Belichick to UNC

[outoftownie]

A $20m NIL budget is irrelevant if you bring in a DJU to be your QB.

We will see. I think BB is a better coach and talent evaluator than Mike Norvell. I doubt he ends up with a DJU type QB. I guess we will all find out in a few long months.

 

[Scott11]

I think it's a bad hire, but it'll be interesting. Nobody in the NFL wants him for a reason, and if he does well he'll be back to the NFL in a year or two max. But I don't expect much, he's never coached at the college level and he's a scheme guy, not a guy who's going to coach up fundamentals or pound the recruiting trail.

Bill Belichick doesn't coach up fundamentals?

 

[NKR1978]

We will see. I think BB is a better coach and talent evaluator than Mike Norvell. I doubt he ends up with a DJU type QB. I guess we will all find out in a few long months.

He's sub 500 without Brady. Is he really that good or did he get lucky to have the greatest QB and player in NFL history on his team for 20 years?

Tom Coughlin proved him pretty ordinary with two significantly less talented teams.

This is great for the ACC though. It shows that we're not rolling over for the B1G and SEC.

 

[orangeinohio]

I'm beating a dead horse here but why are there several assumptions that BB is going to do anything that is considerably better than what Alabama, Georgia, Texas, OSU are already doing?
These are high-powered, heavily-funded programs that have been developing NFL talent for years.

UNC is a mediocre program in the ACC which has been taken over by an incredibly expensive senior citizen who has never worked with college players. I don't care about farming out the relationships to his assistants; you can't be the head coach and have no relationship with players.

 

[corpjet]

This isn't going to end well, apparently he hasn't talked to the veteran coaches who couldnt get out of the NIL ruled NCAA fast enough.

I think this was a last ditch effort to get his son a job knowing the NFL wasn't calling anytime soon.

 

[Scooch]

For this to be considered a true success, UNC has to immediately compete for the ACC title and a playoff spot. They could have hired anyone, far more inexpensively, to aspire to 7-8 wins and a mediocre bowl game.

I think Bill has to be great right out of the gate. He has to crush the portal now, like literally as we speak. He has to win 10+ and be in line for the ACC champ game this coming season. He has to strike while the novelty of playing for the NFL HC GOAT has resonance, and while the UNC boosters are all in in handing out gobs of NIL money.

I suspect that if UNC has a 7-8 win season the novelty dissipates quickly and top players go get their large NIL deals from any one of the other five dozen schools who are playing that game.

This will be fascinating to watch.

 

[Scooch]

Also, UNC's schedule is quite favorable next season. They have TCU, Charlotte, Richmond and UCF out of conference. ACC slate is Cal, NC State, Clemson, Duke, Stanford, UVA, Syracuse, Wake Forest.

There are 8 wins there even if they had just hired a run of the mill guy to replace Mack. BB's gonna be expected to top that.

 

[Stern]

i think a lot of people in this thread are looking at this all wrong.

1) UNC is paying this money and getting in the "Bill Belichick business" because they see it as a ticket into the Big 10 or SEC once the Big 10/SEC splinter off and do their own thing. It makes them much more attractive to both conferences. Having Bill as their head coach for a few years puts them in a new light, changes the perception around them, and gives them some cache.

2) From Belichick's perspective, he is only taking this job to get back into the NFL. If an NFL team called him tomorrow and made him an offer, he would be taking it. The red flag with him is that he is old and cannot connect to the "young" and "modern" athlete. If he can go to UNC for a year or two, have mild success, fake crack a smile and look like he is having fun with the 19 year olds, win 8 games or so each year, then an NFL team may come calling then with a job offer where he can break Shula's record. 75 is the new 55.

There is a "LONG PLAY" here both for UNC and Bill, and they are using each other.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

i think a lot of people in this thread are looking at this all wrong.

1) UNC is paying this money and getting in the "Bill Belichick business" because they see it as a ticket into the Big 10 or SEC once the Big 10/SEC splinter off and do their own thing. It makes them much more attractive to both conferences. Having Bill as their head coach for a few years puts them in a new light, changes the perception around them, and gives them some cache.

2) From Belichick's perspective, he is only taking this job to get back into the NFL. If an NFL team called him tomorrow and made him an offer, he would be taking it. The red flag with him is that he is old and cannot connect to the "young" and "modern" athlete. If he can go to UNC for a year or two, have mild success, fake crack a smile and look like he is having fun with the 19 year olds, win 8 games or so each year, then an NFL team may come calling then with a job offer where he can break Shula's record. 75 is the new 55.

There is a "LONG PLAY" here both for UNC and Bill, and they are using each other.

I don't agree with any of this

 

[HRE Otto IV]

i think a lot of people in this thread are looking at this all wrong.

1) UNC is paying this money and getting in the "Bill Belichick business" because they see it as a ticket into the Big 10 or SEC once the Big 10/SEC splinter off and do their own thing. It makes them much more attractive to both conferences. Having Bill as their head coach for a few years puts them in a new light, changes the perception around them, and gives them some cache.

2) From Belichick's perspective, he is only taking this job to get back into the NFL. If an NFL team called him tomorrow and made him an offer, he would be taking it. The red flag with him is that he is old and cannot connect to the "young" and "modern" athlete. If he can go to UNC for a year or two, have mild success, fake crack a smile and look like he is having fun with the 19 year olds, win 8 games or so each year, then an NFL team may come calling then with a job offer where he can break Shula's record. 75 is the new 55.

There is a "LONG PLAY" here both for UNC and Bill, and they are using each other.

The B1G and SEC are already fighting over UNC. They didn't need to use a publicity stunt to get noticed.

