ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[SU68]

Don’t like the new proposal. Non conference champ at larges shouldn’t happen. Also it doesn’t address the CCG issue. Unless you have it be 2 vs 3 for the at large in the B12/ACC and 4 vs 5 in the B1G/SEC. That makes the CCG de facto playoff games.

Also they are not addressing the playoff travel issue. Need to change it to Semis not Quarters as the start of neutral. It also makes being a higher seed meaningful.

What does Notre Dane do? With 9 conference and one crossover OOC that leaves no room for B1G/SEC teams to play any other OOC games besides bought homes vs G5s. Notre dame will have a hard time getting a quality schedule. That is on top of there only being 1 at large spot available.

I don't believe that Notre Dame will ever have a hard time getting a quality schedule. Other schools will figuratively kill to get ND on their schedules.

 

[kcsu]

Not sure why everyone is sweating. We have over 10 years to let the dust settle. Syracuse will be in a good place by then. The extension ensures our relevance for a decade or more. Fox ESPN and the other media outlets are not going to let this money train end. Fox isn't going to outflank ESPN nor will ESPN outflank them. Having separate leagues and ND independence is good for college football and good for the Media companies. There might be a tweak here and there, but the playing field is set for the foreseeable future. Sit back and enjoy the ride.

 

[Hoo's That]

I don't believe that Notre Dame will ever have a hard time getting a quality schedule. Other schools will figuratively kill to get ND on their schedules.

The toughest part of scheduling for ND (and it was reported at the time of the announcement of the agreement with the ACC) was October and November when schools were in the middle of their conference schedules. Getting games in September were no sweat; everybody and their uncle wanted a game then. 2024's ACC games - Louisville 9/28; Ga Tech 10/19; FSU 11/9; UVa 11/16. 2025's - NCSU 10/4; BC 11/1; Pitt 11/15; SU 11/22. Stanford plays them in Oct (SB) in even years and Nov (California) in odd years.

 

[TerryD]

Not sure why everyone is sweating. We have over 10 years to let the dust settle. Syracuse will be in a good place by then. The extension ensures our relevance for a decade or more. Fox ESPN and the other media outlets are not going to let this money train end. Fox isn't going to outflank ESPN nor will ESPN outflank them. Having separate leagues and ND independence is good for college football and good for the Media companies. There might be a tweak here and there, but the playing field is set for the foreseeable future. Sit back and enjoy the ride.

Wow. Times must be changing if other fans start to claim that ND football independence is a neat idea.

Interesting.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I don't believe that Notre Dame will ever have a hard time getting a quality schedule. Other schools will figuratively kill to get ND on their schedules.

Are B1G and SEC schools really going to want to give up a gimme home game to play ND when they already have 9 conference games and 1 OOC against the other conference?

Why would Purdue, USC, Michigan State, Texas not look to pull out of future games? Why would any of those schools only want 6 home games and 11 out of 12 games vs P4 opponents? They actually lose money by having ND on the schedule. They don't need the prestigious game as they already have a schedule full of those types of games.

Which means ND is forced to play a schedule of mainly ACC and B12 teams as their P4 games.


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Taking ND out of the equation, this would also shut the ACC and B12 out of OOC games vs the B1G and SEC. The ACC would probably need to have a scheduling alliance with the B12.

Crazy that SU has nothing OOC scheduled in future seasons. We would likely lose Penn State. We would likely be shut out of games vs the B1G which IMO are the most attractive for us. No Maryland, Rutgers, Northwestern, etc.

From the B12 WV would likely get Pitt. Cincy likely Louisville. So we are left with unattractive and far games vs the rest of the B12. Fun.

At least we would be building a relationship with those b12 teams should there ever be a merger.

 

[HtownOrange]

Are B1G and SEC schools really going to want to give up a gimme home game to play ND when they already have 9 conference games and 1 OOC against the other conference?

Why would Purdue, USC, Michigan State, Texas not look to pull out of future games? Why would any of those schools only want 6 home games and 11 out of 12 games vs P4 opponents? They actually lose money by having ND on the schedule. They don't need the prestigious game as they already have a schedule full of those types of games.

Which means ND is forced to play a schedule of mainly ACC and B12 teams as their P4 games.

