Brent Axe says Reds job should be in jeopardy

[Cusefan95]

Yea Still 3 years. I'm looking for that unicorn 2 year coach fired in D1. Can't find a single name fired after 2 years with a 500 record. Payne comes up over and over with his 12 wins in 2 years (.188 win %).

*I'm not defending Autry. I'm just asking.

Kevin O'Neill went 19-15 with Arizona in 07-08, and left when Lute Olsen came back. Russ Pennell went 21-14 the follow year, made the Sweet Sixteen and got punted so they could hire Sean Miller. They didn't even get two years, even with NCAA bids!

Programs that want to win move on quickly. Like Arizona did. Programs that want to be just decent enough to be profitable do what Syracuse is doing right now. JW can talk all the hot air nonsense he wants about commitment to winning - every decision the school has made for three plus decades shows there is NO commitment to winning. That we won a lot in spite of that attitude is going to be a problem going forward - all the advantages that provided wind at our backs are gone, so we'll get different, bad results while an incompetent leadership group are baffled as to why.

 

[Dcuse]

He's right.

Red is going to get a third year, because <<<reasons>>>, but the university will take some hits based upon fan apathy and declining ticket sales / revenue.

If the program doesn't knock it out of the box in the portal [which will be more difficult than I think some posters expect, given the awful season we've had], next year could get very ugly in terms of fan engagement.

It sure didn't hurt Louisville.

 

[RF2044]

Kevin O'Neill went 19-15 with Arizona in 07-08, and left when Lute Olsen came back. Russ Pennell went 21-14 the follow year, made the Sweet Sixteen and got punted so they could hire Sean Miller. They didn't even get two years, even with NCAA bids!

Programs that want to win move on quickly. Like Arizona did. Programs that want to be just decent enough to be profitable do what Syracuse is doing right now. JW can talk all the hot air nonsense he wants about commitment to winning - every decision the school has made for three plus decades shows there is NO commitment to winning. That we won a lot in spite of that attitude is going to be a problem going forward - all the advantages that provided wind at our backs are gone, so we'll get different, bad results while an incompetent leadership group are baffled as to why.

Wow, nicely stated.

 

[RF2044]

It sure didn't hurt Louisville.

It didn't hurt Louisville because:

1. They shelled out an ungodly amount of money to convince players to sign up, given the lousy performance and uncertainly of a new coach
2. They hired a coach who is competent, who could take those portal acquisitions and mold them into a functional unit.

Unlike our coaching staff.

Also, good luck emulating having to fill 5-6 spots on our roster via the portal, with half the money Louisville spent.

 

[Red2003]

Kevin O'Neill went 19-15 with Arizona in 07-08, and left when Lute Olsen came back. Russ Pennell went 21-14 the follow year, made the Sweet Sixteen and got punted so they could hire Sean Miller. They didn't even get two years, even with NCAA bids!

Programs that want to win move on quickly. Like Arizona did. Programs that want to be just decent enough to be profitable do what Syracuse is doing right now. JW can talk all the hot air nonsense he wants about commitment to winning - every decision the school has made for three plus decades shows there is NO commitment to winning. That we won a lot in spite of that attitude is going to be a problem going forward - all the advantages that provided wind at our backs are gone, so we'll get different, bad results while an incompetent leadership group are baffled as to why.

Weren’t they both interim head coaches tho?

Not disagreeing with the rest.

 

[Cusefan95]

Weren’t they both interim head coaches tho?

Not disagreeing with the rest.

Can’t really say I give two craps about them being interim coaches, and that is really just a way of legalizing your way though a big issue for your position. If Syracuse hired an interim coach that made it to the NCAA tournament, would they fire him to replace with someone else? That a dude who is 12-18 this year is safe and secure would say no.

Syracuse is not committing to winning, they are committed to controlling costs and hoping the impact on revenues is minimal. That’s the strategy, trying to win is not an actual consideration the Syracuse operational philosophy.

