ACC's plan

[normaliswear]

I think the ACC has their plan mapped out. ND as a partial for a few years, get their base used to playing ACC teams. Then in 5-10 years playoff economics finally force ND to join a conf, and its the ACC. Then you take one swing for the fences and try and pry Penn St from the B1G. If theres ever a chance it'd be then. Likely coming off some hard years, just beggining to rebuild their brand, tired of being pushed around in a Mid-West based conf, staring at a chance to be in a division with Eastern Rivals and ND, and ACC revenues with ND AND Penn St would match or excede those of the B1G... maybe it actually could be done. But, the GOR is there and maybe ya just can't get Penn St to jump. Then you finish up with whoever, Navy or Uconn maybe.

 

[rrlbees]

I don't think it will be 5-10 years. I think ND is a full member in 2 years.

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[oldpinepoint]

I don't think it will be 5-10 years. I think ND is a full member in 2 years.

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Agree Bees, i think this was just done to break in the alumni. Even in a coference, ND can still play USC, Stanford and Navy. Writing is on the wall for the playoffs. I also think that B12 will expand to get a conference game, who they get is beyond me. BYU and the ville probably.

 

[kingottoiii]

The rumors on what is included in TV contracts make things hard. But I believe the rumor is the B1G GOR is just for 3rd tier rights. With will be 2-3 PSU crappy home games. Also who owns the BTN? The conference or the schools? If it is the schools then PSU owns 8.5% and can use that as leverage.

That being said only way PSU becomes available is if the B1G gets sick of them and kicks them out. I am sure the B1G wants to be a true Midwest conf and hates the Sandusky stuff. Plus they would love to stick it to the SEC and take Mizzou. But it still isn't worth dumping PSU so let's give up on that.

At this point I think the ACC has a better chance at getting Texas with a similar deal as ND than getting PSU.

 

[orangecuse]

I don't think it will be 5-10 years. I think ND is a full member in 2 years.

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Interesting...

 

[sutomcat]

I think the ACC has their plan mapped out. ND as a partial for a few years, get their base used to playing ACC teams. Then in 5-10 years playoff economics finally force ND to join a conf, and its the ACC. Then you take one swing for the fences and try and pry Penn St from the B1G. If theres ever a chance it'd be then. Likely coming off some hard years, just beggining to rebuild their brand, tired of being pushed around in a Mid-West based conf, staring at a chance to be in a division with Eastern Rivals and ND, and ACC revenues with ND AND Penn St would match or excede those of the B1G... maybe it actually could be done. But, the GOR is there and maybe ya just can't get Penn St to jump. Then you finish up with whoever, Navy or Uconn maybe.

I predict the 16th school will be either Penn State or Texas.

 

[kingottoiii]

I don't think it will be 5-10 years. I think ND is a full member in 2 years.

My guess is 2021 as a full member. I think they will re-up with NBC for 5 years which will run through 2020. Their future schedules are set through the 2016 season anyway. it would be hard to move teams to fit in 8 ACC games. Heck they might not be able to add the 5 ACC games until 2017. They could move things around in 2015 and 2016 to get to 5 ACC games since they already have 4 scheduled for each season. That is best case. To get 8 games will require quite a bit of movement before 2020.

I think it would be best to ease into the ACC to make fans/alumni happy. So 2021 is perfect. Play 5 ACC games a year from 2015 to 2020. That gets ND to play every ACC team home and away. Their fans become familiar with ACC FB and its schools. Plus they get to play ACC BBall and other sports from 2013-14 till 2020-21. That is plenty of time for those sports.

IMO a 2021 all in date would be the best transition for all.

 

[Toga]

I don't think it will be 5-10 years. I think ND is a full member in 2 years.

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What is your thinking on that predicition?

 

[BostonOrange]

Agree Bees, i think this was just done to break in the alumni. Even in a coference, ND can still play USC, Stanford and Navy. Writing is on the wall for the playoffs. I also think that B12 will expand to get a conference game, who they get is beyond me. BYU and the ville probably.

A post on the UConn board had an interesting piece of conjecture based on some unnamed 'in the know' people. They thought that the end game would be full membership for ND, but the way they would get there would be:
- Two 8 team divisions in football with Uconn or Rutgers likely being #16 (PSU being dream school)
- Only Division games will count as conference games.
- All schools ex ND will also play 2 opponents in the other division every year but the results won't count in the ACC standings.
- ND will play their 7 division games and that will allow them to retain at least 4 traditional rivals.

Makes some sense but the ACC schools in the other division wouldn't be too thrilled.

 

[arbitragegls]

I predict the 16th school will be either Penn State or Texas.

First, I believe that the ACC is not in a hurry to bring in another school. ACC is looking to the future (source) that ND will join full membership within 5 years and that one or two other universities may be ready to jump to them based on conversations that have taken place all ready...stay tuned.

 

[DPCuse]

I wonder if the 5 committment games for ND allows them to slowly bridge the gap in scheduling to a full ACC conference schedule and full membership.

 

[orangecuse]

First, I believe that the ACC is not in a hurry to bring in another school. ACC is looking to the future (source) that ND will join full membership within 5 years and that one or two other universities may be ready to jump to them based on conversations that have taken place all ready...stay tuned.

