Anyone hear this new stadium rumor

[MaxwellCuse]

Makes no sense. Why put a retractable roof on a hockey/ basketball arena?

The P-S reporter indicated that the retractable roof was one of the possibilities being speculated about in the "rumor mill." To quote her:

"The rumor mill says a new stadium would be built with a combination of government and private funding. It could benefit Syracuse University basketball and football. It could benefit hockey. It could attract big-name concerts. There are details as specific as the cost. They are shooting for a 40,000 seat venue. It could have a retractable roof. There could be a parking garage."

 

[orange79]

The P-S reporter indicated that the retractable roof was one of the possibilities being speculated about in the "rumor mill." To quote her:

"The rumor mill says a new stadium would be built with a combination of government and private funding. It could benefit Syracuse University basketball and football. It could benefit hockey. It could attract big-name concerts. There are details as specific as the cost. They are shooting for a 40,000 seat venue. It could have a retractable roof. There could be a parking garage."

I laughed when I read that article. The final result 'could' be a lot of things. In the end, it 'could' be none of them.

 

[xc84]

I laughed when I read that article. The final result 'could' be a lot of things. In the end, it 'could' be none of them.

Dream squasher!

 

[Cuseregular]

maybe I missed this somewhere in this thread but is SU seriously going to be ok with losing all that game day revenue from parking, concessions and the like? This has to be a consideration right?

 

[Millhouse]

Its near campus, not near main campus housing. There are some new campus housing units right near this location. And your right, Hanover Square is a bit closer than I thought and is walkable. As far as the neighborhood goes...I'll stand by my statement. Its percieved to be a very rough part of the city...but that would change with development.

The development that springs up next to stadiums never seems to turn out like the advocates hope.

Smaller scale, Rochester's soccer stadium - political funding led to them sticking it in a crappy neighborhood hoping for development. attendance suffered, no development

 

[oldpinepoint]

It does, but without terms of the deal who knows what the numbers look like. For example, it might be cheaper for SIDA to own it and rent it to SU than for SU to own it.

 

[MaxwellCuse]

The development that springs up next to stadiums never seems to turn out like the advocates hope.

Smaller scale, Rochester's soccer stadium - political funding led to them sticking it in a crappy neighborhood hoping for development. attendance suffered, no development

Kind of like casinos.

 

[Ottoble]

There use to farm land down along Erie Blvd. many years ago and it was considered muck land. I knew some people who use to farm land down not to far from there along Erie Blvd.in the 80's and the family still runs stands at the farmers market.I remember when they built the jail downtown back in the early 90's they went into the ground really deep and filled it in with a lot of stone.I spent 17 months on that project.

On the first phase of the mall they built it on about 20 feet of stryofoam, destiny they used pilings. They are more worried for the mall popping out of the ground than sinking.I didn't work on the carrier when it was built,but after I did, but I was told they used pilings up there and some were put in for future expansions.

Thanks Retro I was under the impression from previous work that soil was better in the area of Fayette S.Crouse and Erie but we were a bit up the road. Soil is definitely a major issue for the inner harbor for a large building like this.

 

[OttoMets]

Otto, as we talked about before. A lot going on... Not sure you've been to Louisville, but the Yum Center is a classic example of what a building like this could do! As I said just a minute ago, the Verizon Center in DC is a bigger example of how a building like this can change an area culturally!

For sure. My knee-jerk reaction isn't so positive -- I like the dome -- but this could be huge for the city itself.

The Verizon Center was arguably the project that kickstarted the reinvention of not just Chinatown but the whole East End. And I believe that whole neighborhood (as distinct from the rest of downtown Washington) is now one of the ten largest downtown real estate submarkets (in terms of square footage) in the country. We wouldn't see anything on that scale, but a big complex (done properly -- a huge concern, of course) could tie together the Hill and midtown and downtown in a way that nothing else could.

 

[jr4750]

For sure. My knee-jerk reaction isn't so positive -- I like the dome -- but this could be huge for the city itself.

