Benny Out The Rest of the Season

[Cuse181]

Some interesting thoughts from Etan and DC.

Derrick Coleman isn't confident Benny Williams will be back next year

Etan Thomas speaks with Derrick Coleman about the Syracuse men's basketball team and the future of Benny Williams.

www.basketballnews.com

God that was the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard, I respect those guys but that was all rambling. Zero reference to what Benny has already said multiple times and completely discounts their own argument by bringing up jesse.

 

[orangemass]

Helps that Moten lives a couple minutes from the Dome. I saw him lifting weights in his front yard last night.

Don't see a lot of front yard weight lifting... That's hard core

 

[shandeezy7]

Don't see a lot of front yard weight lifting... That's hard core

Especially when it's 28 degrees out

 

[Willy75]

It isn't just about Benny

Ok. To address some of their other points our bench this year and last is and was as animated as any other team I’ve seen. I watched Kadary this year and his demeanor hasn’t changed at all from last. He got about as many minutes this year as he would have gotten had he stayed. He peaked at the same time this year as last.

 

[OttoMets]

Especially when it's 28 degrees out

Oh it was at least a balmy 39 by that time yesterday.

 

[FrancoPizza]

God that was the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard, I respect those guys but that was all rambling. Zero reference to what Benny has already said multiple times and completely discounts their own argument by bringing up jesse.

To be fair, Ryan Blackwell was saying the exact same things about Kadary last year and we know what happened.

Benny's confidence has been wrecked. He didn't suddenly forget how to play basketball. And from what dasher said, if we lose Benny we almost certainly lose that PG recruit.

 

[Dcuse]

I feel like Etan has it out for Boeheim a little bit. He is on local talk radio a lot and often criticizes his coaching decisions and, honestly, I don’t recall him saying much nice about him. Both these guys were at a level coming into college ball that was much different than Benny. They were immensely more ready. They wouldn’t be able to understand the situation through a different vantage point so their comments should be taken with a grain. Frankly, I’m disappointed in both of them.

 

[FrancoPizza]

If they care about the program, they'll support and lift Benny up the same way they stayed in touch with Jesse last year.

 

[pearl31]

with DC it almost sounds like he's coming from a place of feeling snubbed/disrespected by JB, like recently - did anything happen with those two?

 

[Cuse181]

To be fair, Ryan Blackwell was saying the exact same things about Kadary last year and we know what happened.

Benny's confidence has been wrecked. He didn't suddenly forget how to play basketball. And from what dasher said, if we lose Benny we almost certainly lose that PG recruit.

People said the same thing about frank last year too, and yet here we are. I’m sorry but just because these guys APPEAR to have a finger on the pulse of the team, it doesn’t mean they actually do. If Benny transfers, it’s unfortunate but so be it. I’m not going to sweat a couple former players shooting the s*** and briefly comparing Benny’s situation to Kadary’s despite them being entirely different (one performed, the other largely didn’t, one never said he was coming back while the other has said it many many times, one was frustrated due to not getting earned minutes while the other was seemingly frustrated because he wasn’t playing up to his own expectations.)

 

[miamicuse]

One thing to remember, the JB during Coleman and Thomas era is not the same JB today. He is much older and more set in his ways, people grow more stubborn older they get. Also Coleman and Thomas have a more personal relationship with JB because JB recruited and ran practices so they see him differently from the JB of today who takes fewer recruiting trips and have ACs run practices, he is no longer close to the players.

 

[DoctorBombay]

I feel like I’m reading Chinese looking at some of these responses to Etan & DC’s podcast.
Why does a different take have to mean something nefarious from 2 former players who have given no indications whatsoever, that they have a personal issue with JB? Hell, I love JB and always have- but don’t get me started about bench usage, 100% zone, or allocated PT for players…because I WILL tell you how much i disagree with him. And yet somehow that’s always construed as negativity, or “having an agenda”, or some other such nonsense.
Jim Boeheim is not above reproach. He has underperformed, by his lofty standards, for a good 8 yrs or so, barring some runs in the offseason. And i was one of those who closed my eyes to what was happening, because of the mistaken belief that “only the Tournament matters”, so a couple of March Madness wins i thought were enough. I have changed my mind on that, and realize that there were many obvious symptoms, of a much deeper disease.
Let’s not attach false equivalence to every criticism. Let’s not question the motives of fellow Orangemen, because they are asking the questions that rightfully need to be asked. JMHO

 

[orangecuse]

I feel like I’m reading Chinese looking at some of these responses to Etan & DC’s podcast.
Why does a different take have to mean something nefarious from 2 former players who have given no indications whatsoever, that they have a personal issue with JB? Hell, I love JB and always have- but don’t get me started about bench usage, 100% zone, or allocated PT for players…because I WILL tell you how much i disagree with him. And yet somehow that’s always construed as negativity, or “having an agenda”, or some other such nonsense.
Jim Boeheim is not above reproach. He has underperformed, by his lofty standards, for a good 8 yrs or so, barring some runs in the offseason. And i was one of those who closed my eyes to what was happening, because of the mistaken belief that “only the Tournament matters”, so a couple of March Madness wins i thought were enough. I have changed my mind on that, and realize that there were many obvious symptoms, of a much deeper disease.
Let’s not attach false equivalence to every criticism. Let’s not question the motives of fellow Orangemen, because they are asking the questions that rightfully need to be asked. JMHO

Hey now. You're the one that apprised me that, "one man's perspective is another man's Debbie Downer."

