- UCLA, Wisconsin, Penn State (?)
Wisconsin- Minnesota, Iowa, USC


LMAO Ohio State loses Penn State, don't play USC or UCLA annually, and gets Northwestern yearly?

How the heck does Purdue get that? Why give them Northwestern?

USC got screwed big time. They now have Notre Dame, UCLA, Wisconsin, and Penn State yearly.

Penn State is supposedly the only bigten team without a protected rival

 

[Chris02M]

 

[djorange1989]

Rutgers fans probably thought the new schedule might help them. Look at that 2024 schedule. I see exactly zero conference wins for them. Shame.

 

[Chris02M]

Rutgers fans probably thought the new schedule might help them. Look at that 2024 schedule. I see exactly zero conference wins for them. Shame.

Who?

 

[kcsu]

Who?

Al

 

[BomberOrange]

Maryland vs rutgirls is a rivalry?? Ummm ok

 

[HRE Otto IV]

So it is a coincidence that Penn State’s prior rivalries with Michigan State and Rutgers remain in 2024 and 2025? They really are rotating out? That is officially what the B16 said or media assumption?

The easiest thing to do while at 16 teams is 3+6/6. Why wing it?

 

[SmilinBob]

So it is a coincidence that Penn State’s prior rivalries with Michigan State and Rutgers remain in 2024 and 2025? They really are rotating out? That is officially what the B16 said or media assumption?

The easiest thing to do while at 16 teams is 3+6/6. Why wing it?

That seems to open the door for Pitt if this is the case, Big 10 tried to make MSU and then Maryland a thing but just like the term "fetch" it just didn't happen.

 

[Chris02M]

 

[gmoney44]

I wish we would go to the Big with ND, Pitt, BC. Throw in games with Penn St, Maryland and Rutgers. I think that is far more appealing then the ACC and the Carolina Mafia.