Boeheim's Army / TBT 2025

[Niastri]

The difference is that after the worst performance in 60 years all of the coaches should be working as hard as they can to save their jobs. Winners get showers and losers don't.

I made a case that this is Griffin fighting to get better at his job. Coaches, like everybody else, get better at their job when they do it more. Getting a few games of head coaching experience is a good thing, not bad?

 

[capeorange]

I made a case that this is Griffin fighting to get better at his job. Coaches, like everybody else, get better at their job when they do it more. Getting a few games of head coaching experience is a good thing, not bad?

Good point, I hope it helps.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

I made a case that this is Griffin fighting to get better at his job. Coaches, like everybody else, get better at their job when they do it more. Getting a few games of head coaching experience is a good thing, not bad?

Picture someone working at the same company for 40 years. Great job. Congratulations.

Picture someone else who has worked also 40 years, but for four companies, ten years at each.

One would think that the 2nd guy would be exposed to different leaders and different ways of doing things. Our guys aren't getting the same opportunities, so the more they can learn the better.

When has Griff have the opportunity to be the head coach in a real game? We all remember how Hop did when he replaced JAB during his suspension.

I'm sure Hop learned from his mistakes, and so will Griff. I think we should all be Team Griff on this one.

 

[CuseMan4]

Idk, I don’t really think this is a good idea at all tbh. We are going to be the only school rolling out a CURRENT coach for a summer league….what if we lose in the first round with a bunch of our former players and a CURRENT assistant coach. I mean how would that look? Not great. If you want a current staff memeber have it be the DOBO or Kline. Not a current coach. I just don’t see much of an upside of AG coaching a summer league.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Idk, I don’t really think this is a good idea at all tbh. We are going to be the only school rolling out a CURRENT coach for a summer league….what if we lose in the first round with a bunch of our former players and a CURRENT assistant coach. I mean how would that look? Not great. If you want a current staff memeber have it be the DOBO or Kline. Not a current coach. I just don’t see much of an upside of AG coaching a summer league.

DOBO would be fine. I think I trust Kline more with recruiting than anyone on the staff outside of Straughn.

 

[ar inj]

Idk, I don’t really think this is a good idea at all tbh. We are going to be the only school rolling out a CURRENT coach for a summer league….what if we lose in the first round with a bunch of our former players and a CURRENT assistant coach. I mean how would that look? Not great. If you want a current staff memeber have it be the DOBO or Kline. Not a current coach. I just don’t see much of an upside of AG coaching a summer league.

Nobody outside some of the people on this board will know or remember.
That said, not a great look but not sure it matters. The success or non-success of SU’s next season is not going to change as a result of this little foray.

 

[Cheriehoop]

That’s a very positive way to look at it. Could it help him, possibly, but the optics of this isn’t great IMO. Truth be told I’m not sure it matters one way or another.

I don’t know if this is widespread knowledge but assistant coaches are limited to 8 hours a week working with their college players in the offseason. The NCAA has rules governing how much coaches can work with players. “In essence, while coaches can be present and involved in off-season workouts, the amount of time they spend with players is restricted by NCAA rules to ensure a balance between athletic preparation and student-athlete well-being.“

• Countable Athletically Related Activities (CARAs):
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  These are activities that are directly related to the sport, such as practices, skill instruction, and weight training.
  
  
• Off-Season Limits:
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  During the off-season, a student-athlete can participate in a maximum of 8 hours per week of CARAs.
  
  
• Two Days Off:
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  Players also have to have two days off per week where they cannot participate in any CARAs.
  
  
• Coach's Role:
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  Coaches can be present during these activities, provide encouragement, oversee drills, offer feedback, and participate in skill instruction, but they cannot mandate or require players to engage in extra practice beyond the 8-hour limit.

 

[GoSU96]

Idk, I don’t really think this is a good idea at all tbh. We are going to be the only school rolling out a CURRENT coach for a summer league….what if we lose in the first round with a bunch of our former players and a CURRENT assistant coach. I mean how would that look? Not great. If you want a current staff memeber have it be the DOBO or Kline. Not a current coach. I just don’t see much of an upside of AG coaching a summer league.

Oh ffs.

 

[tptcuse]

Picture someone working at the same company for 40 years. Great job. Congratulations.

Picture someone else who has worked also 40 years, but for four companies, ten years at each.

One would think that the 2nd guy would be exposed to different leaders and different ways of doing things. Our guys aren't getting the same opportunities, so the more they can learn the better.

When has Griff have the opportunity to be the head coach in a real game? We all remember how Hop did when he replaced JAB during his suspension.

I'm sure Hop learned from his mistakes, and so will Griff. I think we should all be Team Griff on this one.

Respectfully, calling TBT games "real games" is a stretch, especially with the Elam Ending.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Respectfully, calling TBT games "real games" is a stretch, especially with the Elam Ending.

