An Open letter to Mark Coyle

[Chip]

If a conservative run first coach comes in then he probably bails. If an Art Briles type coach comes in then he probably stays. It's all going to come down to fit and system for these kids.

Shafer's not going anywhere though.

I agree that he's not going anywhere. But if and when he does, I'll throw all my chips into the middle of the table that whoever Coyle hires will be appealing to the offensive players on the team. Including Dungey.

 

[Millhouse]

if they fire shafer, chris clark is going elsewhere

 

[JeremyCuse]

No matter what side of the argument your on when you need start saying "kids will transfer if the coach is fired" you have already lost. Of all the things to be worried about this has to be about 678th on the list. The team is staring at back to back 3-9 seasons who do you think is going after these kids Alabama?

 

[TheCusian]

Dungey isn't leaving if Shafer is fired. I'll call some serious B.S. on that and really know that people are exaggerating what they say they know.

I have no inside info. Was hypothetical.

 

[TheCusian]

Stuff like this wont matter when Coyle decides to make a change this year, next year or if ever. It just won't. What of he comes in with Scott Frost? Dungey will think twice I am sure

Very true. Doesn't eliminate the risk however.

 

[JeremyCuse]

What if one of the casualties is Dungey? I mean honestly I'm not sure I'd trade Dungey for any coach on lists I've seen of possible replacements.

These guys are too hard to come by.

Let me preface this by saying I love Dungey, if he can stay healthy kid is clearly going to be a star and clearly the best QB we have had since Mcnabb. That said outside of the people following this program no one really knows about him. If Shafer were fired at the end of the year Art Briles, Richt, D'antonio, Strong etc aren't jumping on a cell phone to call Dungey about a transfer. Could he eventually get to that point, yes but people act like were talking about Coach P getting fired after Mcnabb's Jr year or something.

 

[rrlbees]

Based on that logic, we should never have let GRob go. He was a very good recruiter and the players loved him.

When he was fired and Marrone hired, it was only a couple kids who wanted to transfer.

 

[tep624]

if they fire shafer, chris clark is going elsewhere

No if they fire Shafer, he's coming BACK!

 

[TheCusian]

Let me preface this by saying I love Dungey, if he can stay healthy kid is clearly going to be a star and clearly the best QB we have had since Mcnabb. That said outside of the people following this program no one really knows about him. If Shafer were fired at the end of the year Art Briles, Richt, D'antonio, Strong etc aren't jumping on a cell phone to call Dungey about a transfer. Could he eventually get to that point, yes but people act like were talking about Coach P getting fired after Mcnabb's Jr year or something.

Dungey is gaining notoriety. I'd bet he'd have a nice list of possible spots. Leading the ACC in efficiency his true freshman year has turned some heads. Not casual fans. But other staffs?

If a p5 team is looking for a fix at QB and looked at who might be available - he'd field some calls.

 

[tep624]

Let me preface this by saying I love Dungey, if he can stay healthy kid is clearly going to be a star and clearly the best QB we have had since Mcnabb. That said outside of the people following this program no one really knows about him. If Shafer were fired at the end of the year Art Briles, Richt, D'antonio, Strong etc aren't jumping on a cell phone to call Dungey about a transfer. Could he eventually get to that point, yes but people act like were talking about Coach P getting fired after Mcnabb's Jr year or something.

Word travels fast. And I think there would be a heavy premium on a potential 3 year starter.

 

[dasher]

I'm no Jimmy Chitwood, but that's okay. Merle was always my favorite (which is why it always makes me so sad to remember that the actor who played Merle killed himself in 2003).

By the way: the Chitwood stuff? It's a fact right now, as much as people don't want to believe it. I had one player DM me on Twitter telling me he would absolutely leave if Shafer is fired. I don't think people realize how much these kids love Shafer, and came here for him.

If people knew some of the names who would leave...they'd be terrified for the future of Syracuse football. Obviously I won't say who. But believe me, these are impactful players on this roster.

I wish you hadn't let me know that about Merle.

 

[OburgOrange]

If people knew some of the names who would leave...they'd be terrified for the future of Syracuse football. Obviously I won't say who. But believe me, these are impactful players on this roster.

So let the inmates run the asylum?

 

[JeremyCuse]

Dungey is gaining notoriety. I'd bet he'd have a nice list of possible spots. Leading the ACC in efficiency his true freshman year has turned some heads. Not casual fans. But other staffs?

If a p5 team is looking for a fix at QB and looked at who might be available - he'd field some calls.

I am sure other staffs are saying "hey Syracuse has a good one up there" but honestly a good amount of programs can say that at the D1-A level. From what we have seen so far Dungey has the potential to turn into a great QB, there are very few of those in Div 1. I think he would need to show a high level of play against the FSU's Clemsons etc before the notoriety would really take off.