The Verizon Center was arguably the project that kickstarted the reinvention of not just Chinatown but the whole East End. And I believe that whole neighborhood (as distinct from the rest of downtown Washington) is now one of the ten largest downtown real estate markets (in terms of square footage) in the country. We wouldn't see anything on that scale, but a big complex (done properly -- a huge concern, of course) could tie together the Hill and midtown and downtown in a way that nothing else could.

add into that a Hotel Syracuse refurbishment (should that ever happen) and the growth downtown would be astounding!

 

[All4SU]

Well if it were to happen at the Inner Harbor my real estate all of the sudden is looking a whole lot brighter. As someone said earlier, I'll bet the decision has been fast tracked in light of Rt 81 changes.

The redevelopment of the inner harbor is already underway. Can't imagine there would be additional space for an athletic stadiu, when they are done.

 

[All4SU]

I don't think the new stadium located at the inner harbor would miss the 300 hundred students who show up and leave at halftime anyways.

syracuse isn't a college town. it's a pro-town and fans treat Cuse as such - considering none of them went to school there. as has been pointed out a 100x in this thread, it's the townies who support SU athletics and they need to be catered to. You make it easier to get to the game with ample parking and then add new century amenities and it would draw an easy 2k to 5k extra on any given saturday just because. nobody will miss the poor student attendance.

The student number may not be huge. But if you give up on the students, aren't you giving up on the long-term support of those same students in terms of potential financial support of your athletic program?

 

[CusefanATL]

Jake your look at how Wegmans can now use the ACC angle to get into the Carolina's is brilliant...

ive always heard that there was some deal in place that kept them from moving further south.

no idea if that is true or not. just what ive heard a few times.

they would crush publix and kroger.

 

[MaxwellCuse]

ive always heard that there was some deal in place that kept them from moving further south.

no idea if that is true or not. just what ive heard a few times.

they would crush publix and kroger.

Like that deal with Price Chopper that keeps Wegmans out of Albany and Rensselaer counties. I'd be happy to trade you guys a Trader Joes and Whole Foods in exchange for a couple of Wegmans.

 

[retro44]

The block bounded by Bear, Clinton, Court and Solar is not "next door" to the plant.

Destiny already has 9,500 parking spaces, my guess is that 4K+ is across Hiawatha already

It's block away as Van Rensselaer st. leads right in to the main gate of the treatment plant and solar is the next street east of that.

And I believe the city already has or will take the parking lots south of destiny as Congel does not want to pay taxes on those lots. Whats funny bout those lots is when Congel first talked of expanding Destiny onto the footprint of those parking lots,why did he spend millions on the blacktop and permanent light poles if he intended to build here. Those parking lots were made before destiny was. Snake he was.

 

[retro44]

Like that deal with Price Chopper that keeps Wegmans out of Albany and Rensselaer counties. I'd be happy to trade you guys a Trader Joes and Whole Foods in exchange for a couple of Wegmans.

deal

 

[RF2044]

ive always heard that there was some deal in place that kept them from moving further south.

no idea if that is true or not. just what ive heard a few times.

they would crush publix and kroger.

They would crush grocery chains out here in the midwest, too.

Once you've experienced Wegman's, the competition seems like a pale imitation in comparison.

 

[Bayside44]

The Verizon Center was arguably the project that kickstarted the reinvention of not just Chinatown but the whole East End. And I believe that whole neighborhood (as distinct from the rest of downtown Washington) is now one of the ten largest downtown real estate submarkets (in terms of square footage) in the country. We wouldn't see anything on that scale, but a big complex (done properly -- a huge concern, of course) could tie together the Hill and midtown and downtown in a way that nothing else could.[/quote]


Yeah, but...it's within a mile to both The White House and Capitol Hill...that the area was a ghosttown for so long speaks to how poorly DC was run for so long. DC has been completely redone in 20 years, so the Verizon Center was as much if not moreso a beneficiary than a catalyst for development.

