Brent Axe says Reds job should be in jeopardy

[Red2003]

Thanks for the responses. Looks like there's about a handful.

 

[pearl31]

Thanks for the responses. Looks like there's about a handful.

I feel like at least a few of those were "other factors" figured in (Gillespe and the Arizona stuff for sure) - behind-the-scenes conduct stuff, weird politics, etc - with Red it would be straight team-performance

 

[HyattsCuse]

In what alternative universe is our record .500?

We are flirting with a 19-loss season at the moment b4 the ACC tournament.

He’s clearly referring to Red’s career record as head coach for the last 2 years (32-30 = over .500). That universe.

 

[UnknownOrange]

In what alternative universe is our record .500?

We are flirting with a 19-loss season at the moment b4 the ACC tournament.

Year 1 - 20-12
Year 2 - 12-18

32-30

ACC play... well... 17-22

 

[DilemaCuse]

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I still have not come across a single D1 Hoops Head Coach that has been fired after 2 years with a 500 Record?

I'm still asking here because I can't find one. In what world do people think SU would be the first to do this.

It's rare but Billy Gillespie at kentucky

 

[dasher]

Nice. This is exactly what I've been looking for. He may be the only one, but there is at least a precedent.

Wasn't there a scandal involving Billy? I vaguely remember something like that.

 

[DilemaCuse]

Great point. So what are you going to do to equalize that money? Why wouldn't we give Autry a chance to coach the talent we'll get when you supply the money that Louisville has? I think you've come up with the answer.

We're not coming up with the amount Lville has.
When you have concerns about the CEO and board, investors aren't gonna throw money at it like donating to a charity. They just wait for a change in leadership. Think of it like a stock. We are not in buy position in current state

 

[DilemaCuse]

Wasn't there a scandal involving Billy? I vaguely remember something like that.

He was a creep off the court and a jerk on the court to players apparently. Read a long article on him, some great stories.

 

[HyattsCuse]

Wasn't there a scandal involving Billy? I vaguely remember something like that.

Here’s some light reading for you. Looks like player treatment issues at Texas Tech. UK was performance based including some embarrassing losses (Gardner Webb).

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1342248-billy-gillispies-rise-to-stardom-and-tragic-fall-from-grace

 

[Cuseball]

Year 1 - 20-12
Year 2 - 12-18

32-30

ACC play... well... 17-22

One correction. 19-12 in Year 1. Beating a Division 2 team does not count.

So 31-30 and possibly below .500 soon. 16 or 17 blowout losses among those defeats

 

[CuseTG2003]

Wasn't there a scandal involving Billy? I vaguely remember something like that.

Yes, serious drinking problem.

 

[HyattsCuse]

One correction. 19-12 in Year 1. Beating a Division 2 team does not count.

So 31-30 and possibly below .500 soon. 16 or 17 blowout losses among those defeats

Yes, the win counts toward his record and the team’s record.

It is not factored in for NET or considered by the selection committee.

Does Syracuse’s win over D-II Chaminade count on its NCAA resume? (Mike’s Mailbox)

Syracuse.com basketball reporter Mike Waters answers readers' questions.

www.syracuse.com

 

[OttosShoes]

TBH I feel like you could just take one of the better local high school coaches like liverpool or west genny or whatever and still have a decent chance of 0.500. I just really struggle to see that as redeeming.

 

[orangecuse]

One correction. 19-12 in Year 1. Beating a Division 2 team does not count.

So 31-30 and possibly below .500 soon. 16 or 17 blowout losses among those defeats

Exactly, the Chaminade W in Maui is no more than an exhibition type affair.

Additionally, the ACC has been piss poor the past two seasons, and this year, historically bad. And, even so, still can't even sniff near .500 in conference.

On Brent's note in the OP relative to not being ranked since 2018, I think that was after that surprise S16 and/or the pre-season proceeding it. Syracuse has not been ranked in the regular season come Jan. 1st (typically the start of weekly conference play) since January of 2014!

 

[Scooch]

Exactly, the Chaminade W in Maui is no more than an exhibition type affair.

Tell that to Ralph Sampson!

 

[miamicuse]

Time is our biggest enemy.

The slow ten year progressive decline works against us in many ways.

Kids born after 2000 probably never experienced the highs we did in the 80s to 2013-14. We lost an entire generation of potential orange fans.

Many fans are getting older, if you watched Pearl play you are probably at least in your 50s. These fans endured a decade or irrelevance some will detach and some die and never to be replaced.

Eventually no one remembers the glory days and accept 0.5 or on the bubble as normal.

Just like cooking lobsters. You boil a pot of water and throw the lobster in you get some violent reactions, you put the lobster in a pot of cold water it doesn't feel the danger, you can dial the heat up slowly and gradually the lobster has no clue it just got cooked without knowing it.

 

[RF2044]

Time is our biggest enemy.

The slow ten year progressive decline works against us in many ways.

Kids born after 2000 probably never experienced the highs we did in the 80s to 2013-14. We lost an entire generation of potential orange fans.

Many fans are getting older, if you watched Pearl play you are probably at least in your 50s. These fans endured a decade or irrelevance some will detach and some die and never to be replaced.

Eventually no one remembers the glory days and accept 0.5 or on the bubble as normal.

Just like cooking lobsters. You boil a pot of water and throw the lobster in you get some violent reactions, you put the lobster in a pot of cold water it doesn't feel the danger, you can dial the heat up slowly and gradually the lobster has no clue it just got cooked without knowing it.

I referenced the "boiling frog" metaphor numerous times to talk about the fanbase getting anesthetized to the obvious decline under JB, because many were willing to let it continue and were moving the goal posts about what constituted a successful season.

Agree with the rest of your post, too. This isn't just a 2-year problem under Red. It's an 8 year problem under JB + a 2 year crater under Red. 10 years of irrelevancy. 12 years of double digit losses. 9 out of 12 of 14+ losses, bottoming out with our KenPom / NET ratings being historically bad this year.

Things are dire, no matter what some would like to pretend.

 

[BomberOrange]

Does it have to be exactly .500?

Tubby Smith was canned after two years at Memphis with a 40-26 record and making the tourney in Year 2. He had a heckuva longer track record than a rookie HC.

Charlie Parker was 10-10 in Year 2 with USC when they fired him midway through conference play.

Sean Sutton was forced to resign after two years (39-29) with Oklahoma where his dad was the previous long-time coach.

Sutton’s were at OK St.

 

[PoppyHart]

Does it have to be exactly .500?

Tubby Smith was canned after two years at Memphis with a 40-26 record and making the tourney in Year 2. He had a heckuva longer track record than a rookie HC.

Charlie Parker was 10-10 in Year 2 with USC when they fired him midway through conference play.

Sean Sutton was forced to resign after two years (39-29) with Oklahoma where his dad was the previous long-time coach.

Why are we all doing Red2003’s work?

 

[PoppyHart]

Rob Lanier was fired last year from SMU after 2 seasons. 30-34. Guess that doesn't meet the parameters.

 

[cusefan88]

If there's not another assistant hire and other staffing spots brought on it doesn't really matter who they get in the portal.

If Autry thinks the current staffing situation is correct then it's over (which it already is sadly).