ESPN, Fox and NBC are likely to want those games. Your point stands from the individual schools' perspectives, though several schools will play anyone, anywhere. See ND future opponents:

Future Notre Dame Football Schedules | FBSchedules.com

View the Notre Dame football schedule for the 2025 season, plus future schedules and opponents at FBSchedules.com.

fbschedules.com

Ignore ACC, USC and Navy as they are routinely scheduled. Still an impressive list of good to great teams on ND's schedule.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

ESPN, Fox and NBC are likely to want those games. Your point stands from the individual schools' perspectives, though several schools will play anyone, anywhere. See ND future opponents:

Future Notre Dame Football Schedules | FBSchedules.com

View the Notre Dame football schedule for the 2025 season, plus future schedules and opponents at FBSchedules.com.

fbschedules.com

Ignore ACC, USC and Navy as they are routinely scheduled. Still an impressive list of good to great teams on ND's schedule.

Sure the networks want those games but they aren't actually paying for them. So what incentive is there for the B1G and SEC?

 

[HtownOrange]

Sure the networks want those games but they aren't actually paying for them. So what incentive is there for the B1G and SEC?

See the original post, I addressed this point:

"... several schools will play anyone, anywhere."

Then I referred you to their future schedules with solid to great teams. These teams think otherwise from your point, so the specific answer lies with each school yet we can conclude UM, UT, Arkansas, MSU, etc. find the game worth playing as none are forced to play ND. Even the ACC schools (other ACC schools would likely willingly play ND more often), USC and Navy are not forced to play ND.

 

[kcsu]

Wow. Times must be changing if other fans start to claim that ND football independence is a neat idea.

Interesting.

It is for the ACC. We have the best deal with ND unless they join our conference we dont want them leaving for the SEC or Big. They are a huge help to the ACC

 

[HRE Otto IV]

See the original post, I addressed this point:

"... several schools will play anyone, anywhere."

Then I referred you to their future schedules with solid to great teams. These teams think otherwise from your point, so the specific answer lies with each school yet we can conclude UM, UT, Arkansas, MSU, etc. find the game worth playing as none are forced to play ND. Even the ACC schools (other ACC schools would likely willingly play ND more often), USC and Navy are not forced to play ND.

Those games were scheduled pre 9 conference 1 cross over OOC. The SEC currently has 8 conference and 1 P4 OOC (that can be anyone and ND fits there). The B1G also has 1 P4 OOC (again ND fits).

You think Texas is going to want to play 9 SEC games, an upper B1G, Notre Dame in a single season? That decreases their chances at making the playoffs and it means only 6 home games the year they play at ND. They are used to playing 7 or 8 home games. That is money lost.

USC-ND was potentially going away before the B1G-SEC scheduling agreement. I doubt the game stays.

 

[HtownOrange]

Those games were scheduled pre 9 conference 1 cross over OOC. The SEC currently has 8 conference and 1 P4 OOC (that can be anyone and ND fits there). The B1G also has 1 P4 OOC (again ND fits).

You think Texas is going to want to play 9 SEC games, an upper B1G, Notre Dame in a single season? That decreases their chances at making the playoffs and it means only 6 home games the year they play at ND. They are used to playing 7 or 8 home games. That is money lost.

USC-ND was potentially going away before the B1G-SEC scheduling agreement. I doubt the game stays.

I'm not debating the matter, I merely agreed with your general point and provided evidence to the contrary to what we both generally agree ("Your point stands ...". Unless the schools cancel their games, the schools are freely choosing to play ND. I don't recommend reading too much into anything.

In response to your direct question, at this time, yes, UT does want to play ND with their schedule, if UT cancels then our general point stands. Likewise UM, MSU, et all.

 

[anomander]

Don’t like the new proposal. Non conference champ at larges shouldn’t happen. Also it doesn’t address the CCG issue. Unless you have it be 2 vs 3 for the at large in the B12/ACC and 4 vs 5 in the B1G/SEC. That makes the CCG de facto playoff games.

Also they are not addressing the playoff travel issue. Need to change it to Semis not Quarters as the start of neutral. It also makes being a higher seed meaningful.

What does Notre Dane do? With 9 conference and one crossover OOC that leaves no room for B1G/SEC teams to play any other OOC games besides bought homes vs G5s. Notre dame will have a hard time getting a quality schedule. That is on top of there only being 1 at large spot available.

Agree. 4 guaranteed spots for the SEC/B10 is stupid. Of course, SEC homer, Josh Pate loved it, but i think this is just another step towards the inevitable. The SEC/B10 will break either in 2031(?) or 20236(?) and form their own semi-pro conference. How many programs they take with them is yet to be seen but it has always pointed to this. By then the discrepancy in league payouts will have any ACC or B12 school for that matter just waiting for a call up to the big leagues.

