Alex Kline Article

[tptcuse]

sorry if this has already been said but in an interview, kline said he had gotten real close to red and the other assts and if they got let go he would have resigned if asked to stay.

Yes. He wrote that in his article.

 

[tptcuse]

ALSO, just so we clear this up… 20 win seasons are not good seasons at Syracuse. 25+ is acceptable and 30+ in what every Syracuse team should strive for. 30 is a real contender.

We won 20 (19 if you don’t count Chaminade) but we were out of the tournament before December during Red’s first year. And our losses were humiliating. “20 wins” is rewriting what really happened.

 

[Orangefan1]

Agreed.

Kline's heart was in the right place, but this was an odd article to publish.

Sounds like a disgruntled ex employee

 

[bigmike]

Trigger Alert Warning for social media concerns and bad words:

Stay off Social Media, and;
Sticks and Stones..

 

[rrlbees]

Yes. He wrote that in his article.

thx. i hadn't read his article on syracuse.com yet. i saw it in a loud house article. looking back they referenced the syracuse.com article.

 

[Dinkyspond]

Totally agree. But as you say, that can be very focused interaction. Kline seems to be suggesting that he, Red and the players were personally hurt by reading comments and messages directed their way. That it was 100% a choice to read those. It’s very easy to post on Insta or Tik Tok and never engage with comments or DMs from unknown people.

I mean, who is taking comments from “burner accounts” to heart? Immature and poorly guided people, that’s who.

if you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen, this is big boy basketball, this program underperformed and underachieved and fans are going to take it out on social media, what did Kline expect, rainbows and unicorns? For a former NBA guy, he sounds naive to say the least and dare I say, meek and soft. Disclaimer: I thought he did a great job on this year's roster, I blame the coaching staff for not utilizing it right or developing it. I actually thought they would keep him on.

 

[sufan59]

sorry if this has already been said but in an interview, kline said he had gotten real close to red and the other assts and if they got let go he would have resigned if asked to stay.

Yeah...he clearly thinks SU made a bad decision. We will see how this ages I guess.

 

[Newhouser]

This guy worked for the Knicks?

 

[rrlbees]

This guy worked for the Knicks?

for 4 years and 4 years for the pelicans.

 

[GHLF]

Trigger Alert Warning for social media concerns and bad words:

Stay off Social Media, and;
Sticks and Stones..

That is honestly good advice, However it used to be different. This place is honestly Like syracuse.com used to be. That is why people left. By the way you can an alum, former student athlete, team manager, whatever the affiliation to this university and still be a massive fan. And see the big picture beyond wins and losses especially if you were personally affected. So many people are honestly just low class human beings and they would never understand. Just a reflection of society. However for some, purity will always reign true. A lot of people left Syracuse com by the way

 

[OmahaCuse]

Curious from the board if they know how hard Red worked at fundraising? In today’s world coaches need to be trying to help themselves with funding and not complaining about the school trying to figure it out.

 

[Dinkyspond]

This guy worked for the Knicks?

That's exactly what I was thinking...

 

[Bulldog04]

ALSO, just so we clear this up… 20 win seasons are not good seasons at Syracuse. 25+ is acceptable and 30+ in what every Syracuse team should strive for. 30 is a real contender.

30? That’s only happened 5 times in history

 

[Bulldog04]

Curious from the board if they know how hard Red worked at fundraising? In today’s world coaches need to be trying to help themselves with funding and not complaining about the school trying to figure it out.

It was every day… whether he was playing golf with onondaga members or going to dinners, it was constant. I usually golf a ton with griff and I rarely saw him unless it was for dinner

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Curious from the board if they know how hard Red worked at fundraising? In today’s world coaches need to be trying to help themselves with funding and not complaining about the school trying to figure it out.

This is a general comment. 15 year+ season ticket holder. I very rarely get contacted for any type of fundraising from Syracuse University. Maybe one phone call and maybe one mailing and a few emails per year. Definitely no follow up.

Some of the non-profits I contribute to send mailings or emails on a very regular basis, maybe a couple times a month and a lot of times as part of a newsletter telling about the fundraising initiatives and how they are doing. And they are actually interesting enough that I will read them before they go in the trash.

Car dealers. I get communications from three separate car dealers that I have done business with over the years. Phone calls, emails, mailings. On an extremely regular basis. Up to five emails a week. One of the car dealers calls, emails, texts and mail stuff up to ten times a week. Very annoying, but they are easy to ignore. But if I need them, they are easily accessible.

Syracuse can definitely get more aggressive in partnering with their boosters for additional donations. I'm sure they are concentrating on the big whales, which is understandable, but what are they doing for the average guy who might be willing to give more if thrown a bone or two.

 

[UnknownOrange]

Oh no the 7 “burner” accounts were mean to us!!

I don’t agree with some of the things our fans put out there. Whether that’s here, twitter, a burner, their real name, fake names, etc.

If you write an article and mention fans in quotations then you’ve lost all credibility. It’s all i needed to see to put a cherry on top of “you’re not cut out for this job”

If you’re focusing on the 0.05% of the fanbase, you’ve lost the 99.95%

 

[Nicknack]

i hear you but i think it sheds light on just how deep the impact of losing the fanbase was on this team. i think it destroyed them and their ability to compete.

argue all day if it shouldve or not...IT DID. and this article confirms that.

personally, I am very sympathetic to the players in this regard. I totally get it.

all of them had options and none of them wouldve signed up for this season if they knew how it would go back when they were getting recruited by a bunch of other schools. losing sucks.

it not about blame. i know everyone will just say man up and that thts what you get paid for etc etc

for me, its not about who to blame.

i appreciate this window on the inner workings of what went down...we dont usually get this kind of vulnerability and openness (even though i agree it is weird how out of touch he is about winning and its importance - its like he only cares about his personal experience when he has a role that is extremely public, and wants us all to see it his way)

that said, what are fans really doing when they crap on a team/coach? applying pressure, venting, letting out emotions, trying to force change, etc...and thats all valid...

but I also thougt during the season...what do fans want to happen? does skewering these guys and coach really help the team succeed? i participated too...it really hurt them and they felt it.

they needed a ton of support and didnt get it.

im not saying fans are necessarily wrong. i am glad autry wont be back above all else. he was in way over his head. so glad its over.

i think the time to crap on a team is the offseason...once its all said and done...esp if you know the school will not make a midseason change. as we knew. but thats just me.

I think this is really well said, Cardiac. It sums up much of how I feel. The only player I really think got unfairly abused was JJ. He didn't deserve much of what was said on this board and I (and others) said so much on many occasions. It got personal.

It made me feel sad for the guy at times because he seemed to carry himself very well and appeared to be a very good representative of Syracuse and a great teammate. I don't mind being critical of a player or coach but there is a line (at least in my opinion) that shouldn't get crossed if you're truly a fan.

 

[Briancuse]

It was every day… whether he was playing golf with onondaga members or going to dinners, it was constant. I usually golf a ton with griff and I rarely saw him unless it was for dinner

I'm sure he worked hard the problem was none of the donors believed in him to give enough money to the program.

 

[Orangefan1]

So we should accept mediocrity? I don’t care if it’s two million behind other programs they better find it and pay it. Freaking embarrassment for the last six years and the University acts like they don’t have enough money.

 

[ManleyRocks]

Sounds like he worked for Bob congel

It was a high performance private equity shop. Super special experience (seriously)…but at some point everyone loses the edge off of their fastball and the numbers do not lie. JB would not have survived the last 5 years of his career at my shop.

 

[Bayside44]

30? That’s only happened 5 times in history

Three ACC programs cracked 25. The other teams try to win too