ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[Archbold44]

TV ratings are influenced by the school, their opponent, the network, and the time slot. Both Syracuse and Virginia Tech benefitted from playing an SEC school in week 0/1 which was by far their highest rated game of the season. And, both Syracuse and Virginia Tech benefitted by playing a Friday night game although the UNC/Syracuse game was the lowest rated ESPN Friday 7 PM game of the season so far.

I never liked the ACC payout system due to the many factors that can impact the ratings.

In the end, brand will rise to the top. FSU/Clemson in top 4. Miami/Ga Tech also in top 4. UNC is #5... which is why SEC/B1G are interested in them.

IMHO, the ACC is a trial run on a system that will spread to the other conferences. At some point, Ohio State HAS to say... why is Rutgers getting what we get? They have a duty to Ohio tax payers to maximize revenue, etc. How this works in the ACC will be interesting and is likely being watched elsewhere.

 

[SU68]

Other than Temple/Big East, when was the last time a team was kicked out of a major conference?

And I know, it's being generous calling the BE a major conference...

Just to refresh everyone's memory, Temple was not kicked out of the BE for on-field performance. It was kicked out for failing to meet the NCAA rule of a rolling average of 15,000 butts in the seats over a three-year period.

 

[orange79]

Just to refresh everyone's memory, Temple was not kicked out of the BE for on-field performance. It was kicked out for failing to meet the NCAA rule of a rolling average of 15,000 butts in the seats over a three-year period.

Yep. The BE set attendance requirements for them 3 years before they were kicked out. They never really even came close, IIRC.

 

[FloridaCuse]

 

[FloridaCuse]

 

[HtownOrange]

Conference champs get an AQ, everyone else gets there by invite.

The conference champ makes the regular season count. As does the open 11 bids. Though I am willing to concede every conference champ, anything that does not offer select conferences auto bids beyond the champ is an improvement.

 

[FloridaCuse]

 

[SU68]

Yep. The BE set attendance requirements for them 3 years before they were kicked out. They never really even came close, IIRC.

It was a NCAA requirement for BCS schools (and maybe FCS Div 1 too). All conferences had to comply.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

It was a NCAA requirement for BCS schools (and maybe FCS Div 1 too). All conferences had to comply.

If it still existed (or was enforced if it does still exist) there would be like 50 less FBS programs. Which IMO is better for the sport. Less OOC cupcakes.

 

[Scooch]

If it still existed (or was enforced if it does still exist) there would be like 50 less FBS programs. Which IMO is better for the sport. Less OOC cupcakes.

There were 18 schools that didn’t average 15K last season. Not sure about the 3 year average. But I don’t think we’d lose 50 schools. Probably 5 or 6 There were 5 schools under 10K last season. Anyone with a few thousand of 15K could monkey with the numbers to meet the threshold.

I agree with your broader point. I think we need 3 levels of D1 football, not 2.

 

[SU68]

If it still existed (or was enforced if it does still exist) there would be like 50 less FBS programs. Which IMO is better for the sport. Less OOC cupcakes.

The rule may have gone away when the NCAA lost control over the FBS teams.

 

[WoadBlue]

Conference champs get an AQ, everyone else gets there by invite.

The conference champ makes the regular season count. As does the open 11 bids. Though I am willing to concede every conference champ, anything that does not offer select conferences auto bids beyond the champ is an improvement.

You just do not understand where we are and why the SEC of all leagues would want this. The CFB post-season is NOPT run by the NCAA. Thus nothing the NCAA does in basketball or 1AA (FCS) football matters. Top Tier CFB will NEVER allow all league champs into its playoff. NEVER.

The SEC wants this step to get to the next point: the SEC routinely having 6 or 7 of 14 with ACC and Big 12 never getting more than 1 each. When they get things to that point, and the ACC has not made itself richer with TV viewers, the ACC will be very easily gutted. And then the SEC and BT will announce that they and they alone comprise the new Top Tier of CFB.

That is the desired end game for SEC and BT and presumably for ESPN and Fox and CBS and NBC.

 

[WoadBlue]

There were 18 schools that didn’t average 15K last season. Not sure about the 3 year average. But I don’t think we’d lose 50 schools. Probably 5 or 6 There were 5 schools under 10K last season. Anyone with a few thousand of 15K could monkey with the numbers to meet the threshold.

I agree with your broader point. I think we need 3 levels of D1 football, not 2.

There is going to be a new Top Tier almost certainly no later than the late 2030s. It may just be SEC and BT with maybe a total of 40-48 schools. Or it might be with the ACC also Top Tier with a total of maybe 60 teams. It may be also with the Big 12 and maybe a total of up to 75 teams. But a new Top Tier is coming.

That will mean that all other leagues now in D1A (FBS) will be Tier 2. I think then that many of the top 1AA (FCS) programs in terms of recent winning and fan support (UND, NDSU, USD, SDSU, UM, MSU, Idaho, Villanova, UC-Davis, Tarleton St, Southern Ill, etc.) will move up to compete against C-USA, MWC, and MAC teams, etc.

