Anyone hear this new stadium rumor

[storange]

I love the Dome. I don't think it is obsolete yet. I'd give it 20 years. But I understand if there are other factors in play (main campus land, route 81, etc).

I am opposed to the public footing the bill for NFL stadiums. Likewise, I would be opposed to the state paying for a new stadium for SU. However, if there is a push for a more "community based" stadium, I guess that would be fine. But I always think college football should be played on campus. I guess something would have to give.

I think we would need a stadium with at least 44,000. And frankly, I've always though 50k was the perfect number for us. And I love that us has the distinction of the largest on campus basketball venue,a nd I don't want to give that up. Again something may have to give.

I also wish we had a decent stadium to host outdoor professional soccer.

Lots of wants there.

Yep dome has 15 to 25 years left. Guess I should not be too concerned, good possibility Im worm fodder by the time this happens.

 

[GoSU96]

who's going to want to sit outside in stadium with a slight north west wind with a sewage treatment next door?

The block bounded by Bear, Clinton, Court and Solar is not "next door" to the plant.

Destiny already has 9,500 parking spaces, my guess is that 4K+ is across Hiawatha already

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Yep dome has 15 to 25 years left. Guess I should not be too concerned, good possibility Im worm fodder by the time this happens.

I doubt it. I say 8-10 years it will be done, tops

 

[KellySyracuse]

Well if it were to happen at the Inner Harbor my real estate all of the sudden is looking a whole lot brighter. As someone said earlier, I'll bet the decision has been fast tracked in light of Rt 81 changes.

 

[MaxwellCuse]

I love the Dome, but I'd take this sitting at Skytop any day.

Looks nice but does it come with pee troughs?


EDIT: What was I thinking? This is Europe. A pee wall is probably more like it.

 

[TexanMark]

who's going to want to sit outside in stadium with a slight north west wind with a sewage treatment next door?

You build a matrix of weather related events that warrant closure. Most of these roofs can close in 15 mins or so.

 

[TexanMark]

Looks nice but does it come with pee troughs?


EDIT: What was I thinking? This is Europe. A pee wall is probably more like it.

LOL yup

Seriously the next stadium better have pee troughs...the men's lines always moved quickly. Add in the circle of water for washing hands, too!

 

[PhatOrange]

#SaveTheCarrierDome

I hate this. I love that the Dome is on campus. Downtown? You better make the old Dome a massive parking garage so more kids can have cars on campus so they can drive to the new stadium. You think student support is weak now? Good luck getting them to trek on public transport on a Centro bus to an Eastern Michigan football game at Noon on a cold Saturday.

The Dome being on campus is an incredibly unique and undervalued asset that connects this University to its athletic programs in a very unique way. I know it has its warts, and I know significant money upgrading may be cost ineffective, but I just think taking this stadium off campus is going to hurt in the long run.

Really don't like the potential move being discussed, but hey, just one man's opinion.

I don't think the new stadium located at the inner harbor would miss the 300 hundred students who show up and leave at halftime anyways.

syracuse isn't a college town. it's a pro-town and fans treat Cuse as such - considering none of them went to school there. as has been pointed out a 100x in this thread, it's the townies who support SU athletics and they need to be catered to. You make it easier to get to the game with ample parking and then add new century amenities and it would draw an easy 2k to 5k extra on any given saturday just because. nobody will miss the poor student attendance.

 

[OttoMets]

Whatever. If there has to be a new stadium, I just want the arch back...

First, that's awesome.

Second, SU has become too tree-phobic. Campus looked a lot nicer even 20 years ago. Lately they've been ripping out mature trees every chance they get.

 

[ImperialOrange]

Anyone have an idea what type of $$$$$$$$ the university values the current dome's land at? Also, what buildings do they want to put in the dome footprint?

Apologies if posted already

 

[Lawrinson14]

Move the stadium downtown instead of putting it on south campus would really dampen student attendance. The Syracuse students are a fickle bunch. And in the dead of winter, standing in the cold, waiting for public transportation is absolutely awful.

And I really hate the idea of getting rid of the Dome. Syracuse basketball is two things (besides Coach B): the zone and the dome. Take one away and we lose a big part of what makes us unique.

 

[Jake]

So here are some things to chew on some of what I've heard, some of what I know and some of what I suspect.

The stadium would be 40-45k seating and one major private backer (See below). Not much knowledge of this concept at the coaching level of the university. Mayor Miner was somewhat caught off guard and this really speaks more to her marginal relationship with the Governor as this seems to have much more county involvement than City , at this point.

There are only a handful of private people/organizations able to back this thing. Congel is probably too toxic to be part of this. I don't see any way there is a Golisano - Cuomo relationship and I don't think Golisano would get anything out of it. I keep coming back to one organization when I think about who could and would get involved. Wegmans. They continue to expand on the east coast and would get significant ROI by getting the Wegman's name all in the minds of people in the Carolinas and Atlanta...etc. They could go after the Piggly Wiggly, Food Lions and other regional grocery stores.

Here's another aspect to consider:
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/01/liquor_store_owners_fight_wegm.html
Could definitely see Danny telling the Governor, we'll fund this stadium, but you let us go into the wine business without hassle.