 

[littlereg]

Yea Still 3 years. I'm looking for that unicorn 2 year coach fired in D1. Can't find a single name fired after 2 years with a 500 record. Payne comes up over and over with his 12 wins in 2 years (.188 win %).

*I'm not defending Autry. I'm just asking.

But who cares if he’s .500? .500 is even more of a useless mark than 20 wins. If we lose this weekend, as expected, we’ll be EXACTLY .500 the last two seasons. .500 is terrible as far as I’m concerned. You should be fired for that w/l at this level and stature of school.

 

[Scooch]

Brent Axe is doing the best job amongst the Syracuse media in even handedly covering the men’s hoops program.

Let that sink in.

 

[djcon57]

Brent Axe is doing the best job amongst the Syracuse media in event handedly covering the men’s hoops program.

Let that sink in.

The rest fear for their job sadly.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Steve’s follow-up should’ve been “so does that mean there were no expectations this year?”

 

[orangepassion]

Tear it down before a major breakout in 2027-3D Chess.

 

[HyattsCuse]

I'm no Autry fan. He's not a serious coach. People that can not understand why the university is not changing direction need to think about if we ever are the first to do something ever. Throw out the money argument for a minute.

I still have not come across a single D1 Hoops Head Coach that has been fired after 2 years with a 500 Record?

I'm still asking here because I can't find one. In what world do people think SU would be the first to do this.

Billy Gillispie at Kentucky.

University of Kentucky Coaching Record for Billy Gillispie

They then went and got some guy named Calipari. I think it worked out pretty well for them.

 

[UnknownOrange]

my big fear here is fan expectation vs ADJW expectation

let's just say ADJW's expectations are to make the NCAA tournament

Will the fans be okay if thats a 10/11/playin11 seed and a first round trouncing?

Results wise -- that is FAR better from where we live and breathe here on 3/6/25 but I don't know if that should buy him another year in the fans mind.

A lot can change from now until next march

 

[Dcuse]

It didn't hurt Louisville because:

1. They shelled out an ungodly amount of money to convince players to sign up, given the lousy performance and uncertainly of a new coach
2. They hired a coach who is competent, who could take those portal acquisitions and mold them into a functional unit.

Unlike our coaching staff.

Also, good luck emulating having to fill 5-6 spots on our roster via the portal, with half the money Louisville spent.

Great point. So what are you going to do to equalize that money? Why wouldn't we give Autry a chance to coach the talent we'll get when you supply the money that Louisville has? I think you've come up with the answer.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

Great point. So what are you going to do to equalize that money? Why wouldn't we give Autry a chance to coach the talent we'll get when you supply the money that Louisville has? I think you've come up with the answer.

Almost fell out out of my chair laughing.

 

[RF2044]

Great point. So what are you going to do to equalize that money? Why wouldn't we give Autry a chance to coach the talent we'll get when you supply the money that Louisville has? I think you've come up with the answer.

What am I going to do specifically, me? I already contribute to NIL. That's my lone, individual part.

As for giving Autry access to the same resources, that's up to the University and more donors than just me. I hope we can, but I doubt the university will. Because they don't invest nor spend the way they need to in order to be serious about basketball success.

 

[Red2003]

Can’t really say I give two craps about them being interim coaches, and that is really just a way of legalizing your way though a big issue for your position. If Syracuse hired an interim coach that made it to the NCAA tournament, would they fire him to replace with someone else? That a dude who is 12-18 this year is safe and secure would say no.

Syracuse is not committing to winning, they are committed to controlling costs and hoping the impact on revenues is minimal. That’s the strategy, trying to win is not an actual consideration the Syracuse operational philosophy.

I agree. To be fair the $EC and B$G have made it a heck of alot more expensive to do anything in the sports world.

Not just talking about us but for alot of other places. How many SEC teams are probably in or on the bubble this year? can't say I have checked but it's prob like 15.