For the nonce I really hope they did finalize this proposal. It would make scheduling with the SEC/B10 extremely hard, and could basically cut the ACC down to 1 school making the playoff, assuming ND stays at the level they are. It’s not hard to image 2 ACC schools having a playoff resume each year but going up against ND you’re already behind the 8 ball. This just shows the power those 2 conferences wield.

 

[KaiserUEO]

the problem with this land grant rules the roost idiots way of thinking is...the posters writing it cannot see the forest through the trees.

Football is KING. i think we can all agree on that.

but lets not for 1 second think Alabama is King, or Ohio St, or USC, or Michigan or Texas or LSU or that corrupt school ND...or the SEC or the B1G...whatever the pfhluck college team du jour is...the KING is the NFL.

and the NFL with 32 teams to feed, WILL NOT stand for 40 colleges to control the feeder system.

it must be double the 32 at a minimum and it likely will end up with the 70+ old P5 we last saw.

with the rest of the also rans and FCS and on down the line assuming their roles as always.

i know its hard, because judging by your posts, most of you are completely stupid...but stop being stupid.

as you stupidly were....

that is all.

 

[longtimefan]

the problem with this land grant rules the roost idiots way of thinking is...the posters writing it cannot see the forest through the trees.

Football is KING. i think we can all agree on that.

but lets not for 1 second think Alabama is King, or Ohio St, or USC, or Michigan or Texas or LSU or that corrupt school ND...or the SEC or the B1G...whatever the pfhluck college team du jour is...the KING is the NFL.

and the NFL with 32 teams to feed, WILL NOT stand for 40 colleges to control the feeder system.

it must be double the 32 at a minimum and it likely will end up with the 70+ old P5 we last saw.

with the rest of the also rans and FCS and on down the line assuming their roles as always.

i know its hard, because judging by your posts, most of you are completely stupid...but stop being stupid.

as you stupidly were...

that is all.

You were doing so well until the last 3 sentences.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

the problem with this land grant rules the roost idiots way of thinking is...the posters writing it cannot see the forest through the trees.

Now you're speaking my language!

 

[WoadBlue]

Agree. 4 guaranteed spots for the SEC/B10 is stupid. Of course, SEC homer, Josh Pate loved it, but i think this is just another step towards the inevitable. The SEC/B10 will break either in 2031(?) or 20236(?) and form their own semi-pro conference. How many programs they take with them is yet to be seen but it has always pointed to this. By then the discrepancy in league payouts will have any ACC or B12 school for that matter just waiting for a call up to the big leagues.

For the nonce I really hope they did finalize this proposal. It would make scheduling with the SEC/B10 extremely hard, and could basically cut the ACC down to 1 school making the playoff, assuming ND stays at the level they are. It’s not hard to image 2 ACC schools having a playoff resume each year but going up against ND you’re already behind the 8 ball. This just shows the power those 2 conferences wield.

Those 4 guaranteed for each are the key. They are agreeing to basically not compete against each other for playoff slots, and then to make it harder for ACC and Big 12 to get more than the 2. Having many SEC-BT OOC grams each year will be used as proof that their schedules are tougher, so any of their teams that are 9-3, maybe even 8-4, are definitely more deserving of the payoffs than any 10-2 ACC team.

The eventual goal of SEC and BT is to have total control of everything, and allow no one else more than a crumb.

The ACC going along quietly will guarantee its irrelevance before long. Either the ACC figures out and executes moves that both make its football quality better and a bigger TV draw, or else the ACC starts declining.

 

[Moontan]

Either the ACC figures out and executes moves that both make its football quality better and a bigger TV draw, or else the ACC starts declining.

Starts?

 

[All4SU]

I suppose we could jettison UNC a and NC State and bring in Uconn and East Carolina.

 

[sufandu]

Either the ACC figures out and executes moves that both make its football quality better and a bigger TV draw, or else the ACC starts declining.

I don't think this is a problem the conference can solve. It's the rabid obsession with football by fans/boosters that strengthen the B1G and SEC. The conference can't change fanbases, and, frankly, I don't want to be part of something that is supposed to be fun that I have to sell my soul to support. Change will only come if the alienated fanbases ignore the selfish conferences that want it all for themselves. To sports fans have the self control to turn off the TV when the bloated behemoths are the only option?