 

[WoadBlue]

That trying to cut everyone else out is THE reason they are going to do it.

 

[HtownOrange]

You just do not understand where we are and why the SEC of all leagues would want this. The CFB post-season is NOPT run by the NCAA. Thus nothing the NCAA does in basketball or 1AA (FCS) football matters. Top Tier CFB will NEVER allow all league champs into its playoff. NEVER.

The SEC wants this step to get to the next point: the SEC routinely having 6 or 7 of 14 with ACC and Big 12 never getting more than 1 each. When they get things to that point, and the ACC has not made itself richer with TV viewers, the ACC will be very easily gutted. And then the SEC and BT will announce that they and they alone comprise the new Top Tier of CFB.

That is the desired end game for SEC and BT and presumably for ESPN and Fox and CBS and NBC.

You really are as ignorant as you are arrogant.

Nobody mentioned hoops.

The SEC can want whatever they want. That does not fundamentally change the fact that if they earn 7 teams in the playoffs they deserve 7 teams.

If you believe the B1G sports writers and coaches will vote 7 SWC teams in the playoffs and not pull strings you really need to behave a guardian appointed for your self protection.

The SEC knows they cannot go it alone and the idea of 30-36 teams making an NFL lite is not going to work. That is straight from the SEC commissioner. But you ignore any and all facts that destroy your delusion.

Plus, ESPN needs programming, not gonna happen unless more teams have at least the reasonable appearance of a chance at the title. The top tier needs many teams to cover all fans.

You make crap up to prove a pointless point, credit the SEC with self serving motives but refuse to believe any other conference works the same way so everything must work for the SEC. You miss the point that self-serving conferences understand they are self-serving and going it alone is slicing their throat. This, the self-serving conferences will have to play well together on some level. Exactly what that level is remains to be seen but it won't be a 16-20 team SEC in a league of its own, you know, your dream.

Anyway, enjoy your delusion. Do not assume to know what any poster on this site knows or thinks while you make the Dude of WV look respectable.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Texas A&M's first season in the SEC was 2012. They have played UGA once as a member of the SEC. Texas joined in 2024 and will play UGA for the 3rd time this week.

 

[FloridaCuse]

Same as Coach K's prior idea. Just updated in a new article.

Coach K is intrigued by a proposed Big East and ACC merger to create a superconference

Krzyzewski dares leaders from the league to think boldly and hopes leaders in basketball will get with the same program

www.cbssports.com

 

[Archbold44]

Same as Coach K's prior idea. Just updated in a new article.

Coach K is intrigued by a proposed Big East and ACC merger to create a superconference

Krzyzewski dares leaders from the league to think boldly and hopes leaders in basketball will get with the same program

www.cbssports.com

Maybe if the ACC loses FSU and Clemson.

If we are going with a weird conference setup, why not build off the weirdness we already have. I am the ACC... I am seeing the current rift in the B1G and approaching Michigan and USC with 5-game deals like ND. Plus, they can play each other. That is 7 games. Those schools might even agree to 6 games with 2 against each other.

20 team basketball conference, with 17 football schools playing 9 games and 3 playing 5 games. Is that any worse than 16 teams playing 9 games, 1 playing 8, and ND playing 5? Can Michigan and USC put together an independent media deal approaching ND? If so, those two schools can start playing a ND-like schedule where they can go 10-2 and make the playoff, pocketing the playoff $$S all for themselves. Meanwhile, the ACC gets a few games of significant interest during the year.

At the very least, the offer would embolden Michigan and USC to fight against the B1G and private equity, which will be the final nail in the CFB coffin.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Updated window winners by Network

Noon
FOX has won 6 of 11 weeks. ABC has won 4, and ESPN has one.

330
CBS finally got on the board last week. ABC won the prior 10 weeks.

Primetime
ABC has won all 11.


Have to think FOX is happy with Big Noon. You think CBS misses the SEC? Poor NBC where are your Notre Dame and B1G games? Not even a single W?


By conference only games, SEC has had 19 games win in their window. The ACC only has two. The Big 12 only has one. The B1G only had two going into last week, and now has four.

There are 7 OOC games that won their window. In those an SEC team has appeared 6x, an ACC team 3x, a B1G team 3x, a B12 team once, and Notre Dame only once.

By school:

7x - Bama

6x - LSU

5x - UGA, Oklahoma

4x - Ole Miss

3x - Ohio State, Florida, Tennessee

2x - Texas, Clemson, Michigan, Miami, FSU, Auburn, Vandy, Iowa

1x - Iowa State, GA Tech, Texas Tech, Utah, Notre Dame, Arkansas, Wisconsin, Mizzou, Kentucky, Penn State, Indiana, South Carolina, Oregon, A&M


15 of the 16 SEC schools have a window win, only Miss State does not. And 10 of the 16 have more than one W. The Top 5 teams, and seven of the Top 8 teams are from the SEC.

7 of the 18 B1G schools have a window win. 4 of 17 ACC have a window win. and 3 of 16 B12 schools, none with more than one.

