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Bills stinking up the place so far.

I think Manuel and Winston who will be next are very over hyped players on Fla. St. teams that are loaded at every position with exceptional team speed.

How many college teams can match up against 3-4 W.R. SETS and running backs that Fla. St. puts on the field that is probably faster than almost D.B'S they play against with very few exceptions. The pros are a whole different game as team speed is much closer than what you see on the college level.

Winston should probably stick to baseball as it is proven that he is a knucklehead for all the trouble he puts himself in and jimbo is not doing Winston or his team any favors by allowing incident after incident to carry on without a decent punishment.
 
Manuel looked fine in the second half. He and nassib are both backups. Marrone and Whaley are nuts. I wanted them to draft Manuel but I don't want them spending three first rounders on one qb (trading for watkins was about ej)
I think EJ can be a legit starter in this league but it scares me to death that we have so much talent at pretty much every other position yet are dependant upon a second year QB and Tuel/Lewis to lead us to the playoffs. If Manuel plays like he's capable of and stays healthy then no worries but if he struggles or gets hurt we have to rely on Tuel/Lewis? Why does it seem the Bills coaches are the only ones who deem those two as backup QB worthy? I'd feel much more confident if EJ had a game managing vet behind him.

Also worth noting on the offensive side.. Hackett better be playing vanilla this preseason if he wishes to continue coaching in the NFL.
 
Did I waste $15 bucks on Slammin' Sammy Watkins for nothing? Or is he going to be okay. All Manuel needs to do this throw him screens in the slot and throw him deep balls.

Manuel is going to cause the Bills to go 5-11 and give the Browns a top 10 pick.
 
Did I waste $15 bucks on Slammin' Sammy Watkins for nothing? Or is he going to be okay. All Manuel needs to do this throw him screens in the slot and throw him deep balls.

Manuel is going to cause the Bills to go 5-11 and give the Browns a top 10 pick.
We could put Sammy in motion but i'm not sure the Bills know that it's legal.

There is absolutely no way any team in the NFL can cover Watkins/Woods/Williams/Goodwin so somehow, someway, a passing game needs to be figured out. For the life of me I can't understand why we look so offensively boring and inept this preseason. We run the same 5 plays over and over it seems. This can't be what the regular season is going to look like...can it?
 
We could put Sammy in motion but i'm not sure the Bills know that it's legal.

There is absolutely no way any team in the NFL can cover Watkins/Woods/Williams/Goodwin so somehow, someway, a passing game needs to be figured out. For the life of me I can't understand why we look so offensively boring and inept this preseason. We run the same 5 plays over and over it seems. This can't be what the regular season is going to look like...can it?
Manuel is a bottom 10 starting QB in the NFL. That offense should be top 10 as it has way more weapons than my Patriots, but the difference in QB is gigantic. Buffalo has the 2nd most talent in the AFC East, but I think they finish last because of Manuel.
 
Did I waste $15 bucks on Slammin' Sammy Watkins for nothing?
I learned last season after drafting CJ Spiller high to not waste roster space on Bills players.

So of course I drafted Mike Williams this year.
 
This can't be what the regular season is going to look like...can it?
Don't forget, Marrone is super paranoid. He doesn't want to show anything.

If he could get away with running the same 4 plays in the preseason, he would.
 
Manuel is a bottom 10 starting QB in the NFL. That offense should be top 10 as it has way more weapons than my Patriots, but the difference in QB is gigantic. Buffalo has the 2nd most talent in the AFC East, but I think they finish last because of Manuel.
If you look at just talent minus QB and Coaching...Buffalo is as talented as anyone, I truly believe that. Manuel/Hackett are scaring me this preseason. I like Marrone and with Schwartz, it looks like the D won't miss much of a beat but some kind of switch has to flip against Chicago for the QB/OC or Buffalo fans will officially lose their ish.
 
Don't forget, Marrone is super paranoid. He doesn't want to show anything.

If he could get away with running the same 4 plays in the preseason, he would.
I really hope you're right because the playcalling this preseason has been handoff, handoff, dumpoff with an intermediate to deep pass sprinkled in on a rare occassion.

I have a sneaking suspicion that Buffalo's offense will be wayyyyyy more dynamic come regular season, but since im a Bills fan, i'm sure i'll be proven wrong.
 
If you look at just talent minus QB and Coaching...Buffalo is as talented as anyone, I truly believe that. Manuel/Hackett are scaring me this preseason. I like Marrone and with Schwartz, it looks like the D won't miss much of a beat but some kind of switch has to flip against Chicago for the QB/OC or Buffalo fans will officially lose their ish.
Honestly I can't see the Bills making the playoffs barring a season ending injury to Tom Brady.

Denver/New England are tier above every other AFC team
Indy/Cincinnati/Pittsburgh/San Diego would be my 3-6 in the AFC.
Baltimore/Jets would be my 7-8 in the AFC.
 
Honestly I can't see the Bills making the playoffs barring a season ending injury to Tom Brady.

Denver/New England are tier above every other AFC team
Indy/Cincinnati/Pittsburgh/San Diego would be my 3-6 in the AFC.
Baltimore/Jets would be my 7-8 in the AFC.
I don't expect anyone to think the Bills will make the playoffs. Despite stockpiling talent all over the field, it comes down to QB and coaching. When a team has unproven coaching with unproven QB play and a history of losing, noone will take you seriously until you...win.
 
I think this deserves it's own thread. I go with Nassib. I did before the draft and I do now. Not that I think either guy is all that great.

neither will ever be anything more than a borderline qb2. Marrone will be lucky to survive this year as well. He should not have brought Hackett with him. Dude cant call a game or scheme effectively.
 