 

[jekelish]

So let the inmates run the asylum?

That's not at all what I'm saying. But you've got kids buying in, and they have to be part of the equation.

 

[TheCusian]

So let the inmates run the asylum?

Who's running what. They are simply saying if you do x, I'd do y. That's not taking the choice from the AD. He might very well say "a move needs to be made no matter what the cost" - but being aware of the cost should be instructive.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Word travels fast. And I think there would be a heavy premium on a potential 3 year starter.

Maybe but with having to sit a year and the head injury issue I think some people are over evaluating. Now if he plays great vs FSU and Clemson then I think your on the right track.

 

[Chip]

That's not at all what I'm saying. But you've got kids buying in, and they have to be part of the equation.

For the record, I think this is all theory, because Shafer will be back. Team is competitive and very young, so he'll get another year to see it through.

But not making a coaching change because you think the existing players would transfer? That would be groundbreaking. As would them actually transferring. We didn't hire an amateur, Coyle will make the best decision.

 

[jekelish]

For the record, I think this is all theory, because Shafer will be back. Team is competitive and very young, so he'll get another year to see it through.

But not making a coaching change because you think the existing players would transfer? That would be groundbreaking. As would them actually transferring. We didn't hire an amateur, Coyle will make the best decision.

I'm not saying that should be the sole reason, by any stretch. I'm saying it should factor into the overall decision, though.

 

[JeremyCuse]

I'm not saying that should be the sole reason, by any stretch. I'm saying it should factor into the overall decision, though.

Honestly it shouldnt, not even a little bit.

 

[jekelish]

Honestly it shouldnt, not even a little bit.

Jeremy, you know I like you, but by saying this it makes it pretty clear you haven't spent a lot of time around the day to day operations of college athletics. Student-athlete welfare and retention are HUGE. Absolutely immense. They are enormous factors that the people who pay the salaries of AD's and football coaches pay attention to.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Jeremy, you know I like you, but by saying this it makes it pretty clear you haven't spent a lot of time around the day to day operations of college athletics. Student-athlete welfare and retention are HUGE. Absolutely immense. They are enormous factors that the people who pay the salaries of AD's and football coaches pay attention to.

They are huge but when it comes to high end Div 1 Athletics it goes out the window. I can't think of a Div 1 BCS level teams that has retained a coach because they were worried about a player transferring. Miami doesn't seem to worried about Kya leaving.

As noted by many other posters on here when push comes to shove most kids who threaten to transfer end up staying put when the reality of the situation sinks in once the emotions wear off. I like this team and despite the W/L record I still like the staff and hope they can get over the hump. But for Coyle to hold off on making a change at the end of the year if the team is 3-9 and he feels a change is necessary because hes worried about Erv Phillips or Estime or Clark or even Dungey leaving would be idiotic. And thats not a slight on any of those guys because trust me I like all of them a lot as players.

You keep the staff because you feel they are the best fit for the job and have shown you enough to make you feel they are on the cusp not because a few guys from a 6-18 team might bail.

P.S. I still like you to!

 

[IDOC]

I am no fan of sending Shafer off to another job as I feel he is doing just fine here. Has faced a lot of obstacles and as a season ticket holder for 10+ years I am more optimistic now than any year before. I am as tired of losses and the next man but at least the games are fun and at times my wife will even stop shopping on her IPhone and watch the game. If we can get 4-5 more good recruits and keep what we have I think the future is bright. When I see the interviews of these young men they seem reasonably intelligent and well spoken. That is a good thing and one must also remember that they are having the microphone and camera in their face at a young age of 18-20! I am not so sure how well I would have handled that at that age but then again no one asked for my interview - go figure!

 

[GoSU96]

I'm no Jimmy Chitwood, but that's okay. Merle was always my favorite (which is why it always makes me so sad to remember that the actor who played Merle killed himself in 2003).

By the way: the Chitwood stuff? It's a fact right now, as much as people don't want to believe it. I had one player DM me on Twitter telling me he would absolutely leave if Shafer is fired. I don't think people realize how much these kids love Shafer, and came here for him.

If people knew some of the names who would leave...they'd be terrified for the future of Syracuse football. Obviously I won't say who. But believe me, these are impactful players on this roster.

Right now change for the sake of change is stupid, but if they went and got a guy like Harsin or Campbell, nobody in their right mind is leaving.

 

[orangepassion]

Truthfully, if you're worried about players leaving and/or losing recruits , you can never let a coach go.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

We didn't hire an amateur, Coyle will make the best decision.

Yeah in my head I've built Coyle up to be this complete assassin when it comes to this stuff. Not going to blink, not going to falter.