Boy, this NIL thing is really endearing to fans

[GoSU96]

I'm saying I would rather get the Jared Verse, Anjae Cornelius, and even the Isiah Johnson’s of the world who dominated at their level of play and are almost guaranteed contributors over guys from
elite schools who are coming off multiple Injuries, were pushed out, or never played consistently at a higher level. I'm not saying their all scrubs but I bet the players moving up are far more successful than those “moving down “. This isn't a good thing for Syracuse.

Alijah Clark says hi. So does Garrett Shrader.

 

[GoSU96]

You mean the person half the board rips to shreds? I'm not one of those people but he has been the 1 successful case. Plus I never said not to do it, but we're always going to be on the losing end.

Nonsense.

 

[billorange44]

Then don't.

If you thought it was better "back in the day", so be it, but it screwed over the players by an order of magnitude.

The fans can take all of it because we have no choice. You don't like it, participate in something else.

We are landing big time players thru the portal this year. Our QB room has two 4 star QBs that we would have died for coming out of HS.

It's working fine and helping us out. This is better for us.

College athletics isn't driving fans away. It was never some bastion of purity, we just liked that we could ignore the stuff behind it.

Glad you like it! I don't! I like to watch amateur college sports. Been going to these games for 59 years and season tickets for at least 40. If I wanted to attend Bills games I would, but dislike pro football!

 

[SUMJF]

Glad you like it! I don't! I like to watch amateur college sports. Been going to these games for 59 years and season tickets for at least 40. If I wanted to attend Bills games I would, but dislike pro football!

Thinking college football is amateur athletics isn’t reality. Instead of having the NFL pay for a development system they let colleges do it for them for free. College football players should be able to make as much money as a booster or company is willing to pay them.

Schools are making money. If it was amateur athletics then all college football should be like the division 3 model. Profits shouldn’t matter if it’s amateur athletics.

This line of thinking is like saying interns shouldn’t be compensated for the internships. If companies can pay interns they are going to attract a better pool of candidates to be interns. If some schools offer more NIL than other schools they are going to be able to attract better players that care about compensation. Interns don’t get compensated the same as associates or full time employees but some companies do compensate their interns and other companies don’t.

 

[sufandu]

Thinking college football is amateur athletics isn’t reality. Instead of having the NFL pay for a development system they let colleges do it for them for free. College football players should be able to make as much money as a booster or company is willing to pay them.

Schools are making money. If it was amateur athletics then all college football should be like the division 3 model. Profits shouldn’t matter if it’s amateur athletics.

This line of thinking is like saying interns shouldn’t be compensated for the internships. If companies can pay interns they are going to attract a better pool of candidates to be interns. If some schools offer more NIL than other schools they are going to be able to attract better players that care about compensation. Interns don’t get compensated the same as associates or full time employees but some companies do compensate their interns and other companies don’t.

Your last paragraph is valid. The thing is, there are unpaid internships, or in the healthcare field, clinicals. Outpatient clinics, rehab facilities, and hospitals all make money off of students doing clinicals because they can schedule more patients as the student becomes more independent. Not only that, but the students have to register for a class and pay tuition for them. So the students are paying the school for companies to make money off of them in exchange for learning their craft. And it's all required in order for you to obtain your degree and qualify for your licensure exam. So, not being paid to make money for someone else initially is pretty normal.

 

[billorange44]

Thinking college football is amateur athletics isn’t reality. Instead of having the NFL pay for a development system they let colleges do it for them for free. College football players should be able to make as much money as a booster or company is willing to pay them.

Schools are making money. If it was amateur athletics then all college football should be like the division 3 model. Profits shouldn’t matter if it’s amateur athletics.

This line of thinking is like saying interns shouldn’t be compensated for the internships. If companies can pay interns they are going to attract a better pool of candidates to be interns. If some schools offer more NIL than other schools they are going to be able to attract better players that care about compensation. Interns don’t get compensated the same as associates or full time employees but some companies do compensate their interns and other companies don’t.