 

[23Zone]

Respectfully, calling TBT games "real games" is a stretch, especially with the Elam Ending.

I love Elam Ending

 

[23Zone]

I love Elam Ending

That didn't sound right lol

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Respectfully, calling TBT games "real games" is a stretch, especially with the Elam Ending.

Are there real refs?

Do they keep score?

Does one team advance and one go home?

 

[oldpinepoint]

Are there real refs?

Do they keep score?

Does one team advance and one go home?

Technically speaking TBT is probably the closest to our brand of basketball. No offensive or defensive identity! Should be perfect!

 

[tptcuse]

Are there real refs?

Do they keep score?

Does one team advance and one go home?

Of course. But end of the game strategy is probably one of the biggest parts of in-game coaching experience that Griffin lacks. Not sure how this will help him.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

I love Elam Ending

When it’s a happy occasion, sure. When it’s ruined in some way or another, not so much.

 

[23Zone]

When it’s a happy occasion, sure. When it’s ruined in some way or another, not so much.

The best part about it is it essentially removes intentional following at the end of game to stop the clock... And makes the team hit a shot to win it. Can't win by merely milking the clock

 

[Zelda Zonk]

The best part about it is it essentially removes intentional following at the end of him to stop the clock... And makes the team hit a shot to win it. Can't win by merely milking the clock

Sorry, man— I wasn’t making a serious comment about Elam. Just a puerile joke.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Jimmy Boeheim’s European season was rough. Boeheim’s Army has stoked some excitement

Jimmy Boeheim has committed to playing for the Syracuse-based team later this summer.

www.syracuse.com

 

[Cuse4403]

The best part about it is it essentially removes intentional following at the end of game to stop the clock... And makes the team hit a shot to win it. Can't win by merely milking the clock

I think it is also its major downfall. Sure it is fun when each team is a reasonable distance from the target score...but when the game isn't close it can possibly extend the game to unreasonable lengths.

And as exciting as a contested 15 footer or a three to end the game can be, there are often times games end on a wide open layup or a FT. Not exactly thrilling. Imagine a regional final tied at 77 with a target score of 78. Loose ball in the back court and a foul is called as players fight for possession. Player X to the line needing to make a single FT to end the game.

I forgot to add the worst part of elam. The clock stops at the first dead ball under four minutes. If you're up by a decent margin there is an incentive to slow the game down and waste time to get to the four minute mark with the biggest lead possible. If I am up ten with six minutes to go, with only a few team fouls, I am fouling when my opponent gets in their offensive set. I am also using the entire shot clock when I have the ball. A ten point deficit with 6-7 minutes left is very doable, but if I can run a couple minutes off the clock the deficit essentially becomes 17.

I would never throw away numerous buzzer beaters, great comebacks, or overtime games away for the elam ending. It's a gimmick and good for a gimmicky event like TBT.

 

[HyattsCuse]

I think it is also its major downfall. Sure it is fun when each team is a reasonable distance from the target score...but when the game isn't close it can possibly extend the game to unreasonable lengths.

Curious has anything like this ever happened? Where a game just took well beyond a typical game because both teams went ice cold once the Elam ending kicked in?

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Curious has anything like this ever happened? Where a game just took well beyond a typical game because both teams went ice cold once the Elam ending kicked in?

Let's say a game is 60-40 at the 4:00 min mark.

Elam score is 68.

You think the leading team will forget how to score the ball? You can score 8 points by accident.

 

[HyattsCuse]

Let's say a game is 60-40 at the 4:00 min mark.

Elam score is 68.

You think the leading team will forget how to score the ball? You can score 8 points by accident.

That’s the crazy thing about sports, yes, it’s unlikely, but it can happen.

A quick search and I found this game, Always A Braves Makes TBT Elam Ending History - Bradley University Athletics

“The Warriors started the frozen time segment quickly and extended its lead to 72-59, just one basket away from ending the game. From that point, Always A Brave closed with a 16-1 run as the Warriors went 0-for-12 from the field and 1-for-4 from the free throw line with six turnovers.”

So yeah, a team in control can go cold. The poster I replied to mentioned a scenario I have not thought of where a game could go much longer than a regular game with the Elam ending. I can’t find anything with a quick Google search about average length of a TBT game, longest TBT game on record, etc. Curious if there has ever been any abnormally long games to back the possibility he brought up.

 

[Dinkyspond]

Green Bay files NCAA waiver to play in $1M TBT

Green Bay filed for a waiver from the NCAA to allow its men's basketball team to compete in The Basketball Tournament, the $1 million, winner-take-all summer tournament.

www.espn.com

brilliant by Green Bay even if it is Gottdweeb. Why the hell not? All the more for it in this age of paying players. If a college team wins it, they keep the $.

 

[NJneer12]

Let's say a game is 60-40 at the 4:00 min mark.

Elam score is 68.

You think the leading team will forget how to score the ball? You can score 8 points by accident.

Crazy you say this a day after Knicks...lol