Another AWFUL crowd being shown at the open of the telecast

[rrlbees]

looks like its on par with Wagner attendence.

The helmets and unis look good though

Since you saw it on TV that means you weren't in the Dome?


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[orangeinjersey]

Since you saw it on TV that means you weren't in the Dome?

yep

 

[ImperialOrange]

I just rewatched the Tulane game last night as well as some of the Wagner game. The crowd looked small but the cameras are doing their best to make it not look pathetic.

What I will say is Thank you to the 20-25k in attendence the past 2 weeks. That is our core fan base and even at half capacity they manage to make the dome loud.

 

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

I have season tickets for the first time this season. I've been to Tulane and Wagner. 4 1/2 hours each way. I thought the attendance was disappointing each time, especially Tulane.

With 2 kids under the ages of 9, the 14 hour minimum investment (usually 18+ if not a night) can cause a tremendous clusterf*ck when it comes to some other things I've fallen behind on. But I promised if they went ACC I would support them so I am doing it this season.

But if I lived locally, and it was just a 4-6 hour commitment? I just cant make sense of more people not coming out on a cold gray wet Saturday.

 

[TBCuse11]

I have season tickets for the first time this season. I've been to Tulane and Wagner. 4 1/2 hours each way. I thought the attendance was disappointing each time, especially Tulane.

With 2 kids under the ages of 9, the 14 hour minimum investment (usually 18+ if not a night) can cause a tremendous clusterf*ck when it comes to some other things I've fallen behind on. But I promised if they went ACC I would support them so I am doing it this season.

But if I lived locally, and it was just a 4-6 hour commitment? I just cant make sense of more people not coming out on a cold gray wet Saturday.

Its sad. We have had our season tix for three years now, and the last couple games are as small a crowd as I can remember. Just pathetic. You know its going to be a small crowd when you hop on 81 South 90 minutes before the game and there isnt a car in site.

 

[wfschrec]

Its sad. We have had our season tix for three years now, and the last couple games are as small a crowd as I can remember. Just pathetic. You know its going to be a small crowd when you hop on 81 South 90 minutes before the game and there isnt a car in site.

You guys aren't allowed to say things like this ... I'm getting roasted for making these types of assertions ... LOL

 

[SUfanNC]

I have been posting in another thread about the same scenarios. I would love to get some ideas going on how to fix the issue. I think we need some insurgence now

 

[shandeezy7]

The one thing I do wonder is how many of the big city alums on this board do actually go to games? I know personally, I'm a season ticket holder, with 5 others. We just can't make it up there more than once, maybe twice per year. But we communicate with each other to make sure the tickets are used, either by someone in the group, or donating them. I can't say we're always successful, but we try a little harder each year to make sure those seats are occupied. To me, at $99 a pop, it's worth it as it should somewhat help the program and guarantees me a good seat (we're first row upper deck endzone) whenever I do want to go.

The whole situation is just frustrating, especially with the way the offense is playing, SU's calling card for football fan support. SU has always seen lesser crowds for lesser opponents (Scooch's 91 opener against Vandy example), but when they announced 35k for that game, you never doubted there were 35k in that building. I was at that Vandy 35k game too, and it didn't appear anywhere near as empty as yesterday's "36k" looked.

I don't think SU is without guilt in the situation. I just think that every segment is lacking when it looks that empty. Locals, alums, students, and SU itself. Everyone can do better. Maybe the Clemson game cures all ills. Agree that the students are a good place to start. SU should figure out a way for all student tix to be free, even if that means recouping in some activity fee. If you apply the money you'd collect from full student sections to football/hoops across the broad base of all students, how much can that add to the bill, $100? $200? Are we going to lose enrollment over that fee?

SU also needs to revisit its pricing structure for the donation level sideline seats. Too long have too many of those seats been unsold. Yet I don't think there have been many changes in the structure. Yet, the upper deck end zone ($99) and corner ($125) have been cut to, by far, as good a discount as you'll see in college football, probably ever.

I could write another whole dissertation on the Oswego people, as I grew up as one of them. But I'll save that for later.