Their philosophy is the opposite of ours pretty much and without any guardrails anymore their philosophy fits perfectly for winning and ours is like well let's hope for the best.

 

[Red2003]

Billy Gillispie at Kentucky.

University of Kentucky Coaching Record for Billy Gillispie

They then went and got some guy named Calipari. I think it worked out pretty well for them.

Nice. This is exactly what I've been looking for. He may be the only one, but there is at least a precedent.

 

[JeffCuse]

I'm no Autry fan. He's not a serious coach. People that can not understand why the university is not changing direction need to think about if we ever are the first to do something ever. Throw out the money argument for a minute.

I still have not come across a single D1 Hoops Head Coach that has been fired after 2 years with a 500 Record?

I'm still asking here because I can't find one. In what world do people think SU would be the first to do this.

 

[UnknownOrange]

I agree. To be fair the $EC and B$G have made it a heck of alot more expensive to do anything in the sports world.

Not just talking about us but for alot of other places. How many SEC teams are probably in or on the bubble this year? can't say I have checked but it's prob like 15.

Their philosophy is the opposite of ours pretty much and without any guardrails anymore their philosophy fits perfectly for winning and ours is like well let's hope for the best.

Oklahoma is on the bubble

they are 4-12 in conference lol

If they get in, the SEC is likely getting 14 teams in

 

[Fly Rodder]

Yea Still 3 years. I'm looking for that unicorn 2 year coach fired in D1. Can't find a single name fired after 2 years with a 500 record. Payne comes up over and over with his 12 wins in 2 years (.188 win %).

*I'm not defending Autry. I'm just asking.

Does it have to be exactly .500?

Tubby Smith was canned after two years at Memphis with a 40-26 record and making the tourney in Year 2. He had a heckuva longer track record than a rookie HC.

Charlie Parker was 10-10 in Year 2 with USC when they fired him midway through conference play.

Sean Sutton was forced to resign after two years (39-29) with Oklahoma where his dad was the previous long-time coach.

 

[gmoney44]

When is JW coming on Orange Nation?

And Brents not wrong, problem is there is a difference between should and will be in jeopardy.

But I sense he will get the dreaded vote of confidence and just be a dead man walking for 3rd season.

I canceled YouTube TV right after the Super bowl and haven't watched SU basketball since then. If Red is back I won’t watch one second of basketball next season. It’s a waste of time and energy.

 

[littlereg]

I canceled YouTube TV right after the Super bowl and haven't watched SU basketball since then. If Red is back I won’t watch one second of basketball next season. It’s a waste of time and energy.

I wasn’t joking when I said in like October or November that I was actually watching professional video games over multiple of our games this season. They aren’t worth a single cent or second of my time, especially when all they cAre about is the cent aspect. No joke I’ve streamed more marist games than I’ve watched cuse games this year. I haven’t made the 3 hour drive to the dome since 2019, why would I do that when I can go do something else that’s not as far as of a ride or if it is I’ll enjoy it a lot more and not be miserable. Otger sports, playing and watching video games hunting, fishing, camping, going out with friends and the GF, etc have all came before cuse ball every single game this year after the first few. And we all know we aren’t the only ones. The school will surely start to feel this.

 

[gmoney44]

JW is a horrible AD. Before all his fan boys come to his defence please look at the overall record for football, men’s basketball and men’s lacrosse since he’s been here. Those are the only three that matter and we’ve been hot trash in all of them overall. Results matter and they speak volumes about his leadership and SU’s commitment to Athletics.

 

[kingtidge]

I'm no Autry fan. He's not a serious coach. People that can not understand why the university is not changing direction need to think about if we ever are the first to do something ever. Throw out the money argument for a minute.

I still have not come across a single D1 Hoops Head Coach that has been fired after 2 years with a 500 Record?

I'm still asking here because I can't find one. In what world do people think SU would be the first to do this.

In what alternative universe is our record .500?

We are flirting with a 19-loss season at the moment b4 the ACC tournament.