 

[WoadBlue]

I suppose we could jettison UNC a and NC State and bring in Uconn and East Carolina.

Have at it. But you might want to prove the supreme value of the northeast by adding Temple and maybe even Buffalo, as well as UMass, rather than ECU. Never give up thinking in Big East terms about CFB. That is the way of salvation.

And then you are the perfect match with the old guard ACC types who think Wake belongs. Some of them remain so out of touch even now that they are thinking that if the ACC must expand, then Tulane and Rice make the best sense. Nothing could be finer than many more small private schools. And they could just go wild: Tulsa is smaller than Wake, and it also is a private school.

The BE football mindset plus the Wake mindset: that'll get the job done.

 

[WoadBlue]

I don't think this is a problem the conference can solve. It's the rabid obsession with football by fans/boosters that strengthen the B1G and SEC. The conference can't change fanbases, and, frankly, I don't want to be part of something that is supposed to be fun that I have to sell my soul to support. Change will only come if the alienated fanbases ignore the selfish conferences that want it all for themselves. To sports fans have the self control to turn off the TV when the bloated behemoths are the only option?

It cannot be solved in terms of equaling the numbers of TV viewers for ACC football that BT nd SEC have. But that gap can be closed. However, to do so requires cutting dead weight and adding large state flagship and/or Land Grant schools.

You seem happy with the thought of the ACC doing nothing and becoming BE football Part 2. I want the ACC to survive as a Major conference.

 

[baggerbob]

It cannot be solved in terms of equaling the numbers of TV viewers for ACC football that BT nd SEC have. But that gap can be closed. However, to do so requires cutting dead weight and adding large state flagship and/or Land Grant schools.

You seem happy with the thought of the ACC doing nothing and becoming BE football Part 2. I want the ACC to survive as a Major conference.

A conference set up and run by 4 basketball schools was never going to last in a football frency world.
And being controlled by those schools on the same state was another mistake.
It's too late now to rectify.
Everyone currently needs to get better at football .

 

[HtownOrange]

A conference set up and run by 4 basketball schools was never going to last in a football frency world.
And being controlled by those schools on the same state was another mistake.
It's too late now to rectify.
Everyone currently needs to get better at football .

Including those in baby blue who have never done anything of note and do nothing in football considering their resources, recruiting, coaching, off-the-books money, co-classes requirement for STUDENT-athletes. UNCheat finished 12th of 17 in 2024. Of all the teams Woad believes should be removed from the ACC, only Wake Forest finished lower. Maybe when UNCheat actually does something in football others will listen.

 

[All4SU]

Have at it. But you might want to prove the supreme value of the northeast by adding Temple and maybe even Buffalo, as well as UMass, rather than ECU. Never give up thinking in Big East terms about CFB. That is the way of salvation.

And then you are the perfect match with the old guard ACC types who think Wake belongs. Some of them remain so out of touch even now that they are thinking that if the ACC must expand, then Tulane and Rice make the best sense. Nothing could be finer than many more small private schools. And they could just go wild: Tulsa is smaller than Wake, and it also is a private school.

The BE football mindset plus the Wake mindset: that'll get the job done.

Carolina mindset is why the ACC is where it is.

 

[sufandu]

It cannot be solved in terms of equaling the numbers of TV viewers for ACC football that BT nd SEC have. But that gap can be closed. However, to do so requires cutting dead weight and adding large state flagship and/or Land Grant schools.

You seem happy with the thought of the ACC doing nothing and becoming BE football Part 2. I want the ACC to survive as a Major conference.

I'm not happy about much of anything in college sports right now.

Adding large state flagship or land grant schools only changes things if they're football powerhouses. Are we poaching Alabama or Ohio State? Didn't think so. Who can we add that moves the needle?

The only thing that fixes this is that it burns to the ground and we start over. Ratings need to drop so that TV loses money and the stupidity stops. Do I expect that to happen? Absolutely not. We live in a land of addiction. Some are addicted to alcohol, some to gambling. Many are addicted to sports, and they will watch what the powers that be put in front of them. So the B1G and SEC will continue to get great ratings, not just because their fanbases are rabid but also because the fanbases of other leagues can't peel their eyeballs away. I didn't watch one conference SEC or B1G game this year (I'm doing the same with basketball). So, I think I did my part to even the playing field. There are millions of fans that have allegiance to schools outside the elite 2 that could do the same thing.