Achilles injuries..

[sufandu]

That was a crazy short article for a scientific publication, and it hit the points I thought would have been raised - increasing size of players, and turf/surface. The one I did not know about was limitations on coaching staff contact with players in the offseason, so they can't monitor physical preparedness. Sort of the opposite of college ball.

But I cannot believe that got through peer review (is it a reviewed publication?) and they spelled Aaron Rodgers' name wrong right at the beginning of the abstract. Threw me right out of the gate.

Maybe spelling his name wrong proves legitimacy? You know it was done by a science nerd and not a sports fan.

 

[hplare]

Bored and needing some Cuse football, I went back to look at the best game last season. How many remember that on the opening drive, fourth or fifth play of the Clemson game , Angeli rolled right and went down untouched and had to leave with what was apparently an ankle injury? Precursor of later?

I'm not sure there's any rhyme or reason to it. I tore mine playing paddle tennis. My son-in-law tore his playing tennis. Both involved talking a strong step forward.

We both recovered fully within eight months, but neither of us had to play football on it.

 

[IthacaMatt]

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Bigger, larger, faster, more explosive players create a greater load on the achilles. The recent ones are interesting because typically it would happen between start and stop explosive cuts, but some have just been normal runs. Could also be other factors like playing with an injury and putting more stress on the achilles that gets damaged. Mostly, the bigger and more explosive players get, the more you’ll see these type of injuries.

I think that players should do more flexibility work. Brady tried to bring that to the NFL and was laughed at for it, but you see older people who do yoga or tai chi and look very healthy.

 

[sufandu]

I think that players should do more flexibility work. Brady tried to bring that to the NFL and was laughed at for it, but you see older people who do yoga or tai chi and look very healthy.

I think it's also different for people that don't rely on speed, strength, quick change of direction, etc. for their success. As good as Brady was, those weren't the traits that he relied on. The guys running, cutting, and stopping quickly are putting their bodies under so much more stress. I could see a brief career for Josh Allen, a bit like Cam Newton. He takes so much abuse.

 

[javadoc]

Maybe spelling his name wrong proves legitimacy? You know it was done by a science nerd and not a sports fan.

I thought of that!

 

[javadoc]

Bored and needing some Cuse football, I went back to look at the best game last season. How many remember that on the opening drive, fourth or fifth play of the Clemson game , Angeli rolled right and went down untouched and had to leave with what was apparently an ankle injury? Precursor of later?

I'm not sure there's any rhyme or reason to it. I tore mine playing paddle tennis. My son-in-law tore his playing tennis. Both involved talking a strong step forward.

We both recovered fully within eight months, but neither of us had to play football on it.

Holy schnikes, an achilles tear sounds to me like something that would happen once in a century, but I've heard of several here, and I can't get my head around that.

Makes me wonder... among the general population who are not hard-core athletes, how often does this happen? And at what age? How does the achilles degrade with age? How does weight affect it? Did we evolve with an achilles that lasted only so-many years, and we now outlive that duration? Did we evolve an achilles under much lower body weight?

I saw a talk once in grad school about how most of the problems that vex us past the age of about ~40 are things that we have no real evolutionary answer for. Had never thought about it, really interesting.

 

[Cuseregular]

Most of it has been covered in the thread but to summarize here it is in a nutshell:

overtraining certainly plays a role, also the behemoth muscle masses of today’s athletes/huge sizes placing forces on their associated fibrocartilage structures/connective tissues (ligaments/fibrous tendons which cannot grow and strengthen like or at least as much as their muscle cousins), that as a result of the overtraining along with these massive muscles, the resultant joint stresses placed on them can’t handle the loads and forces from routine in game postures and positioning (Non-contact stuff like ACL injuries, Achilles, etc.)

It’s obviously rampant. Also to make matters worse and often missed/not even considered as a factor is certain antibiotics can foster it easier as well. It’s become routine in my health care practice to Rx these achillles injuries. Almost without fail in their histories is previous extensive antibiotic courses of Rx.

One of many articles/studies that address it:

New understanding about tendonitis and antibiotics

The class of antibiotics known as fluoroquinolones have been found to create an increased risk of tendon damage. In May of 2016, the FDA. . .

www.coastalorthoteam.com

 

[sufandu]

Holy schnikes, an achilles tear sounds to me like something that would happen once in a century, but I've heard of several here, and I can't get my head around that.

