ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[HRE Otto IV]

It's not 75% for membership changes, rather 75% to add a new member.

To kick out as well I believe

 

[Eric15]

Kansas is a wild card. Their football ratings are horrible but a top basketball school. Would it be worth the gamble if the hoop team ever tanked? If it tanked long term they'd essentially be rutgers.

They haven't missed the tourney since 1989. This century they have never been lower than a 4 seed in the tourney. Kansas's hoop program might be literally the safest bet in sports.

 

[PhatOrange]

They haven't missed the tourney since 1989. This century they have never been lower than a 4 seed in the tourney. Kansas's hoop program might be literally the safest bet in sports.

I agree and I’d invite them on hoops alone but at some point they’re going to miss on a hire. I suppose they will never really tank but if their hoops were at Syracuse level right now theyd be a bottom feeder program since their football team has no ratings or national following.

 

[orangeinjersey]

 

[Toga]

Just take SMU. Split their would be share for the next 5-6 years. Still get some evening ACC telecasts. Not as far to travel as NoCal. Some recruiting opportunities in Texas. Geographically more proximate to B12 members we may be interested in circa 2030.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Perhaps if ND cares so much they can help the cause by becoming a full ACC member.

 

[kcsu]

If the ACC adds Cal, Stanford, and SMU, that is adding 3 schools that have very poor football drawing power. Yes, Stanford draws well when playing ND and SC, like even BC and Wake would. Stanford vs. Wake or BC or Cuse, or Pitt or GT? Nothing. Poor TV numbers.

If the ACC adds that trio, it will only spur FSU and Clemson to leave even sooner.

That is baloney

 

[DocFlanders]

oh my

Geez ND is preachy. Especially with their motto that what's good for the goose is not necessarily good for the gander crap

 

[Madbiker]

That's because you are ignorant of ACC history and its present. Everybody but a few old BE types is damning UNC fort not leaving the ACC, for wanting to hang on way past time just to have that power in its old league it cannot have in SEC or BT. Those people know UNC much better than you do.

I think UNC has been consistent in wanting the ACC to remain as true as possible to its original southern roots. Isn't that why they keep opposing expansion? Including against most of the former Big East schools?

 

[OrangeBlood]

So sick of holier than thou ND. Either join or leave. ACC gave you place to play in 2020 and home for your Olympics.

Funny thing is, ND will chase the money and join B10 in next ten years…

 

[Madbiker]

If the ACC adds Cal, Stanford, and SMU, that is adding 3 schools that have very poor football drawing power. Yes, Stanford draws well when playing ND and SC, like even BC and Wake would. Stanford vs. Wake or BC or Cuse, or Pitt or GT? Nothing. Poor TV numbers.

If the ACC adds that trio, it will only spur FSU and Clemson to leave even sooner.

I don't think ESPN is going to allow the SEC to plunder the ACC and drastically diminish its value during the term of the ACC contract. The gain to the SEC would not be worth the decline of the ACC to them. I don't see Clemson/FSU being at the top of the desired targets of the B1G. They seem to value UNC/UVA higher and a better geographic fit with the eastern presence they are building. So where are Clemson/FSU going in the short term? No good options for them. They should focus on making the ACC better and getting more revenue where they are.

 

[syrBossHogg]

This is all so short sighted yet par for the course for big business minds in this country

 

[dasher]

That is baloney

Yeah, that is baloney. If those schools could break the GOR, they would already have done that. If they ever do leave the ACC, it will have nothing to do with Stanford and Cal either being in the league or not being in the league.

 

[Admiral Koga]

This is all so short sighted yet par for the course for big business minds in this country

This is only partially true. If Ahia St. and USC were 10-1 and 11-0, the NYC metro might be all over it. If its 8-2 Ahia St. vs 6-4 USC, I doubt it too many people would skip Christmas shopping or whatever to tune in.

The NFL can survive this for many reasons...the northeast is more pro sports centric and everybody plays fantasy football.

 

[texascpa]

Perhaps if ND cares so much they can help the cause by becoming a full ACC member.

This is the only answer.

 

[syrBossHogg]

This is only partially true. If Ahia St. and USC were 10-1 and 11-0, the NYC metro might be all over it. If its 8-2 Ahia St. vs 6-4 USC, I doubt it too many people would skip Christmas shopping or whatever to tune in.

The NFL can survive this for many reasons...the northeast is more pro sports centric and everybody plays fantasy football.

Yeah and when interest gets killed as you laid it out, the current TV execs/school presidents/commissioners will be getting out with their bloated paydays and it'll be up to the next group to clean up the mess.