 

[cusefan88]

His tenure with the Pats went downhill when he became GM. I'm sure he can coach but who's to say they can identify the right players?

 

[UD1954]

Most GOATS have a hard time coaching players of average talent which most college rosters are... the Belichick hire is good for promo but will be lacking on the field ...jmho

 

[Stern]

The B1G and SEC are already fighting over UNC. They didn't need to use a publicity stunt to get noticed.

and they want to make sure it stays that way. UNC knows what its doing

 

[Reilly35]

Belichick never liked to pay top players ala Chandler Jones. He’s going to freak at what some kids are getting in NIL

 

[Scooch]

i think a lot of people in this thread are looking at this all wrong.

1) UNC is paying this money and getting in the "Bill Belichick business" because they see it as a ticket into the Big 10 or SEC once the Big 10/SEC splinter off and do their own thing. It makes them much more attractive to both conferences. Having Bill as their head coach for a few years puts them in a new light, changes the perception around them, and gives them some cache.

2) From Belichick's perspective, he is only taking this job to get back into the NFL. If an NFL team called him tomorrow and made him an offer, he would be taking it. The red flag with him is that he is old and cannot connect to the "young" and "modern" athlete. If he can go to UNC for a year or two, have mild success, fake crack a smile and look like he is having fun with the 19 year olds, win 8 games or so each year, then an NFL team may come calling then with a job offer where he can break Shula's record. 75 is the new 55.

There is a "LONG PLAY" here both for UNC and Bill, and they are using each other.

Yeah, this is all wrong.

1) UNC would be welcomed with open, loving arms into the B1G or SEC the second they decide to leave the ACC. They certainly don't need Belichick for that.

2) He's literally taking this job because all the NFL HC doors are closed. And they ain't reopening for a 74 year old who flaked off to college.

 

[Scooch]

His tenure with the Pats went downhill when he became GM. I'm sure he can coach but who's to say they can identify the right players?

Huh? He was the GM from day 1 when he was hired in 2000.

He was a freakin' excellent GM for nearly 2 decades... until he wasn't. It happens.

 

[Scooch]

Belichick never liked to pay top players ala Chandler Jones. He’s going to freak at what some kids are getting in NIL

Bill was working within the constraints of a hard salary cap. And he worked it masterfully for 20 years.

The guy literally demanded that UNC quintuple its NIL budget. I think he'll be quite comfortable on that front.

 

[Scooch]

and they want to make sure it stays that way. UNC knows what its doing

This is silly. On what planet would UNC fall out of favor with the B1G and SEC? Are they in danger of not being one of the preeminent public universities with a gigantic fan base and a legendary history of athletics success?

 

[SkyTopBus44]

Who had Bill Belichick roaming the sidelines of the Dome next fall on their scorecard a month ago?

 

[xc84]

Bill was working within the constraints of a hard salary cap. And he worked it masterfully for 20 years.

The guy literally demanded that UNC quintuple its NIL budget. I think he'll be quite comfortable on that front.

He'll get the money but even in this day and age, recruiting is about more than the money. He has zero recruiting experience. I find it hard to believe he will have the charisma and patience necessary to talk to and woo an 18 year old kid.

 

[orangefog]

He'll get the money but even in this day and age, recruiting is about more than the money. He has zero recruiting experience. I find it hard to believe he will have the charisma and patience necessary to talk to and woo an 18 year old kid.

It seems that the great college recruiters can walk in to a kid's living room and tell his parents that he is going to look after him and help him become a great man. Who knows if BB can do that.

 

[orangeinohio]

They're obviously going to get better if they're at least doubling (maybe tripling?) the amount of money that is being spent on coaches and players.
I just don't see this as a revolution. (This is my word; I'm not saying someone else used this.)
There are a lot of pretty smart coaches in CFB.

He'll be gone in 2, maybe 3 years and Steve takes over. And Bill can go back to french-kissing 25 year old's.

 

[pokercuse08]

feel like someone would want him in the NFL, I mean not sure what more he’d need to prove winning that much (yes I know Brady etc) Maybe he’s burned some bridges idk.

His main coaching goal at this point is Shula's record, but he's been stuck on the shelf. The NFL perspective is that he wasn't all that without Brady, he's not getting any younger, and he's a pain in the ass to work with. If he has success at UNC, he may be able to reverse the first two perceptions and get back to the NFL.

 

[djcon57]

For this to be considered a true success, UNC has to immediately compete for the ACC title and a playoff spot. They could have hired anyone, far more inexpensively, to aspire to 7-8 wins and a mediocre bowl game.

I think Bill has to be great right out of the gate. He has to crush the portal now, like literally as we speak. He has to win 10+ and be in line for the ACC champ game this coming season. He has to strike while the novelty of playing for the NFL HC GOAT has resonance, and while the UNC boosters are all in in handing out gobs of NIL money.

I suspect that if UNC has a 7-8 win season the novelty dissipates quickly and top players go get their large NIL deals from any one of the other five dozen schools who are playing that game.

This will be fascinating to watch.

I think it's an INTERESTING move and we'll see what happens, but the hysterical over the top reactions by ESPN are hilarious.

Someone on one of the morning shout shows said it would transform college football. Reaction seems similar to when Spurrier or Chip Kelly went to the Pros...it was a game changer until it wasn't.

The closer reality of the situation is nobody in the NFL wanted Belichick and his squad of Lombardi, McDaniel, Patrica, etc that comes along with it. We'll see how he does.

 

[Reilly35]

Bill was working within the constraints of a hard salary cap. And he worked it masterfully for 20 years.

The guy literally demanded that UNC quintuple its NIL budget. I think he'll be quite comfortable on that front.

I can see that because a lot of that hard salary cap was Brady.