ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[Archbold44]

TV ratings are influenced by the school, their opponent, the network, and the time slot. Both Syracuse and Virginia Tech benefitted from playing an SEC school in week 0/1 which was by far their highest rated game of the season. And, both Syracuse and Virginia Tech benefitted by playing a Friday night game although the UNC/Syracuse game was the lowest rated ESPN Friday 7 PM game of the season so far.

I never liked the ACC payout system due to the many factors that can impact the ratings.

In the end, brand will rise to the top. FSU/Clemson in top 4. Miami/Ga Tech also in top 4. UNC is #5... which is why SEC/B1G are interested in them.

IMHO, the ACC is a trial run on a system that will spread to the other conferences. At some point, Ohio State HAS to say... why is Rutgers getting what we get? They have a duty to Ohio tax payers to maximize revenue, etc. How this works in the ACC will be interesting and is likely being watched elsewhere.

 

[SU68]

Other than Temple/Big East, when was the last time a team was kicked out of a major conference?

And I know, it's being generous calling the BE a major conference...

Just to refresh everyone's memory, Temple was not kicked out of the BE for on-field performance. It was kicked out for failing to meet the NCAA rule of a rolling average of 15,000 butts in the seats over a three-year period.

 

[orange79]

Just to refresh everyone's memory, Temple was not kicked out of the BE for on-field performance. It was kicked out for failing to meet the NCAA rule of a rolling average of 15,000 butts in the seats over a three-year period.

Yep. The BE set attendance requirements for them 3 years before they were kicked out. They never really even came close, IIRC.

 

[FloridaCuse]

 

[FloridaCuse]

 

[HtownOrange]

Conference champs get an AQ, everyone else gets there by invite.

The conference champ makes the regular season count. As does the open 11 bids. Though I am willing to concede every conference champ, anything that does not offer select conferences auto bids beyond the champ is an improvement.

 

[FloridaCuse]

 

[SU68]

Yep. The BE set attendance requirements for them 3 years before they were kicked out. They never really even came close, IIRC.

It was a NCAA requirement for BCS schools (and maybe FCS Div 1 too). All conferences had to comply.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

It was a NCAA requirement for BCS schools (and maybe FCS Div 1 too). All conferences had to comply.

If it still existed (or was enforced if it does still exist) there would be like 50 less FBS programs. Which IMO is better for the sport. Less OOC cupcakes.

 

[Scooch]

If it still existed (or was enforced if it does still exist) there would be like 50 less FBS programs. Which IMO is better for the sport. Less OOC cupcakes.

There were 18 schools that didn’t average 15K last season. Not sure about the 3 year average. But I don’t think we’d lose 50 schools. Probably 5 or 6 There were 5 schools under 10K last season. Anyone with a few thousand of 15K could monkey with the numbers to meet the threshold.

I agree with your broader point. I think we need 3 levels of D1 football, not 2.

 

[SU68]

If it still existed (or was enforced if it does still exist) there would be like 50 less FBS programs. Which IMO is better for the sport. Less OOC cupcakes.

The rule may have gone away when the NCAA lost control over the FBS teams.

 

[WoadBlue]

Conference champs get an AQ, everyone else gets there by invite.

The conference champ makes the regular season count. As does the open 11 bids. Though I am willing to concede every conference champ, anything that does not offer select conferences auto bids beyond the champ is an improvement.

You just do not understand where we are and why the SEC of all leagues would want this. The CFB post-season is NOPT run by the NCAA. Thus nothing the NCAA does in basketball or 1AA (FCS) football matters. Top Tier CFB will NEVER allow all league champs into its playoff. NEVER.

The SEC wants this step to get to the next point: the SEC routinely having 6 or 7 of 14 with ACC and Big 12 never getting more than 1 each. When they get things to that point, and the ACC has not made itself richer with TV viewers, the ACC will be very easily gutted. And then the SEC and BT will announce that they and they alone comprise the new Top Tier of CFB.

That is the desired end game for SEC and BT and presumably for ESPN and Fox and CBS and NBC.

 

[WoadBlue]

There were 18 schools that didn’t average 15K last season. Not sure about the 3 year average. But I don’t think we’d lose 50 schools. Probably 5 or 6 There were 5 schools under 10K last season. Anyone with a few thousand of 15K could monkey with the numbers to meet the threshold.