That's your opinion! I am sticking to mine!

 

[OrangeDW]

The big difference with these portal kids we would never have a shot out at HS is that they are transferring mostly because they were either cut by their prior school or are looking for playing time they weren't getting at the place they were coming from. It's almost better getting the kids who are transferring up from FCS schools because they are the best of the best.

Shrader, Etta Tawo, T. Jackson…those two WR’s especially were in a completely different league than the almost all of the rest of the WR’s on our roster.

 

[MikeSU02]

Glad you like it! I don't! I like to watch amateur college sports. Been going to these games for 59 years and season tickets for at least 40. If I wanted to attend Bills games I would, but dislike pro football!

Honest question and not trying to pick a fight, if you thought at least some of these guys in college football were getting paid prior to all this, would that / did that bother you?

Because I’ve never had an issue. Never had an issue with The U, FSU, USC, etc.

I get that it’s different now, but to me it was never pure amateurism (and that’s just me).

I loved this years team. We had guys with NIL and had portaled in. I’m really excited about the portal guys coming in for next year.

I’m stoked about Shrader and Gadsen and Beck as OC.

 

[All4SU]

$42,622,806 that's what Syracuse Football made. Players don't have to pay the overinflated rate of $82,500 to go to school times that by 85 the school is "out" $7,012,500. That's a pretty nice investment the school made.
These are not normal students, they sacrifice their bodies to allow the schools to make money on top of money. Why does them getting free tuition have anything to do with them making money off of themselves? Should students with Youtube channels not get paid? Should students that work not get paid?
I've never said they are selflessly running out on the field and yes schools are extorting them for free tuition. "You come play football here, we give you free tuition. In turn we will make 6-8 times what we "paid" you in tuition cost"

Let the damn kids earn money like anyone else.

At this point, colleges should not be in the football business.

 

[PAcuse]

At this point, colleges should not be in the football business.

They never should have been but it’s where we are now
I’m not sure what the answer is but it will be a crazy next couple of years

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I don't think NIL is as big of an issue as the free transfering. I think a fair compromise would be to require a degree to transfer without sitting out. Which kinda keeps education in the equation. You sign with a school out of high school you need an associate degree to transfer. It is only a 2 year commitment. If you stay past that you need a bachelor degree to transfer. Again only a 2 year commitment. Otherwise you need to sit out a year or go FCS.

 

[Timonen]

If they are being compensated, why can't a system be worked out that restricts movement in some ways? This exists in literally every professional sport on the planet. If we are compensating for services (which is not a bad thing), then why are rules and regulations around that a bad thing? I'd imagine this eventually ends one day with college athletes being compensated directly forming a union for collective bargaining, where you'll see these things hashed out.

NIL contracts could include language like that. Payments could be set up as a balloon after x years or similar. I imagine that’ll be how things evolve when donors realize they need to protect themselves a bit in these transactions.

 

[bigmike]

Just picking up the thread, and it may have been covered earlier, but I am wondering with NIL and portal action in full swing, what do commitments look like back and forth? I know there are back channels where information flows through coaches, family, etc., but are any of the overtures or promises documented? Do I as a player get a term sheet or a letter of intent from ACME on my NIL deal before I leave where I am for greener pastures? Do they say enter the portal and when you enroll at your new school your deal will be ready to go. Do winks, promises and weak handshakes abound here?

 

[shandeezy7]

Shrader, Etta Tawo, T. Jackson…those two WR’s especially were in a completely different league than the almost all of the rest of the WR’s on our roster.

I get the point you are making, but Shrader was the only "new age" portal transfer. Etta Tawo was a grad transfer and Jackson had to sit out a year. It's not an apples to oranges comparison. We'll see how things shake out this year and in the future, but right now we are losing starters and replacing them with backups, injured guys or injured backup guys.

 

[anomander]

Shrader, Etta Tawo, T. Jackson…those two WR’s especially were in a completely different league than the almost all of the rest of the WR’s on our roster.

