An Open letter to Mark Coyle

[Alsacs]

I did not say that we're letting the players decide. Good god. But they should ABSOLUTELY have their opinions heard. How the hell can you NOT have them be part of the conversation?

Players opinions are OBVIOUS. If the AD or Chancellor need their input their is no reason to make a move.

 

[TheCusian]

Wait a minute we are going to let the players decide if the school should retain a coach. Also we are going to be talking about a program which wouldn't have made postseason play when 80/120 FBS TEAMS(67%) qualify. How about you let the adults make the decisions and then get players input on a committee to find the next coach. Any kid who wouldn't their current coach retained would have an obvious axe to grind. Sorry I don't care what they would want when its obvious.

It's not obvious.

 

[Orangello]

The inmates don't ever run the asylum. Ever.

This program survived for more than 120 years before any of the current players ever set foot on campus and it will be around for more than that after all of us and they, are long gone (except for Barry Baker who's magic eligibility never ends).

Don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out.

 

[TheCusian]

The inmates don't ever run the asylum. Ever. This program survived for more than 120 years before any of the current players ever set foot on campus and it will be around for more than that after all of us and they, are long gone (except for Barry Baker who's magic eligibility never ends). Don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out.

You guys are missing the forest for the trees. It should be considered in this way: if you're making lists of pros and cons, a def pro is that the players and their fa,I lies love and believe in the guy.

You don't hold back on firing the guy because players might leave. But I think you do need to take their endorsement seriously. Especially when it's obvious that they play hard for the guy.

That's no small thing when you lose a bunch. Just ask Al Golden.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

FFS. No one is saying they should dictate who the coach is. But it's absolutely INSANE to suggest they shouldn't be allowed to have their opinion heard.

Their opinion can be heard, and I'm sure it will be. That may not change things. If their unity on this is strong enough to have an impact on Coyle's thinking, whatever that may be, it should be strong enough to get the wins they need to ensure their coach is back.

One other thought - does this cut both ways? I mean, we heard reports that when UCONN fired Pasqualoni the players were high fiving each other and celebrating. Should we consider that a reason why UCONN made the right decision? That feels... weird, yeah?

 

[MadNY3]

Well done sir.

Ummm, OK.

 

[vitaminC]

That 2013 OL was made up of all BE recruits and did pretty damn good.
Trudo, Foy are not bums and have regressed under Adam. Adam has never coached OL a damn day in college coaching career before he got the SU OL JOB.
Our OL has talent the coaching has been poor there. Who is to blame? Doug Marrone?

I am not saying that Foy, Trudo are not good. There is just a different level of athletic skill with the new line that are coming in and the freshman that they got. I think putting Foy/Trudo next to guys who not being rude but are not as talented they would look like they regressed with better players coming in. Again, just my opinion.

 

[RoatanCuse]

Where are they going to go?

Go to another school and sit out a year? (if other FBS programs even want them). Drop to FCS?

I think when kids are presented their options, they understand that staying is in their best interest. You're committing to the school.

I agree with this line of thinking.

 

[Alsacs]

I am not saying that Foy, Trudo are not good. There is just a different level of athletic skill with the new line that are coming in and the freshman that they got. I think putting Foy/Trudo next to guys who not being rude but are not as talented they would look like they regressed with better players coming in. Again, just my opinion.

Atkins recruited Trudo to Syracuse. He chose us over Michigan, Pitt, West Virginia. I thought he had NFL potential thru 2013 and he has regressed under Joe Adam coaching him.
Foy chose Syracuse over Rutgers.

The OL was left stocked by Marrone. This is year 3 of SS the younger guys are his recruits. That is not on Marrone. Our OL has been bad considering the experience we have their now. That is on this coaching staff. Joe Adam has not gotten the job as done as the OL coach and that shouldn't be shocking when the guy never coached OL in college before Scott Shafer hired him to coach Syracuse OL.

 

[rrlbees]

Atkins recruited Trudo to Syracuse. He chose us over Michigan, Pitt, West Virginia. I thought he had NFL potential thru 2013 and he has regressed under Joe Adam coaching him. Foy chose Syracuse over Rutgers. The OL was left stocked by Marrone. This is year 3 of SS the younger guys are his recruits. That is not on Marrone. Our OL has been bad considering the experience we have their now. That is on this coaching staff. Joe Adam has not gotten the job as done as the OL coach and that shouldn't be shocking when the guy never coached OL in college before Scott Shafer hired him to coach Syracuse OL.

Did you know that Pro Football Focus, who does player grading, had the OL as the highest graded unit vs. UVa?

 

[RoatanCuse]

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Right now change for the sake of change is stupid, but if they went and got a guy like Harsin or Campbell, nobody in their right mind is leaving.

Exactly. If these kids see a highly-touted coach with a good system come in, they would be foolish to xfer. Besides, said coach would likely have an eye for talent and be able to upgrade our recruiting. Coyle is no dummy. He sees the big picture pretty darn well. He may not make the call you and I want, but his job is to bring us back to relevancy.

 

[Alsacs]

Did you know that Pro Football Focus, who does player grading, had the OL as the highest graded unit vs. UVa?