I agree with your broader point. I think we need 3 levels of D1 football, not 2.

There is going to be a new Top Tier almost certainly no later than the late 2030s. It may just be SEC and BT with maybe a total of 40-48 schools. Or it might be with the ACC also Top Tier with a total of maybe 60 teams. It may be also with the Big 12 and maybe a total of up to 75 teams. But a new Top Tier is coming.

That will mean that all other leagues now in D1A (FBS) will be Tier 2. I think then that many of the top 1AA (FCS) programs in terms of recent winning and fan support (UND, NDSU, USD, SDSU, UM, MSU, Idaho, Villanova, UC-Davis, Tarleton St, Southern Ill, etc.) will move up to compete against C-USA, MWC, and MAC teams, etc.

 

[WoadBlue]

That trying to cut everyone else out is THE reason they are going to do it.

 

[HtownOrange]

You just do not understand where we are and why the SEC of all leagues would want this. The CFB post-season is NOPT run by the NCAA. Thus nothing the NCAA does in basketball or 1AA (FCS) football matters. Top Tier CFB will NEVER allow all league champs into its playoff. NEVER.

The SEC wants this step to get to the next point: the SEC routinely having 6 or 7 of 14 with ACC and Big 12 never getting more than 1 each. When they get things to that point, and the ACC has not made itself richer with TV viewers, the ACC will be very easily gutted. And then the SEC and BT will announce that they and they alone comprise the new Top Tier of CFB.

That is the desired end game for SEC and BT and presumably for ESPN and Fox and CBS and NBC.

You really are as ignorant as you are arrogant.

Nobody mentioned hoops.

The SEC can want whatever they want. That does not fundamentally change the fact that if they earn 7 teams in the playoffs they deserve 7 teams.

If you believe the B1G sports writers and coaches will vote 7 SWC teams in the playoffs and not pull strings you really need to behave a guardian appointed for your self protection.

The SEC knows they cannot go it alone and the idea of 30-36 teams making an NFL lite is not going to work. That is straight from the SEC commissioner. But you ignore any and all facts that destroy your delusion.

Plus, ESPN needs programming, not gonna happen unless more teams have at least the reasonable appearance of a chance at the title. The top tier needs many teams to cover all fans.

You make crap up to prove a pointless point, credit the SEC with self serving motives but refuse to believe any other conference works the same way so everything must work for the SEC. You miss the point that self-serving conferences understand they are self-serving and going it alone is slicing their throat. This, the self-serving conferences will have to play well together on some level. Exactly what that level is remains to be seen but it won't be a 16-20 team SEC in a league of its own, you know, your dream.

Anyway, enjoy your delusion. Do not assume to know what any poster on this site knows or thinks while you make the Dude of WV look respectable.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Texas A&M's first season in the SEC was 2012. They have played UGA once as a member of the SEC. Texas joined in 2024 and will play UGA for the 3rd time this week.

 

[FloridaCuse]

Same as Coach K's prior idea. Just updated in a new article.

Coach K is intrigued by a proposed Big East and ACC merger to create a superconference

Krzyzewski dares leaders from the league to think boldly and hopes leaders in basketball will get with the same program

www.cbssports.com

 

[Archbold44]

Same as Coach K's prior idea. Just updated in a new article.

Coach K is intrigued by a proposed Big East and ACC merger to create a superconference

Krzyzewski dares leaders from the league to think boldly and hopes leaders in basketball will get with the same program

www.cbssports.com

Maybe if the ACC loses FSU and Clemson.

If we are going with a weird conference setup, why not build off the weirdness we already have. I am the ACC... I am seeing the current rift in the B1G and approaching Michigan and USC with 5-game deals like ND. Plus, they can play each other. That is 7 games. Those schools might even agree to 6 games with 2 against each other.

20 team basketball conference, with 17 football schools playing 9 games and 3 playing 5 games. Is that any worse than 16 teams playing 9 games, 1 playing 8, and ND playing 5? Can Michigan and USC put together an independent media deal approaching ND? If so, those two schools can start playing a ND-like schedule where they can go 10-2 and make the playoff, pocketing the playoff $$S all for themselves. Meanwhile, the ACC gets a few games of significant interest during the year.

At the very least, the offer would embolden Michigan and USC to fight against the B1G and private equity, which will be the final nail in the CFB coffin.