Kennedy Square is a pretty good location from an infrustructure standpoint with some connotative drawbacks (its in a rough neghborhood, its not near campus, etc). The roadway access is more than adequate...and it could have a huge impact on what is done with route 81. There is space for significant parking and there are existing surface lots all over the place that could be used. Its not walkable from either Armory Square or Hanover Square for most people. So there is opportunity for business development nearby. I would guess this locations was settled on because its almost shovel ready, state owned etc.. Some things to consider with other locations discussed in this thread. Drumlins is a non-starter. Its a logistic nightmare from the traffic management standpoint. Skytop would be perfect IF, IF, IF it had access to 481 off the back side. It doesn't, and with the State looking at a huge investment to rectify Route 81, I don't see any way they would pony up to buid a new interchange near skytop. That leaves only a handful of locations. The near west side site that was going to be the baseball stadium a few years ago is probably too small. The inner harbor site is likely too remote and again, would be poisened by the Congel name. Thats probably why the current site was chosen.

The site really isn't much farther from Marshall Street. Its literally 1/10th of a mile farther from Marshall Street than the Dome. Logistically, getting kids from campus to the site is easier than the current chore of getting townies from Skytop to the dome...however, as had been mentioned, convincing kids to do it is another thing.

Not sure what I think about the retractable roof. Part of me thinks its beign floated as a sexy option to gain public support, no idea how realistic it is. What will be most interesting is the level of control the university will be given over its use.

 

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

A union buddy of mine claims that he is hearing that the new dome would be at the site of the current Dome. I don't know that I buy it at all as I have not heard this ANYWHERE else but it is what it is.

For me, personally, that would be the home run but I dont see how it makes sense in any of the scenarios above in this thread.

 

[OttoMets]

Kennedy Square is a pretty good location from an infrustructure standpoint with some connotative drawbacks (its in a rough neghborhood, its not near campus, etc). The roadway access is more than adequate...and it could have a huge impact on what is done with route 81. There is space for significant parking and there are existing surface lots all over the place that could be used. Its not walkable from either Armory Square or Hanover Square for most people. So there is opportunity for business development nearby. I would guess this locations was settled on because its almost shovel ready, state owned etc.. Some things to consider with other locations discussed in this thread. Drumlins is a non-starter. Its a logistic nightmare from the traffic management standpoint. Skytop would be perfect IF, IF, IF it had access to 481 off the back side. It doesn't, and with the State looking at a huge investment to rectify Route 81, I don't see any way they would pony up to buid a new interchange near skytop. That leaves only a handful of locations. The near west side site that was going to be the baseball stadium a few years ago is probably too small. The inner harbor site is likely too remote and again, would be poisened by the Congel name. Thats probably why the current site was chosen.

The site really isn't much farther from Marshall Street. Its literally 1/10th of a mile farther from Marshall Street than the Dome. Logistically, getting kids from campus to the site is easier than the current chore of getting townies from Skytop to the dome...however, as had been mentioned, convincing kids to do it is another thing.

Not sure what I think about the retractable roof. Part of me thinks its beign floated as a s e x y option to gain public support, no idea how realistic it is. What will be most interesting is the level of control the university will be given over its use.

Not sure about this apparent contradiction, unless I'm misreading. As you note, Kennedy Square is near campus: five blocks from Marshall Street. It's also near Hanover Square -- six city blocks, without hills -- and is certainly not a rough neighborhood. To the extent that it is a neighborhood, it's safe and quiet (though it's really more of a blank canvass than anything).

 

[MaxwellCuse]

If a fellow on TNIAAM who claims to be close to this project is telling the truth this thread belongs on the basketball forum. This guy claims that the "super arena" under discussion by Cuomo and the local pols is NOT for football, but for SU hoops, hockey and concerts. Football (and lacrosse?) would remain in the Dome.

 

[shandeezy7]

Not sure about this apparent contradiction, unless I'm misreading. As you note, Kennedy Square is near campus: five blocks from Marshall Street. It's also near Hanover Square -- six city blocks, without hills -- and is certainly not a rough neighborhood. To the extent that it is a neighborhood, it's safe and quiet (though it's really more of a blank canvass than anything).

Yeah that's not really anymore of a rough neighborhood than the current location of the Dome. Back when Kennedy Square apartments existed and there were other houses and apartments right there, then sure, it was a rough neighborhood. All of that has pretty much been demolished though.

 

[Jake]

Its near campus, not near main campus housing. There are some new campus housing units right near this location. And your right, Hanover Square is a bit closer than I thought and is walkable. As far as the neighborhood goes...I'll stand by my statement. Its percieved to be a very rough part of the city...but that would change with development.

 

[Jake]

If a fellow on TNIAAM who claims to be close to this project is telling the truth this thread belongs on the basketball forum. This guy claims that the "super arena" under discussion by Cuomo and the local pols is NOT for football, but for SU hoops, hockey and concerts. Football (and lacrosse?) would remain in the Dome.

Makes no sense. Why put a retractable roof on a hockey/ basketball arena?

