ACC tournament projection v. 2.0

[UpstateSM]

I am confused on the Florida State tiebreaker some say it plays others don’t.
I can’t see the ACC doing that in this season.
If Clemson loses we are locked into the 7 seed I believe.

We want Duke to lose as I want NC State. We can exploit their small guards without offense.

Agreed on wanting State. The last thing I want is Dook in Greensboro with a bid on the line.

If they don't use FSU as a tiebreaker for us and UNC then Clemson can secure us State by beating Pitt. In that case UNC and Dook play again in their first ACCT game not matter what.

 

[007]

I am confused on the Florida State tiebreaker some say it plays others don’t.
I can’t see the ACC doing that in this season.
If Clemson loses we are locked into the 7 seed I believe.

We want Duke to lose as I want NC State. We can exploit their small guards without offense.

Thanks for all your work on this Al.

Don't want to draw Duke...hoping for the 7th seed.

 

[Orangemen]

What about VTechs covid pause? Any chance they sit out the Conf tourney?

 

[Alsacs]

Thanks for all your work on this Al.

Don't want to draw Duke...hoping for the 7th seed.

Root for UNC and I think we avoid Duke.
I don’t think Clemson loses to Pitt.

Pretty simple that way. UNC wins the Duke will fall below NC State.

I put the most likely outcome
7. North Carolina
8. Syracuse
9. NC State
10. Duke

If Duke wins
Then unless Clemson loses we are playing Duke.

 

[Alsacs]

What about VTechs covid pause? Any chance they sit out the Conf tourney?

Tech should withdraw if they feel they are in the NCAAT.
They have a week from today to get enough healthy bodies though.

They have locked themselves into a double bye with all these cancellations.

 

[Alsacs]

I believe you are wrong about Florida State. The most recent documented tie breaking procedure for the ACC (from 2017) includes the following clause:

2) When comparing records against a single team or a group of teams, the higher winning percentage shall prevail, even if the number of games played against a team or group is unequal (e.g., 2-0 is better than 3-1; 1-0 is the same as 2-0; 2-1 is the same as 4-2; 1-0 is better than 1-1; 0-1 is the same as 0-3). If the winning percentage of the tied teams is equal against a team or group of tied teams, continue down through the standings until one team gains an advantage.

ACC Tournament Tiebreaker and Seedings Procedure - Atlantic Coast Conference

ACC Tournament Seeding Procedures Seeding for the basketball championship will be determined by the regular-season Conference standings. In case of a tie, the

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0-0 was never accounted for.
Where does the tiebreaker say even if one team played the team and the other didn’t.

I get your point but the idea Florida State can decide a tiebreaker when only 1 party played them is ridiculous to argue( not that you are).

I wish the issue was asked.

 

[Orangello]

Give me a healthy Kadary and Q and NC State all day long.

 

[upperdeck]

0-0 was never accounted for.
Where does the tiebreaker say even if one team played the team and the other didn’t.

I get your point but the idea Florida State can decide a tiebreaker when only 1 party played them is ridiculous to argue( not that you are).

I wish the issue was asked.

the fact its not built into the system is pretty dumb even in a normal yr. weather still happens.

 

[UpstateSM]

Is anyone buying tickets to the ACCT? They went on sale 10 minutes ago. Currently 711 in line

 

[OrangeYaGladi]

Is anyone buying tickets to the ACCT? They went on sale 10 minutes ago. Currently 711 in line

I would infer that at least 710 others are buying tix

 

[UpstateSM]

I would infer that at least 710 others are buying tix

 

[Alsacs]

Is anyone buying tickets to the ACCT? They went on sale 10 minutes ago. Currently 711 in line

I’d go if we won Thursday.
Would support the last 2 rounds. I went in 2019 when we beat Pitt and got Zion’d.

 

[UpstateSM]

I’d go if we won Thursday.
Would support the last 2 rounds. I went in 2019 when we beat Pitt and got Zion’d.

I'm curious to see what the resell market is going to look like. They're only selling all-season upper level seats to the public

 

[Alsacs]

I'm curious to see what the resell market is going to look like. They're only selling all-season upper level seats to the public

I don’t expect it to be too bad.
If UNC/Duke/NC State are out I don’t expect a ton of Virginia school teams caring that much this year.

 

[sutomcat]

0-0 was never accounted for.
Where does the tiebreaker say even if one team played the team and the other didn’t.

I get your point but the idea Florida State can decide a tiebreaker when only 1 party played them is ridiculous to argue( not that you are).

I wish the issue was asked.