Makes me wonder... among the general population who are not hard-core athletes, how often does this happen? And at what age? How does the achilles degrade with age? How does weight affect it? Did we evolve with an achilles that lasted only so-many years, and we now outlive that duration? Did we evolve an achilles under much lower body weight?

I saw a talk once in grad school about how most of the problems that vex us past the age of about ~40 are things that we have no real evolutionary answer for. Had never thought about it, really interesting.

There are numerous factors, as there always are with injuries. It's more common as we get older, no surprise there, but I had a friend partially tear his around 30 years old when hopping off a stage that was no more than 4 ft high. He had about the tightest calf muscles I've seen on someone his age. I'm sure that played a role. He didn't need surgery

 

[shu 49]

I think that players should do more flexibility work. Brady tried to bring that to the NFL and was laughed at for it, but you see older people who do yoga or tai chi and look very healthy.

Pro and college are starting to use the knees over toes guys ideas. I first thought he was nuts but he is not. He strengthens the joints. Great read.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

I think that players should do more flexibility work. Brady tried to bring that to the NFL and was laughed at for it, but you see older people who do yoga or tai chi and look very healthy.

I can only speak for myself.

For years I played soccer, hoops, ran, lifted etc., was tight as a drum and was constantly pulling muscles (hammies, quads, calves, groin - you name it). As a last resort out of desperation tried yoga probably about 15-16 years ago.

Game changer.

As I approach 60 (turn 60 this year) have retired from hoops and soccer but still do MMA (Muay Thai and Dutch Kickboxing) typically training with high school, college or kids in their mid-twenties.

Doing yoga is a must as, if I don't do it religiously, that is when I tend to get hurt.

I do my own routines, typically 90 minutes, holding each pose for a minute.

But I also do Yin and Hatha in classes and do both hot and room temperature.

I also have one of those wood triangles and I stretch my achillies and lower calf Every.Single.Day.

I also do a full stretching routine, outside of yoga, every single day focusing on hammies, calves, groin, quands, IT band, hip flexors, lower back etc.

It has definitely helped me immensely.

 

[AlaskaSUfan]

I’ve torn both of mine. Last one was 14 years ago. Haven’t stepped on a basketball court since.

Hate seeing athletes going down with these.

3x on two legs for me. Some people a more pre-disposed to tearing tendons as well. Other factors may be particular sports and also some link to antibiotic treatment out there in literature.

 

[AlaskaSUfan]

I have no science to back this up, but there may be some out there. I think a lot of it is youth sports. I believe Dr. James Andrews wrote a book about his observation of increased injuries amongst youth athletes. A lot of these guys started playing year round organized sports much younger than kids a generation or two ago, and they also shifted their focus to a single sport that they play/train in year round at a much earlier age. It makes sense that the increased wear and tear would add up, and sometimes guys are doing things at an age that young bodies aren't ready for and being trained by people that don't know what they're doing. I think you see it in basketball too. You rarely saw the big stars using "load management" back in the day. Now it's almost expected.

At any level, Achilles often have micro tears in advance to full blow outs. For some they may have heavy sports participation. For others it may be as simple as stepping off a curb and popping it. It's freaky.

 

[anomander]

I can only speak for myself.

For years I played soccer, hoops, ran, lifted etc., was tight as a drum and was constantly pulling muscles (hammies, quads, calves, groin - you name it). As a last resort out of desperation tried yoga probably about 15-16 years ago.

Game changer.

As I approach 60 (turn 60 this year) have retired from hoops and soccer but still do MMA (Muay Thai and Dutch Kickboxing) typically training with high school, college or kids in their mid-twenties.

Doing yoga is a must as, if I don't do it religiously, that is when I tend to get hurt.

I do my own routines, typically 90 minutes, holding each pose for a minute.

But I also do Yin and Hatha in classes and do both hot and room temperature.

I also have one of those wood triangles and I stretch my achillies and lower calf Every.Single.Day.

I also do a full stretching routine, outside of yoga, every single day focusing on hammies, calves, groin, quands, IT band, hip flexors, lower back etc.

It has definitely helped me immensely.

MMA is harder than any other sports, especially with so many disciplines. Do you do any grappling?

 

[CbusCuse]

croissant

Wasson?

 

[sufandu]

At any level, Achilles often have micro tears in advance to full blow outs. For some they may have heavy sports participation. For others it may be as simple as stepping off a curb and popping it. It's freaky.