 

[TexanMark]

If the ACC adds Cal, Stanford, and SMU, that is adding 3 schools that have very poor football drawing power. Yes, Stanford draws well when playing ND and SC, like even BC and Wake would. Stanford vs. Wake or BC or Cuse, or Pitt or GT? Nothing. Poor TV numbers.

If the ACC adds that trio, it will only spur FSU and Clemson to leave even sooner.

Cuse in football draws TV numbers similar to UNC.

 

[RF2044]

The more this gets messier, the more I am coming around to what Brian Kelley suggested [even though he murdered a kid, he makes an astute observation].

His idea was to dispense with conferences for football, while keeping them for every other sport. All 65 P5 schools should become independent, as part of one giant conference.

This frees everybody up to play whoever they want, while simultaneously preserving rivalry games. Teams that want to play more regional games can, teams that want to play bigger national games are similarly free to do so without conference scheduling restrictions.

Travel won't be a problem, since football only plays once a week [which isn't true of other sports, hence why regional conferences make more sense].

Problem is, there is no incentive for any P5 team to do this, given that they have guaranteed payouts from conference affiliation, whether they "earn" them or not through on-field performance or by bringing eyeballs to televised games. Well, all teams except for Oregon State and Washington State, apparently.

 

[CousCuse]

The more this gets messier, the more I am coming around to what Brian Kelley suggested [even though he murdered a kid, he makes an astute observation].

His idea was to dispense with conferences for football, while keeping them for every other sport. All 65 P5 schools should become independent, as part of one giant conference.

This frees everybody up to play whoever they want, while simultaneously preserving rivalry games. Teams that want to play more regional games can, teams that want to play bigger national games are similarly free to do so without conference scheduling restrictions.

Travel won't be a problem, since football only plays once a week [which isn't true of other sports, hence why regional conferences make more sense].

Problem is, there is no incentive for any P5 team to do this, given that they have guaranteed payouts from conference affiliation, whether they "earn" them or not through on-field performance or by bringing eyeballs to televised games. Well, all teams except for Oregon State and Washington State, apparently.

Yea, coaches might want to just stick to coaching.

 

[Sherman20]

Rumor: UConn willing to pay money and receive no TV revenue for several years to join

The upper crust G5 is getting desperate

I like the idea of adding UConn. Gives us a legit basketball rival, a northeast compliment to Duke-UNC in the south.

 

[CuseLegacy]

I like the idea of adding UConn. Gives us a legit basketball rival, a northeast compliment to Duke-UNC in the south.

But it does nothing for football. This musical chairs of realignment is all about football.

 

[orangenauburn]

But it does nothing for football. This musical chairs of realignment is all about football.

You are correct.

Jim Mora did a hell of a job their last year, and probably will do so again this year.

And then he will be on to bigger and better things and who knows where that will leave UConn football.

 

[dasher]

The more this gets messier, the more I am coming around to what Brian Kelley suggested [even though he murdered a kid, he makes an astute observation].

His idea was to dispense with conferences for football, while keeping them for every other sport. All 65 P5 schools should become independent, as part of one giant conference.

This frees everybody up to play whoever they want, while simultaneously preserving rivalry games. Teams that want to play more regional games can, teams that want to play bigger national games are similarly free to do so without conference scheduling restrictions.

Travel won't be a problem, since football only plays once a week [which isn't true of other sports, hence why regional conferences make more sense].

Problem is, there is no incentive for any P5 team to do this, given that they have guaranteed payouts from conference affiliation, whether they "earn" them or not through on-field performance or by bringing eyeballs to televised games. Well, all teams except for Oregon State and Washington State, apparently.

Wasn't that Chip Kelly?

 

[RF2044]

Wasn't that Chip Kelly?

You're right -- assumed the other guy, since he was talking about Notre Dame.

At least Chip Kelley hasn't murdered any kids [that we are aware of].

 

[shandeezy7]

I think waiting it out for the Big12 GOR to expire and trying to pull

Oklahoma State,
Baylor,
TCU and
West Virginia...

would make for a pretty good ACC and would somewhat withstand the potential loss of FSU, Clemson, UNC and UVA ...

We all know money drives the bus but I'm not convinced that UNC and UVA would want to give up their conference standing by leaving.

Besides the schools above Texas Tech and Kansas St have decent football ratings followed by Cincy. Central Florida appears to be the best G5.

You could go super max and bring them all in with Central Florida.

Kansas is a wild card. Their football ratings are horrible but a top basketball school. Would it be worth the gamble if the hoop team ever tanked? If it tanked long term they'd essentially be rutgers.

Funny I named those exact 4 schools to my cuse group chat last night. I haven’t read all 190+ pages but is there a general consensus that the ACC screwed up by not plugging their noses and inviting WVU the first time around?