 

[OttoMets]

The redevelopment of the inner harbor is already underway. Can't imagine there would be additional space for an athletic stadiu, when they are done.

On the east side of the harbor, there doesn't look to be enough space. (With the nice weather, I walked up there at lunchtime to check it out.)

Pyramid owns the largest parcels; the block bounded by Court, Clinton, Spencer, and Solar is also in private control, with a big warehouse on the south end and some surface parking leased to the school bus company on the northwest corner.

It's block away as Van Rensselaer st. leads right in to the main gate of the treatment plant and solar is the next street east of that.

And I believe the city already has or will take the parking lots south of destiny as Congel does not want to pay taxes on those lots. Whats funny bout those lots is when Congel first talked of expanding Destiny onto the footprint of those parking lots,why did he spend millions on the blacktop and permanent light poles if he intended to build here. Those parking lots were made before destiny was. Snake he was.

I think Pyramid's regained ownership of its lots but has lost the tax exemption for them.

 

[MikeSU02]

SI picking up the story: http://college-basketball.si.com/20...e-roof-stadium-for-university-hoops-football/

 

[OttoMets]

The Verizon Center was arguably the project that kickstarted the reinvention of not just Chinatown but the whole East End. And I believe that whole neighborhood (as distinct from the rest of downtown Washington) is now one of the ten largest downtown real estate submarkets (in terms of square footage) in the country. We wouldn't see anything on that scale, but a big complex (done properly -- a huge concern, of course) could tie together the Hill and midtown and downtown in a way that nothing else could.

Yeah, but...it's within a mile to both The White House and Capitol Hill...that the area was a ghosttown for so long speaks to how poorly DC was run for so long. DC has been completely redone in 20 years, so the Verizon Center was as much if not moreso a beneficiary than a catalyst for development.[/quote]

Abe Pollin knew what was coming, for sure. No way of knowing, but I would guess that the arena accelerated the redevelopment that would have eventually occurred anyway. Without Pollin, probably Chinatown today looks like NoMa - lower rents, less retail, just starting to get built out with a number of empty parcels still remaining.

 

[TexanMark]

Its near campus, not near main campus housing. There are some new campus housing units right near this location. And your right, Hanover Square is a bit closer than I thought and is walkable. As far as the neighborhood goes...I'll stand by my statement. Its percieved to be a very rough part of the city...but that would change with development.

I hope SU will allow light rail to run through the campus...nothing more sez pro-green than light rail...SU-Hospitals-stadium-downtown-armory-near west side-inner harbor-Destiny-Baseball Stadium-Airport to start.

 

[All4SU]

On the east side of the harbor, there doesn't look to be enough space. (With the nice weather, I walked up there at lunchtime to check it out.)

Pyramid owns the largest parcels; the block bounded by Court, Clinton, Spencer, and Solar is also in private control, with a big warehouse on the south end and some surface parking leased to the school bus company on the northwest corner.



I think Pyramid's regained ownership of its lots but has lost the tax exemption for them.

The project to develop the inner harbor was awarded to COR development. They have already cleared oust of the land and dilapidated structures. I'm fairly certain construction of condos, shops, and a satellite for. OCC is planned for this year. I think the inner harbor location has sailed.

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2013/04/construction_of_syracuse_inner.html

 

[KellySyracuse]

Well look at this:

Matt Mulcahy ‏@MattMulcahy6m
Chancellor Syverud says Dome is reaching end of useful life. Extensive renovation is one approach-will consider being tenant in new arena.

 

[retro44]

the carrier dome is 497 feet wide by 570 long http://www.ajc.com/places/syracuse_carrier-dome/

so when you go the map Texanmark posted try to scale it one of the parking lots. the city may have to claim water st. and the buildings north of it to have a stadium with a buffer around it. will the city shutdown Erie Blvd. during games days to leave access open to fire and rescue?

If some has the know how maybe they could superimpose the carrier dome over the Kennedy square footprint