 

[DoctorBombay]

Hey now. You're the one that apprised me that, "one man's perspective is another man's Debbie Downer."

Touché’, my good man. Well played.

 

[rrlbees]

Not saying they’re wrong. But even Etan seems a little clueless about the landscape. He’s like, if I was the Maryland coach, I’d be on the horn to Benny saying, come here and you won’t have to deal with this nonsense. But Maryland doesn’t even have a head coach right now! They’re a mess. And Ewing is about to get the boot at Gtown.

It’s a BS article/podcast. Etan has been anti SU for a few years. He does more bad than good. Hopefully DC doesn’t follow him down that road. And the sad part is they’re wrong about most stuff.

 

[rrlbees]

To be fair, Ryan Blackwell was saying the exact same things about Kadary last year and we know what happened.

Benny's confidence has been wrecked. He didn't suddenly forget how to play basketball. And from what dasher said, if we lose Benny we almost certainly lose that PG recruit.

You didn’t pay attention to what Blackwell said then.

 

[FrancoPizza]

You didn’t pay attention to what Blackwell said then.

I remember the podcast, but I'd rather spare the jury from reliving those details.

 

[Dcuse]

I feel like I’m reading Chinese looking at some of these responses to Etan & DC’s podcast.
Why does a different take have to mean something nefarious from 2 former players who have given no indications whatsoever, that they have a personal issue with JB? Hell, I love JB and always have- but don’t get me started about bench usage, 100% zone, or allocated PT for players…because I WILL tell you how much i disagree with him. And yet somehow that’s always construed as negativity, or “having an agenda”, or some other such nonsense.
Jim Boeheim is not above reproach. He has underperformed, by his lofty standards, for a good 8 yrs or so, barring some runs in the offseason. And i was one of those who closed my eyes to what was happening, because of the mistaken belief that “only the Tournament matters”, so a couple of March Madness wins i thought were enough. I have changed my mind on that, and realize that there were many obvious symptoms, of a much deeper disease.
Let’s not attach false equivalence to every criticism. Let’s not question the motives of fellow Orangemen, because they are asking the questions that rightfully need to be asked. JMHO

Above reproach? Are you kidding me? The guy is trashed up and down as much as any human being can be particularly on this board. As far as your comments on the 2 former Orangemen...I’m going to guess you don’t listen to Etan on local radio here in town. You wouldn’t come out of it thinking Etan considers Boeheim his BFF. Trust me on that.

 

[djcon57]

Why does a different take have to mean something nefarious from 2 former players who have given no indications whatsoever, that they have a personal issue with JB?

Believe it's called "fair game".

 

[rrlbees]

I remember the podcast, but I'd rather spare the jury from reliving those details.

You only remember the part of what he said that you wanted to remember.

 

[rrlbees]

I feel like I’m reading Chinese looking at some of these responses to Etan & DC’s podcast.
Why does a different take have to mean something nefarious from 2 former players who have given no indications whatsoever, that they have a personal issue with JB? Hell, I love JB and always have- but don’t get me started about bench usage, 100% zone, or allocated PT for players…because I WILL tell you how much i disagree with him. And yet somehow that’s always construed as negativity, or “having an agenda”, or some other such nonsense.
Jim Boeheim is not above reproach. He has underperformed, by his lofty standards, for a good 8 yrs or so, barring some runs in the offseason. And i was one of those who closed my eyes to what was happening, because of the mistaken belief that “only the Tournament matters”, so a couple of March Madness wins i thought were enough. I have changed my mind on that, and realize that there were many obvious symptoms, of a much deeper disease.
Let’s not attach false equivalence to every criticism. Let’s not question the motives of fellow Orangemen, because they are asking the questions that rightfully need to be asked. JMHO

I personally have a problem with a former player who claims to be a big SU bball supporter basically encouraging a kid to transfer. There’s ways to do things without negatively recruiting against us.

 

[DoctorBombay]

Above reproach? Are you kidding me? The guy is trashed up and down as much as any human being can be particularly on this board. As far as ayour comments on the 2 former Orangemen...I’m going to guess you don’t listen to Etan on local radio here in town. You wouldn’t come out of it thinking Etan considers Boeheim his BFF. Trust me on that.

Fair enough.
Quick question: When does the truth enter into it? Trashed is way too general a term and believe me, the haters who constantly gripe about minutiae that has nothing to do with JB’s job as HC, are easily identifiable and easily dismissed, no? JB doesn’t need to defend himself, his record speaks for itself. But there are aspects of that same record, that are fair game for legit & verifiable criticism.
I could care less about peripheral bs. But he HAS been slipping in recruiting, talent evaluation, and last 2 years especially, roster construction.
That’s fair criticism that shouldn’t be wholly dismissed regardless of where it comes from, and especially from alums & players. Doug Gottlieb stating that JB should stop playing “ Daddy ball”, was unfortunately, correct…IMO. If the shoe fits, JB needs to wear it, just like anyone else. JMHO.

 

[DoctorBombay]

I personally have a problem with a former player who claims to be a big SU bball supporter basically encouraging a kid to transfer. There’s ways to do things without negatively recruiting against us.

Bees, all due respect but I didn’t read those comments like that at all.
After last season, I think Etan and DC suffer from the same PTSD as most SU fans do. I didn’t read anything there to suggest they were “encouraging” Benny to leave.
But they know how the game is played, that rivals and others are circling looking for an opportunity. They expressed their opinion on it, as they should. JMHO