 

[OttoMets]

Its near campus, not near main campus housing. There are some new campus housing units right near this location. And your right, Hanover Square is a bit closer than I thought and is walkable. As far as the neighborhood goes...I'll stand by my statement. Its percieved to be a very rough part of the city...but that would change with development.

Perception, OK.

That takes time and first-hand experience to change, of course.

Ever since the projects came down, it's a night and day change. (And a heck of a real estate investment opportunity, even before the stadium rumor.) A lot more student (and market-rate) housing going up, a couple new hotels and restaurants, and closer to downtown than many realize.

 

[DoubleDee]

Stupid question?

If this is not owned by SU, what will it do to my seasons pricing?
Not that they would need to cover the costs of building, but because they will have a cost to pay the arena for use?
I probably don't understand.

Also, I think students could just walk. I park on Genessee st for every bball and fball game, and it takes me twelve minutes to make the trek. Add 2-3 mins maybe for the extra?

 

[jr4750]

Its near campus, not near main campus housing. There are some new campus housing units right near this location. And your right, Hanover Square is a bit closer than I thought and is walkable. As far as the neighborhood goes...I'll stand by my statement. Its percieved to be a very rough part of the city...but that would change with development.

ala Chinatown in DC, when the Verizon Center got built... Although on a smaller scale. I like the idea for the city a lot!

 

[jr4750]

Perception, OK.

That takes time and first-hand experience to change, of course.

Ever since the projects came down, it's a night and day change. (And a heck of a real estate investment opportunity, even before the stadium rumor.) A lot more student (and market-rate) housing going up, a couple new hotels and restaurants, and closer to downtown than many realize.

Otto, as we talked about before. A lot going on... Not sure you've been to Louisville, but the Yum Center is a classic example of what a building like this could do! As I said just a minute ago, the Verizon Center in DC is a bigger example of how a building like this can change an area culturally!

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Makes no sense. Why put a retractable roof on a hockey/ basketball arena?

Wasn't the retractable roof just a guess by the P-S writer?

Besides, I don't think you can shoehorn a football stadium into the acreage and still have enough room left over for surface parking.

 

[jr4750]

So here are some things to chew on some of what I've heard, some of what I know and some of what I suspect.

The stadium would be 40-45k seating and one major private backer (See below). Not much knowledge of this concept at the coaching level of the university. Mayor Miner was somewhat caught off guard and this really speaks more to her marginal relationship with the Governor as this seems to have much more county involvement than City , at this point.

There are only a handful of private people/organizations able to back this thing. Congel is probably too toxic to be part of this. I don't see any way there is a Golisano - Cuomo relationship and I don't think Golisano would get anything out of it. I keep coming back to one organization when I think about who could and would get involved. Wegmans. They continue to expand on the east coast and would get significant ROI by getting the Wegman's name all in the minds of people in the Carolinas and Atlanta...etc. They could go after the Piggly Wiggly, Food Lions and other regional grocery stores.

Here's another aspect to consider:
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/01/liquor_store_owners_fight_wegm.html
Could definitely see Danny telling the Governor, we'll fund this stadium, but you let us go into the wine business without hassle.

Kennedy Square is a pretty good location from an infrustructure standpoint with some connotative drawbacks (its in a rough neghborhood, its not near campus, etc). The roadway access is more than adequate...and it could have a huge impact on what is done with route 81. There is space for significant parking and there are existing surface lots all over the place that could be used. Its not walkable from either Armory Square or Hanover Square for most people. So there is opportunity for business development nearby. I would guess this locations was settled on because its almost shovel ready, state owned etc.. Some things to consider with other locations discussed in this thread. Drumlins is a non-starter. Its a logistic nightmare from the traffic management standpoint. Skytop would be perfect IF, IF, IF it had access to 481 off the back side. It doesn't, and with the State looking at a huge investment to rectify Route 81, I don't see any way they would pony up to buid a new interchange near skytop. That leaves only a handful of locations. The near west side site that was going to be the baseball stadium a few years ago is probably too small. The inner harbor site is likely too remote and again, would be poisened by the Congel name. Thats probably why the current site was chosen.

The site really isn't much farther from Marshall Street. Its literally 1/10th of a mile farther from Marshall Street than the Dome. Logistically, getting kids from campus to the site is easier than the current chore of getting townies from Skytop to the dome...however, as had been mentioned, convincing kids to do it is another thing.

Not sure what I think about the retractable roof. Part of me thinks its beign floated as a s e x y option to gain public support, no idea how realistic it is. What will be most interesting is the level of control the university will be given over its use.

Jake your look at how Wegmans can now use the ACC angle to get into the Carolina's is brilliant...

 

[KellySyracuse]

I wonder if this is one of the reasons that the proposed Dunkin Donuts factory on Water St has been temporarily postponed

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index....esidential_development_for_empty_syracus.html

"SYRACUSE, N.Y. - A Dunkin' Donuts franchisee is planning a new retail and residential development near the Syracuse Center of Excellence.

The three-story building would be across from the Center of Excellence at East Water and Almond streets, according to plans filed with the city. Ed Wolak, the Dunkin' franchisee behind the plans, declined to comment through a representative."