Certainly leaves out UConn and Rutgirls since we all know that the word may isn't in their vocabulary...more like beg...

 

[Shenexon]

I don't think it will be 5-10 years. I think ND is a full member in 2 years.

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Doesn't ND's contract with NBC expire in 2015?

 

[sutomcat]

What is your thinking on that predicition?

Not sure if you are talking to me Toga, but in case you are, here are my thoughts:

The ND/NBC contract expires in 2015. Set to expire in 2010, it was extended for 5 years (2011-2015) in 2008. Logical dates to start in football in the ACC would be in 2016 or, if they sign another 5 year extension, 2021.

Ratings for ND football have been dropping steadily over the last few years and fell to historic lows in 2011. Will NBC want to extend the contract again? Will they offer ND a high enough price to make it worth their while? How much does ND value their independence in football?

I am not sure. My guess is NBC really needs the content and will try and extend the offer. ND really wants to stay independent. As long as they have ready access to bowls (check) and ready access to win the national championship (TBD), I think they stay independent.

 

[orangepassion]

I don't think it will be 5-10 years. I think ND is a full member in 2 years.

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Why would ND do that?

 

[texascpa]

I don't think it's a money issue for ND as some have speculated. I've seen a quote here and there that indicate that ND is having more and more difficulty getting future schedules in order.

 

[cpatrocks]

I think ND will be joining as a full member in 2 years as well. I don't see any school leaving the Big 10 and leaving all that $$$$ behind, unless the addition of ND gives the ACC an AMAZING new contract. I think it's more likely that we add someone not affiliated with the other 4 power conferences -- like Louisville.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I think the ACC has their plan mapped out. ND as a partial for a few years, get their base used to playing ACC teams. Then in 5-10 years playoff economics finally force ND to join a conf, and its the ACC. Then you take one swing for the fences and try and pry Penn St from the B1G. If theres ever a chance it'd be then. Likely coming off some hard years, just beggining to rebuild their brand, tired of being pushed around in a Mid-West based conf, staring at a chance to be in a division with Eastern Rivals and ND, and ACC revenues with ND AND Penn St would match or excede those of the B1G... maybe it actually could be done. But, the GOR is there and maybe ya just can't get Penn St to jump. Then you finish up with whoever, Navy or Uconn maybe.

If I'm not mistaken, the B1G makes its teams give all their media rights to the conference for a period of 10 years going forward. I think that will prevent Penn State from ever returning to an Eastern based conference, even though they would be clearly the best 16th team for the ACC.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Why would ND do that?

They won't, unless their NBC contract is up after a period of terrible, terrible TV ratings.

 

[ImperialOrange]

If Notre Dame has 6 teams they want to keep playing regularly. Play 3 one year, 3 the following, etc., etc.

Rotate USC-Stanford, Sparty-Purdue, Navy-?(forgetting who the 6th team is)

 

[Scooch]

A post on the UConn board had an interesting piece of conjecture based on some unnamed 'in the know' people. They thought that the end game would be full membership for ND, but the way they would get there would be:
- Two 8 team divisions in football with Uconn or Rutgers likely being #16 (PSU being dream school)
- Only Division games will count as conference games.
- All schools ex ND will also play 2 opponents in the other division every year but the results won't count in the ACC standings.
- ND will play their 7 division games and that will allow them to retain at least 4 traditional rivals.

Makes some sense but the ACC schools in the other division wouldn't be too thrilled.

Conjecture based on specific details like that is almost never right.

 

[Nick44]

I think the point that everyone is missing is the ability for ND to make a BCS/playoff game with its current schedule setup. At the end of the day, it is all about making it to a BCS/playoff game. Since Holtz, 3 coaches have failed to consistently get to that level (let alone win a BCS game).

In the next 2-3 years, if Kelly also fails at getting to this point, like his predecessors, you wonder if the ND admins give up on this schedule setup and go all in with the ACC.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Conjecture based on specific details like that is almost never right.

true, but id take it.

it would give ND 5 rival games not 4 too.

it also makes 'winning' your division with a balanced schedule something.

there still may be a rematch, but it would be fairer.

 

[Noexcuse]

Not sure if you are talking to me Toga, but in case you are, here are my thoughts:

The ND/NBC contract expires in 2015. Set to expire in 2010, it was extended for 5 years (2011-2015) in 2008. Logical dates to start in football in the ACC would be in 2016 or, if they sign another 5 year extension, 2021.

Ratings for ND football have been dropping steadily over the last few years and fell to historic lows in 2011. Will NBC want to extend the contract again? Will they offer ND a high enough price to make it worth their while? How much does ND value their independence in football?

I am not sure. My guess is NBC really needs the content and will try and extend the offer. ND really wants to stay independent. As long as they have ready access to bowls (check) and ready access to win the national championship (TBD), I think they stay independent.

How long does the ESPN deal with the ACC run for? ND joining the ACC definitely improves the bargaining positon the ACC has with respect to future contracts and provides the opportunity for a bidding war.

 

[rrlbees]

What is your thinking on that predicition?

NBC runs out in '15 so they will announce in '14 that they will be joining for football after that.

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