I think the question we need answered is why have we seen the increase the last 10+ years. We can't just chalk it up to the football surface because we've seen it in basketball too, their surface is the same it's always been.

 

[sufandu]

I can only speak for myself.

For years I played soccer, hoops, ran, lifted etc., was tight as a drum and was constantly pulling muscles (hammies, quads, calves, groin - you name it). As a last resort out of desperation tried yoga probably about 15-16 years ago.

Game changer.

As I approach 60 (turn 60 this year) have retired from hoops and soccer but still do MMA (Muay Thai and Dutch Kickboxing) typically training with high school, college or kids in their mid-twenties.

Doing yoga is a must as, if I don't do it religiously, that is when I tend to get hurt.

I do my own routines, typically 90 minutes, holding each pose for a minute.

But I also do Yin and Hatha in classes and do both hot and room temperature.

I also have one of those wood triangles and I stretch my achillies and lower calf Every.Single.Day.

I also do a full stretching routine, outside of yoga, every single day focusing on hammies, calves, groin, quands, IT band, hip flexors, lower back etc.

It has definitely helped me immensely.

You have to be retired.

 

[TexanMark]

Bored and needing some Cuse football, I went back to look at the best game last season. How many remember that on the opening drive, fourth or fifth play of the Clemson game , Angeli rolled right and went down untouched and had to leave with what was apparently an ankle injury? Precursor of later?

I'm not sure there's any rhyme or reason to it. I tore mine playing paddle tennis. My son-in-law tore his playing tennis. Both involved talking a strong step forward.

We both recovered fully within eight months, but neither of us had to play football on it.

I always wondered about that too.

 

[BigNastyJon]

I tore my Achilles flagging down an uber leaving the Marriott with some old show horse last week. Not sure if any NFL players are hitting up divorcee night or not though.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

You have to be retired.

From work?

No. Still working full-time.

But I work from home. No commute.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

MMA is harder than any other sports, especially with so many disciplines. Do you do any grappling?

I used to do ju-jitsu but that is not a sport for people my age.

 

[AZOrange]

Most of it has been covered in the thread but to summarize here it is in a nutshell:

overtraining certainly plays a role, also the behemoth muscle masses of today’s athletes/huge sizes placing forces on their associated fibrocartilage structures/connective tissues (ligaments/fibrous tendons which cannot grow and strengthen like or at least as much as their muscle cousins), that as a result of the overtraining along with these massive muscles, the resultant joint stresses placed on them can’t handle the loads and forces from routine in game postures and positioning (Non-contact stuff like ACL injuries, Achilles, etc.)

It’s obviously rampant. Also to make matters worse and often missed/not even considered as a factor is certain antibiotics can foster it easier as well. It’s become routine in my health care practice to Rx these achillles injuries. Almost without fail in their histories is previous extensive antibiotic courses of Rx.

One of many articles/studies that address it:

New understanding about tendonitis and antibiotics

The class of antibiotics known as fluoroquinolones have been found to create an increased risk of tendon damage. In May of 2016, the FDA. . .

www.coastalorthoteam.com

I could be offbase here but I fully believe the years of squat training with stacked knees over toes is part of the cause. The minute I started to be more knee forward in training but knee and calf issues dissipated

 

[sufandu]

From work?

No. Still working full-time.

But I work from home. No commute.

So, you just don't sleep?

 

[Forza Azzurri]

So, you just don't sleep?

LOL...I don't do all of it every day...

MMA - 2-3X per week
Gym - 1-2X per week
Yoga 1-2X per week

MMA is 60 mins. Get to Dojo 30 mins early and stretch and warm-up. Not a ton of time.

 

[shu 49]

LOL...I don't do all of it every day...

MMA - 2-3X per week
Gym - 1-2X per week
Yoga 1-2X per week

MMA is 60 mins. Get to Dojo 30 mins early and stretch and warm-up. Not a ton of time.

Does yoga help. All my years lifting and doing flooring I am much tighter as I get older and need to loosen up a bit

 

[sufandu]

LOL...I don't do all of it every day...

MMA - 2-3X per week
Gym - 1-2X per week
Yoga 1-2X per week

MMA is 60 mins. Get to Dojo 30 mins early and stretch and warm-up. Not a ton of time.

Devoting ~90 min towards working out is a dream for me. I can find about 30 min/day during the week and I do one long one on the weekend.