This week's games

Noon (this window is wide open)
ESPN- South Carolina at A&M
FOX- Michigan at Northwestern
ABC- Notre Dame at Pitt

330
ABC- Oklahoma at Bama (just give this the W already)
FOX- UCF at Texas Tech
CBS- Penn State at Michigan State

PT
ESPN- Florida at Ole Miss
NBC- UCLA at Ohio State
ABC- Texas at UGA (another obvious W)

 

[Sherman20]

Our viewership numbers last season were also very good. This is why the Syracuse job is coveted and why the ACC wanted us. The Syracuse/upstate New York sports fan base tunes in and we have a national reach.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Kinda jealous that the PAC will have their game times before the season starts. When you think of it, you could do the same for the ACC too. ESPN can keep the SEC on the two week window to fill any holes.


For example looking at the next two weeks...

11-15
ND at Pitt- this is one of the few ESPN owned ND games. So it makes sense preseason to have this noon on either ABC or ESPN.

NC State at Miami- this was a solid game and makes sense for the 330 ESPN/2 games.

GA Tech at BC- this had ACCN written all over it. Probably a good idea to make it 330 and the best of this and Miami gets ESPN/2 while the worse of the two gets ACCN.

UVA at Duke- preseason this is ACCN or CW. But now it has some juice. Still not a big loss making this an ACCN game vs ESPN2 like it ended up being.

BTW for ACC fans having three games on during the same window stinks.

UNC at Wake- another ACCN or CW matchup.

VA Tech at FSU- preseason this seems like the most intriguing game of the day. So you make it 730. If it is good then you get on ESPN/2 and if it is bad ACCN.

11-22
Miami at VA Tech- good game on paper preseason. Now not so much. I think noon with the plan of ABC/EPSN.

Pitt at GA Tech- this preseason is a ACCN/CW game. Unless Pitt beats ND, I think it still is that type of game. The problem is you already have 3 even worse games for the ACCN to take.

Louisville at SMU- preseason the game of the day so make it 730. If pans out ESPN/2 and if not ACCN.

Duke at UNC- see Pitt/GA Tech. I think these two games make sense to both be 330 with the better of the two on ESPN/2.

Delaware at Wake- noon or 330 ACCN

Furman at Clemson- noon or 330 ACCN/CW

Cal at Stanford- 330 or 730 ACCN


There isn't a lot of difference IMO between these games. ESPN wouldn't be missing out by having the conference game times set preseason. The SEC owns the 330 ABC time slot. Very few ACC games are worthy of the ABC night game. Really noon is the only place the ACC can break through to ABC. You pretty much know before the season who the best TV draw will be for that noon game. FSU and Clemson ratings this year prove that it isn't about Ws and Ls.

 

[FloridaCuse]

 

[FloridaCuse]

Big Ten's 24-team playoff plan becomes enemy of CFP expansion

The solution to CFP expansion question sits within reach. And instead of seizing it, Tony Petitti and the Big Ten are firing shots into the moon.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Archbold44]

You just do not understand where we are and why the SEC of all leagues would want this. The CFB post-season is NOPT run by the NCAA. Thus nothing the NCAA does in basketball or 1AA (FCS) football matters. Top Tier CFB will NEVER allow all league champs into its playoff. NEVER.

The SEC wants this step to get to the next point: the SEC routinely having 6 or 7 of 14 with ACC and Big 12 never getting more than 1 each. When they get things to that point, and the ACC has not made itself richer with TV viewers, the ACC will be very easily gutted. And then the SEC and BT will announce that they and they alone comprise the new Top Tier of CFB.

That is the desired end game for SEC and BT and presumably for ESPN and Fox and CBS and NBC.

The SEC is proposing a 4-4-2-2-1-3 system. That would give the B12 and ACC two spots every year. And then the #3 ACC, #3 B12, #5 B1G, and #5 SEC would compete for at-large spots. Sure, it will likely end up #5 SEC, # 6 SEC, and Notre Dame. But how is that bad for the ACC in reality... that reality where the ACC has zero top 10 teams right now. And last year... had to back 2 teams into the 12-team playoff. The B12 got one last year and may end up with only one this year despite 3 top 16 teams. Take what you can get...

 

[FloridaCuse]

The SEC is proposing a 4-4-2-2-1-3 system. That would give the B12 and ACC two spots every year. And then the #3 ACC, #3 B12, #5 B1G, and #5 SEC would compete for at-large spots. Sure, it will likely end up #5 SEC, # 6 SEC, and Notre Dame. But how is that bad for the ACC in reality... that reality where the ACC has zero top 10 teams right now. And last year... had to back 2 teams into the 12-team playoff. The B12 got one last year and may end up with only one this year despite 3 top 16 teams. Take what you can get...

I think the SEC had formerly proposed that. But I think last year the coaches told the PTB that they wanted it to be mostly at-large teams. I believe the SEC's current position is that they want it to be 5 (Conf champs) + 11 at large. The SEC and B1G have to agree on the format for the future before it changes. Otherwise it stays a 12 team playoff under the current format. ESPN has told the conferences and the CFP committee they need to know for next year by December 1, 2025.