Pro Football Focus also had an article that Tom Brady wasn't an elite QB anymore. Sam Monson who runs that site has a crazy evaluation system.
PFF is not the best system. They gave Aaron Rodgers a negative grade 4 weeks ago on MNF.
Rodgers completed 24-of-35 passes for 333 yards and five touchdown passes against zero interceptions, good for a 138.5 passer rating.

That performance got Rodgers a negative grade on PFF. Sorry you can trust them I won't.

 

[rrlbees]

Pro Football Focus also had an article that Tom Brady wasn't an elite QB anymore. Sam Monson who runs that site has a crazy evaluation system. PFF is not the best system. They gave Aaron Rodgers a negative grade 4 weeks ago on MNF. Rodgers completed 24-of-35 passes for 333 yards and five touchdown passes against zero interceptions, good for a 138.5 passer rating. That performance got Rodgers a negative grade on PFF. Sorry you can trust them I won't.

There's other more advanced stats to consider. That's what they do. They also breakdown every play to determine if someone did their job, such as make a block. It may not be a perfect system but it jives with the article quoting coaches and OL about a week ago.

 

[two3zone]

Why would Dungey go anywhere? When was the last time a quarterback after one great year decides to sit out a year to depart to "parts unknown" when momentum is on his side?

Any place Dungey would go if he left would be a lateral movement, not to mention he'd be giving up on his teammates and fans. I call bunk on him even thinking about leaving if HCSS is fired.

All that said, he deserves another year with this young team. If we can't break .500 next year there is no choice but to let him go IMO.

 

[Finwad32]

Atkins recruited Trudo to Syracuse. He chose us over Michigan, Pitt, West Virginia. I thought he had NFL potential thru 2013 and he has regressed under Joe Adam coaching him.
Foy chose Syracuse over Rutgers.

The OL was left stocked by Marrone. This is year 3 of SS the younger guys are his recruits. That is not on Marrone. Our OL has been bad considering the experience we have their now. That is on this coaching staff. Joe Adam has not gotten the job as done as the OL coach and that shouldn't be shocking when the guy never coached OL in college before Scott Shafer hired him to coach Syracuse OL.

Just a couple of points to throw into the discussion:

1) Trudo has been playing injured for the larger part of 2 seasons.

2) Foy has never been more than mediocre. He's relatively stiff without good bend and undersized. Decent athlete, which makes up for some other shortcomings.

3) Adkins is a premier OL Coach and has been for a long time, we were lucky to have him.

 

[Macky44]

For god's sake, I never said it should be dictated SOLELY by this. Just that it should absolutely be one factor taken into consideration.

But I guess people are going to pick and choose things to fit what they want.

It's all about fitting their narrative.

 

[HeaterCuse22]

Just a couple of points to throw into the discussion:

1) Trudo has been playing injured for the larger part of 2 seasons.

2) Foy has never been more than mediocre. He's relatively stiff without good bend and undersized. Decent athlete, which makes up for some other shortcomings.

3) Adkins is a premier OL Coach and has been for a long time, we were lucky to have him.

As was Doug

 

[Alsacs]

It's all about fitting their narrative.

You don't have narrative though. The pro-SS side is the only side to be fully objective and doesn't say anything to fit a narrative.
This comment does nothing for discussion.

The players should have NOTHING to do with the decision Coyle and the Chancellor have to decide. The players opinions are obviously going to be in the coaches favor.

Were Nassib, Chandler Jones, Arthur Jones, Pugh, Carter consulted before Gerg was removed?

 

[Alsacs]

As was Doug

Honestly unless you are close to Eric Dungey how the heck do you know he will leave?
This speculation is wrong. Dungey would need Syracuse to grant him a release. The school wouldn't do this before a potentially new staff could talk to him.

 

[TheCusian]

You don't have narrative though. The pro-SS side is the only side to be fully objective and doesn't say anything to fit a narrative. This comment does nothing for discussion. The players should have NOTHING to do with the decision Coyle and the Chancellor have to decide. The players opinions are obviously going to be in the coaches favor. Were Nassib, Chandler Jones, Arthur Jones, Pugh, Carter consulted before Gerg was removed?

I don't think that's the case. Ask Al Golden.

 

[storange]

Count me in and its getting close to time for Coyle to give Shafer the 100% thumbs up at least for recruiting purpose. You can bet your ass that our opponents are using the hot seat angle on some of our already verballed recruits as we speak.

 

[CuseLegacy]

Honestly unless you are close to Eric Dungey how the heck do you know he will leave?
This speculation is wrong. Dungey would need Syracuse to grant him a release. The school wouldn't do this before a potentially new staff could talk to him.

Some posters have better connections than others to the players and their parents.

 

[Alsacs]

I am not responding to your message anymore. Go ahead and if you want to waste energy you can to do so to mine as I will not tell you what to do. Just know your messages aren't getting a response from.

 

[Scooch]

This whole thread is Crazy Town.

 

[Alsacs]

Some posters have better connections than others to the players and their parents.

They can have connections all they want until the NCAA changes the process for transferring the school would have grant their release.
The school wouldn't grant any releases before a new potential staff could talk to the family and kids.