If you look at just talent minus QB and Coaching...Buffalo is as talented as anyone, I truly believe that. Manuel/Hackett are scaring me this preseason. I like Marrone and with Schwartz, it looks like the D won't miss much of a beat but some kind of switch has to flip against Chicago for the QB/OC or Buffalo fans will officially lose their ish.
Marrone's in a tough spot. He was very clear when taking the job that he wanted to be with the Bills because he thought they had the best talent of the jobs available.

So... if the team doesn't perform, there are really only two places to look, and like you said that's QB and Coaching.
 
Honestly I can't see the Bills making the playoffs barring a season ending injury to Tom Brady.

Denver/New England are tier above every other AFC team
Indy/Cincinnati/Pittsburgh/San Diego would be my 3-6 in the AFC.
Baltimore/Jets would be my 7-8 in the AFC.
Miami and KC are also better. Bills are not a top 10 team in the AFC. Status quo.
 
I'm waiting for Millhouse's and Jeremy's take.


Not sure if your looking for me to give my thoughts on the Bills or the Manuel vs Nassib argument but I will try to do both.

First off in regards to Manuel vs Nassib its nearly impossible to make any sort of real comparison because Manuel has played mostly vs 1st team defenses and Nassib against 2's an 3's. I like Ryan, was a good player here and helped put Syracuse on the map. He also seems to be playing well and even though Kaiser probably won't be thrilled he seems a lock to be the Giants #2. That being said without seeing Ryan facing #1 defenses and going against the like of Bill Bellichek, Rex Ryan etc its hard for me to say who is the better QB especially when Nassib has taken exactly zero snaps in an actual game. Also I dont think people understand how different it is playing against a second and third team in the preseason. Manuel in the third quarter against a good chunk of second team guys (some starters were in but not many) went 11-11 with a TD and two scoring drives for the Bills in the second half Saturday.


As for the Bills themselves I felt like I was re-living the last decade of ineptitude in one game. I think everyone knew before last years draft that Manuel had a lot of question marks about his ability to be a franchise guy. Unfortunately Buffalo picked the one year to finally draft a a QB in the first round where there wasn't a consensus top guy or even a few definite round 1 types. I think they felt Manuel was the best of what was available and they were at a point where they had to draft a QB period.

To me Manuel's issues are his lack of accuracy ( a huge killer), his ability to stay healthy, and his ability to actually read through to his 3rd and 4th progressions. Combine that with Hackett's playcalling that seems to jump all over the place and about 20 first half penalties (three of which were bull sh$t and wiped out two huge runs by CJ on Saturday) and you get the performance you saw on Saturday. My biggest issue with the Bills and the front office was that they didnt bring a veteran or even a high upside young guy to compete for the second spot. Dennis dixon is awful, Lewis is only slightly better, and Jeff Tuel scares absolutley no one. It does appear that Marrone and Waley are at least acknowledging theres nothing behind Manuel, so I am hopeful some type of move can be made. I know Orton is out there, he should be signed immediately. Ditto for another veteran, hell at this point I would bring in Tebow we have nothing to lose.

The good news for Bills fans is that the Defense looks really good (though that secondary still leaves a lot to be desired), theres plenty of depth at WR and the O line, the LB's seem to be doing OK despite losing Alonso and the FG kicker is very good. The key for Buffalo is the same as it always is, can the offense put up points consistently and can there team as a whole stop imploding late and finding new and excrutiating ways to lose.
 
Buffalo is apparently looking for a new backup QB according to a bunch of reports. People keep bringing up Christian Ponder which i'm cool with. Just give me a veteran QB to back up EJ. I can't deal with Tuel/Lewis anymore.
 
Marrone has been pushing the team HARD this preseason as well. Let's see how that plays out.
 
Buffalo is apparently looking for a new backup QB according to a bunch of reports. People keep bringing up Christian Ponder which i'm cool with. Just give me a veteran QB to back up EJ. I can't deal with Tuel/Lewis anymore.

Eh not sure Ponder is any better then what we already have but I wouldnt be against bringing him in.
 
Buffalo is apparently looking for a new backup QB according to a bunch of reports. People keep bringing up Christian Ponder which i'm cool with. Just give me a veteran QB to back up EJ. I can't deal with Tuel/Lewis anymore.
Ponder sucks. The Bills just need to hope Manuel develops. They went all-in with Watkins because Marrone knows he is done barring an 8-8/9-7.
 
Buffalo is apparently looking for a new backup QB according to a bunch of reports. People keep bringing up Christian Ponder which i'm cool with. Just give me a veteran QB to back up EJ. I can't deal with Tuel/Lewis anymore.
remember when Marrone was so worried about having some other team snag Jeff Tuel last year? That was funny. such a weird love affair. the guy can't throw the ball!

might've cost them 2 games last year, definitely cost them the KC game
 
Do NYG, NE, or Philly all keep three QB's?

I'd think Barkley/Sanchez, Ponder, or Mallet would all be better options.

Who gets first dibs on the waiver wire, St Louis or Buffalo?
 
Do NYG, NE, or Philly all keep three QB's?

I'd think Barkley/Sanchez, Ponder, or Mallet would all be better options.

Who gets first dibs on the waiver wire, St Louis or Buffalo?
Houston gets first dibs and they will take Mallet if he is cut. Philly will deal Sanchez to St. Louis because of Scottenheimer connection, Ponder sucks.

Buffalo would be ahead of St. Louis in waiver claims.
 
Do NYG, NE, or Philly all keep three QB's?

I'd think Barkley/Sanchez, Ponder, or Mallet would all be better options.

Who gets first dibs on the waiver wire, St Louis or Buffalo?

are you just talking about them being better options as backups or as starters?

the fact that i have to ask makes me sick about next years first round pick that they don't have
 

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