Shrader, Etta Tawo, T. Jackson…those two WR’s especially were in a completely different league than the almost all of the rest of the WR’s on our roster.

Etta Tawo and Jackson were before the NIL madness. Hell Jackson had to sit for a year. We got him for a TD catch in the bowl and 1 head after that.

 

[Doc5120]

If times are changing, maybe the whole scholarship idea should be scrapped. Let players realize this isn’t just free money. End scholarships and have players pay their own way to school. Schools could provide aide based on what your worth! Have a sliding scale. The five stars have to pay their own way and less if you’re a four star, three star, etc. without college football these players are going nowhere. Let them go out and “earn” NIL money, like it was supposed to be. If they want the big bucks, let them find out what the real world is all about. College athletics was supposed to allow athletes the chance to play and get a free education. Education now means nothing. No degree, then you have to pay back all tuition, including if you leave early for the draft. It’s time the word commitment means something. I don’t want to hear about coaches leaving. People leave for better jobs all the time. Once athletes leave, they can go to any job they want. People say the schools are making all this money off them. They are also giving them the platform to potentially play professionally. They house them, feed them, pay to travel across the country. Put them up in great hotels. Give them all the free gear they want. Free medical services. This stuff is not free. All on top of their scholarships. Life is so tough on these guys.

Or, perhaps, and I know this is crazy - make those athletes meet the NORMAL minimum requirements for admissions that all other non athletes do. Don't let Johnny into SU (or wherever else) with a 65 overall average and a poor SAT score just because he can dunk a basketball. You want a level, equal playing field, fine...you're going to have to earn your way in meeting the college/University academic requirements.

 

[UpstateSM]

Yuuuuuup

 

[billorange44]

Honest question and not trying to pick a fight, if you thought at least some of these guys in college football were getting paid prior to all this, would that / did that bother you?

Because I’ve never had an issue. Never had an issue with The U, FSU, USC, etc.

I get that it’s different now, but to me it was never pure amateurism (and that’s just me).

I loved this years team. We had guys with NIL and had portaled in. I’m really excited about the portal guys coming in for next year.

I’m stoked about Shrader and Gadsen and Beck as OC.

Yes it would bother me.

 

[OburgOrange]

 

[bigmike]

The NCAA as they were and as they now are in the portal/NIL era:

 

[sufandu]

Or, perhaps, and I know this is crazy - make those athletes meet the NORMAL minimum requirements for admissions that all other non athletes do. Don't let Johnny into SU (or wherever else) with a 65 overall average and a poor SAT score just because he can dunk a basketball. You want a level, equal playing field, fine...you're going to have to earn your way in meeting the college/University academic requirements.

In theory that makes sense. In practice that wouldn't level the playing field.

 

[orangepassion]

Pat Narduzzi, Mack Brown, and Jeff Traylor continue to sound off on roster tampering

On the eve on the early National Signing Day, Pat Narduzzi makes a serious accusation.

footballscoop.com

 

[rrlbees]

Pat Narduzzi, Mack Brown, and Jeff Traylor continue to sound off on roster tampering

On the eve on the early National Signing Day, Pat Narduzzi makes a serious accusation.

footballscoop.com

Coaches have no balls.

 

[MikeSU02]

Coaches have no balls.

Wait, wait, wait.

TWO teams offered Drake $5M to play and he didn't bounce?

This is either a lie, or UNC is paying him as much or close to it, or he has an agent floating him already or some truth in between or maybe he's scared he would get beat out by a super frosh.

Or, maybe he just really enjoys Chapel Hill... But I doubt it.

 

[Willy75]

Pat Narduzzi, Mack Brown, and Jeff Traylor continue to sound off on roster tampering

On the eve on the early National Signing Day, Pat Narduzzi makes a serious accusation.

footballscoop.com

Doesn’t take much for an educated guess that the usual suspects are involved; Miami, Texas A&M, Auburn (especially Auburn).