My question is who are all these people buying tickets for these games and not showing up??? You'd have to think the majority of those people are season ticket holders. So if they are buying the tickets, why are they not using them? At the very least, if you can't use them, give them away to someone else. There was an announced crowd of 36,000 and yet just over 20,000 went through the turnstiles. How do 16,000 people pay for a ticket and not go to the game?!? Mind boggling to me.

 

[rrlbees]

My question is who are all these people buying tickets for these games and not showing up??? You'd have to think the majority of those people are season ticket holders. So if they are buying the tickets, why are they not using them? At the very least, if you can't use them, give them away to someone else. There was an announced crowd of 36,000 and yet just over 20,000 went through the turnstiles. How do 16,000 people pay for a ticket and not go to the game?!? Mind boggling to me.

I don't think they sold 36k.


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[shandeezy7]

I don't think they sold 36k.

So that number was literally pulled out of their a$$es? Impressive

 

[OttoMets]

So that number was literally pulled out of their a$$es? Impressive

I think they do invent numbers sometimes. Also keep in mind that they announced that all freshmen would get free tickets. So I imagine that 36,000 figure includes ~4,000 giveaway seats, some of which went unused and uncollected.

 

[shandeezy7]

I think they do invent numbers sometimes. Also keep in mind that they announced that all freshmen would get free tickets. So I imagine that 36,000 figure includes ~4,000 giveaway seats, some of which went unused and uncollected.

I wasn't sure if they actually gave those tix away or just made the students show ID at the gate and let them in free

 

[OttoMets]

I wasn't sure if they actually gave those tix away or just made the students show ID at the gate and let them in free

I'm not sure, either, but counting the entire freshman class as 'sold' sounds like something they'd do, and it accounts for some of the disparity between the announced figure and the number in the building.

Honestly, though (and lost in all these attendance threads), I thought Saturday's crowd was larger than the Wagner crowd. Louder, too. Disappointing to see the building half empty, but we don't draw for noon games.

 

[shandeezy7]

I'm not sure, either, but counting the entire freshman class as 'sold' sounds like something they'd do, and it accounts for some of the disparity between the announced figure and the number in the building.

Honestly, though (and lost in all these attendance threads), I thought Saturday's crowd was larger than the Wagner crowd. Louder, too. Disappointing to see the building half empty, but we don't draw for noon games.

Sounds about right. And yeah, I thought there would be a bigger crowd as well. Although when I showed up at Skytop at 9 a.m. to tailgate and there were maybe 50 other cars there, I knew we were in trouble.

 

[Legendof44]

I work in Oswego and the people I work with who used to be season ticket holders for basketball and the ones who used to attend a few football games a year, no longer do it. I'm constantly trying to get them to attend games. I don't know how many constantly ask me why should they travel 7o miles (that I do daily for work) when they can sit on their couch in the comfort of their homes or a bar and watch all the better games. Bars no longer sponsor bus rides to the dome but now advertise specials to watch the games in the bar on multiple huge widescreen TV's.

I also know a number of SU alums who have moved to NYC, DC, Charlotte, Boston etc who denigrate the locals while they rake their own leaves and are fans via telecommunication. Many locals believe there is a real issue with a perceived snobbery against them by the students and their graduates. Was Jake talking to the locals or the alums living in DC, NC or NYC when he told them to "get a life"? I also have stayed out of this locals vs alums undercurrent on even this board but it does get really old. Where are the 20 to 45 year old fans - alums or locals - because most aren't at the games. Heck SU has to give away tickets to their own students to watch their own team. Maybe I'm crazy but wouldn't that be a great place to start on analyzing the "whys" of low attendance? One just has to look to see the demographics of who actually attend games but oddly it's that same group who tend to be the target of most of the criticism. I'm an Oswego state grad yet the people I sit around in the section who give donations to sit where they do- are locals and not SU grads. I do see one of my high school teachers who I know is an SU grad as the lone alumni in my section. Doesn't that seem strange to anyone? SU needs at the very least CNY to support SU teams because the alumni simply aren't around to do it. Let's start with the students. They are the engine for this program.

Locals are and always will be the LIFEBLOOD of the football/basketball/lax programs. Im that demographic you speak of that you dont see at games which confuses me cause i feel like most the people i see are my age range 33. I couldnt afford SU but was born a diehard orange bleeder and always will be, as are every single one of my friends growing up.