It says it in the paragraph I pasted in my post.

Paraphrasing...

The higher winning percentage will prevail. Regardless of number of games played.

0 wins gives a team a winning percentage of 0. This is true regardless of whether the team plays the other 0, 1, 2 or more games.

Your notion of what is fair is irrelevant. The rules are the rules.

 

[Alsacs]

It says it in the paragraph I pasted in my post.

Paraphrasing...

The higher winning percentage will prevail. Regardless of number of games played.

0 wins gives a team a winning percentage of 0. This is true regardless of whether the team plays the other 0, 1, 2 or more games.

Your notion of what is fair is irrelevant. The rules are the rules.

Again if you don’t play a team you don’t have any win percentage. It’s not 0 it’s infinity.

You don’t even know if you are right. I emailed the ACC guy I know to get clarity.

How you are digging in on this take without knowing is fine you could be right. You could be wrong.

An unequal amount of games clearly infers both teams atleast PLAYING the team.
The rule doesn’t say anything if one team didn’t even play the team.

 

[Ryand877]

2021 ACC tournament projected bracket: Syracuse headed toward meeting with Duke?

A look at the ACC tournament bracket as of today.

www.syracuse.com

Even the ACC doesn't know!

 

[Alsacs]

2021 ACC tournament projected bracket: Syracuse headed toward meeting with Duke?

A look at the ACC tournament bracket as of today.

www.syracuse.com

Even the ACC doesn't know!

Which is why I don’t get why Tomcat is taking his position.

I emailed as well.
You can’t use a tiebreaker that doesn’t account for a scenario where one team has played the team and the other hasn’t.
That is madness. You would go down the line to follow the rules.

 

[Knicks411]

My initial reaction (right, cause everyone cares) is that it doesnt matter if you play 0 games against someone, UNC beat FSU so they'd have the tiebreaker, due to the rules.

That said, all of the rules are very much open to interpretation this year, since normally everyone plays everyone at least once, and normally everyone also plays the same # of games.

I get the argument we never played FSU, its tough to use that as the tiebreaker, but at the same time, if we beat FSU and UNC didnt, I'd probably think it should be the tiebreaker

 

[sutomcat]

Again if you don’t play a team you don’t have any win percentage. It’s not 0 it’s infinity.

You don’t even know if you are right. I emailed the ACC guy I know to get clarity.

How you are digging in on this take without knowing is fine you could be right. You could be wrong.

An unequal amount of games clearly infers both teams atleast PLAYING the team.
The rule doesn’t say anything if one team didn’t even play the team.

When I read the paragraph in question, the 'even if the number of games is unequal' qualifier is the key. It is an interesting grey area.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I want to play Duke. They aren’t very good, but their metrics are. They just happened to have their best game of the year against us.

 

[Alsacs]

My initial reaction (right, cause everyone cares) is that it doesnt matter if you play 0 games against someone, UNC beat FSU so they'd have the tiebreaker, due to the rules.

That said, all of the rules are very much open to interpretation this year, since normally everyone plays everyone at least once, and normally everyone also plays the same # of games.

I get the argument we never played FSU, its tough to use that as the tiebreaker, but at the same time, if we beat FSU and UNC didnt, I'd probably think it should be the tiebreaker

I interrupt the rule to mean both teams have played the team used and one team has a better win percentage.

So if one team went 0-1 and the other went 1-1 the 1-1 wins. Even though potentially the other team could go 1-1 but too bad 1-1 wins.

If 1-1 beats 0-0 that makes absolutely no sense when you could just go down the line to settle the tiebreaker.

 

[Ryand877]

I interrupt the rule to mean both teams have played the team used and one team has a better win percentage.

So if one team went 0-1 and the other went 1-1 the 1-1 wins. Even though potentially the other team could go 1-1 but too bad 1-1 wins.

If 1-1 beats 0-0 that makes absolutely no sense when you could just go down the line to settle the tiebreaker.

I agree, here is another scenario. What would win a tie breaker between 0-0 or 0-1(totally hypothetical)? I think by logic it would have to be a common opponent.

 

[soyorange]

2021 ACC tournament projected bracket: Syracuse headed toward meeting with Duke?

A look at the ACC tournament bracket as of today.

www.syracuse.com

Even the ACC doesn't know!

This article is also wrong in stating we can drop to the 9 seed. If we don't play anymore games we're locked into either 7 or 8. Duke beats unc we still have better win %

 

[Cuse826]

We need high profile wins IMO. We want Duke.

At 11-10, Duke isn't a high profile win.