Buddy had 0 rebounds

[Cusefan0307]

Buddy is not that type a shooter.
He isn’t Duncan Robinson or Nic Stauskikas or a non NBA player who could shoot in college like Brady Heslip.

Andy Rautins took 4 years to become the player he was his senior year.
Buddy is in year 2. He shouldn’t be expected to be a player we dependent on. He isn’t that good. He is a role player.
That isn’t even a problem. It’s a good thing. Put Buddy on Duke he is the piece that helps them win a NC. He would be like Billy Edelin type player for our NC team but not a PG but tha type.

I get Buddy isn’t the ideal athlete people want, but he’s shooting 38% from 3 this year and was 40% in ACC play last year. There’s like zero reason to be complaining about his shooting. Right now he’s shooting th same percentage from 3 Duncan Robinson shot his last year at Michigan.

 

[Alsacs]

I get Buddy isn’t the ideal athlete people want, but he’s shooting 38% from 3 this year and was 40% in ACC play last year. There’s like zero reason to be complaining about his shooting. Right now he’s shooting th same percentage from 3 Duncan Robinson shot his last year at Michigan.

Last year he was a role player. Thus he shot better. Now he is playing like a superstar minutes wise and his numbers are down. That is the point.
If he were still a role player he would be shooting better.
He isn’t one of those guys you automatically think it’s going in because this year shows otherwise.

 

[Alsacs]

Also does anyone really expect the playing time numbers to go down as a player becomes an upper classmen?
I honestly don’t I expect in the future the HC will well last year he played that much what do you expect.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Last year he was a role player. Thus he shot better. Now he is playing like a superstar minutes wise and his numbers are down. That is the point.
If he were still a role player he would be shooting better.
He isn’t one of those guys you automatically think it’s going in because this year shows otherwise.

But he’s shooting 38% from 3. His numbers are not down. There’s stats to look this stuff up. Some of the reinventing of the wheel in this thread has got out of control. I try to be balanced and some of the crap people call Buddy out for is getting a bit ridiculous. His efg% is higher than Battles last two years at Syracuse with a similar usage rate. Want to complain about him being a below average athlete I get it, but we’ve never rebounded well and his shooting to this point had been better than just about every 2 guard we have ever had.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Saw one bounce right in front of Buddy last night. It was in the lane, but behind the bigs. He had no interest in getting in there for it.

It's the lack of effort that bothers me.

I've said it before - he worked harder last year when he played fewer minutes. He's pacing himself to play 40, and anybody can see it.
If JB doesn't stop doing this, guys are going to get injured by February and nobody on the bench will have any significant experience to replace them.

 

[shandeezy7]

But he’s shooting 38% from 3. His numbers are not down. There’s stats to look this stuff up. Some of the reinventing of the wheel in this thread has got out of control. I try to be balanced and some of the crap people call Buddy out for is getting a bit ridiculous. His efg% is higher than Battles last two years at Syracuse with a similar usage rate. Want to complain about him being a below average athlete I get it, but we’ve never rebounded well and his shooting to this point had been better than just about every 2 guard we have ever had.

Right, there is no evidence that his numbers are down. In fact, he's shooting better from three this year versus last year (38% versus 35%) while also averaging 8 more points per game (15 versus 7). Interestingly enough, he's really not shooting the ball more this year than he did last year when you look at the per 40 stats: 13.8 field goal attempts per 40 last year versus 16.2 field goal attempts per 40 this year.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Triche had 53 games where he had one defensive rebound or less his last 3 years here. Waiters played 2 years and he had 37 games where he had one defensive rebound or less.

Well, that's when we excelled at the fast break and had bigs who could control the defensive boards. So it's not an apples-to-apples comparison. The style of play is different.

 

[shandeezy7]

Do people realize that in 11 games, Buddy has only played 35+ minutes four times. He's played less than 30 three times. Some on here act like he's Jonny Flynn in the 6OT game. Last night was the first game he played the full 40.

 

[NineOneSeven]

40 minutes is absurd. Sorry but it is. Unfortunately it actually probably is the best chance to win at times because who plays (game flow dependent too)?! Obviously he can rattle off threes. Everything else limited.
This year is going to be epic!

 

[Cusefan0307]

Well, that's when we excelled at the fast break and had bigs who could control the defensive boards. So it's not an apples-to-apples comparison. The style of play is different.

But we didn't control the boards. There's stats on this Matt. At no point in 22 years have we ever been good at rebounding.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Last year he was a role player. Thus he shot better. Now he is playing like a superstar minutes wise and his numbers are down. That is the point.
If he were still a role player he would be shooting better.
He isn’t one of those guys you automatically think it’s going in because this year shows otherwise.

Show me what numbers are down. Overall shooting is better. At this point last year he was about 15%.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

But we didn't control the boards. There's stats on this Matt. At no point in 22 years have we ever been good at rebounding.

It's almost like you have resigned yourself to this and are giving them a pass. Next time JB mentions in a presser that we need to do a better job rebounding, I hope you will call him out for not being realistic and understanding we have never been good on the boards.

 

[OttoMets]

Buddy is not that type a shooter.
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Agreed. That's his rep, but that's not the type of shooter he is right now. He misses inconsistently. Seems like I'm saying this after every third game, but it's worth repeating. When great shooters miss, it's not in the haphazard way that he does.

 

[Alsacs]

Show me what numbers are down. Overall shooting is better. At this point last year he was about 15%.

I expect the kid to be a solid player.
I think his usage is too high and when we get into conference play i hope these numbers maintain.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Agreed. That's his rep, but that's not the type of shooter he is right now. He misses inconsistently. Seems like I'm saying this after every third game, but it's worth repeating. When great shooters miss, it's not in the haphazard way that he does.

To that point

Vs. - 3pt percentage

UVA - 12.5
Colg - 60
Sea - 28.6
Cor - 31
Buck - 75
OkSt - 14.3
PSU - 37.5
Iowa - 20
GT - 46.2
Gtown - 53.8
Oak - 27.3

Seems like he either has it or doesn't. Gtown was a case of both in two halves.

 

[br801]

Show me what numbers are down. Overall shooting is better. At this point last year he was about 15%.

His per 40 minute numbers are the same or better across the board, except for his rebounding. That's actually pretty remarkable, considering he's gone from role player to starter. And he's shooting threes at probably one of the highest rates in school history, and doing that quite well.

 

[Cusefan0307]

It's almost like you have resigned yourself to this and are giving them a pass. Next time JB mentions in a presser that we need to do a better job rebounding, I hope you will call him out for not being realistic and understanding we have never been good on the boards.

I am. Everyone should know as long as we play zone we will stink on the boards no matter who the players are. It is not related to the personnel.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

I am. Everyone should know as long as we play zone we will stink on the boards no matter who the players are. It is not related to the personnel.

Fair

 

[OttoMets]

To that point

Vs. - 3pt percentage

UVA - 12.5
Colg - 60
Sea - 28.6
Cor - 31
Buck - 75
OkSt - 14.3
PSU - 37.5
Iowa - 20
GT - 46.2
Gtown - 53.8
Oak - 27.3

Seems like he either has it or doesn't. Gtown was a case of both in two halves.

This would be a very interesting exercise to do for "great" shooters - how many sub-30s do they mix in?

Unfortunately SU doesn't really have any superb shooters to check this against.

It's noon and I'm waiting on an e-mail from a client...off to orangehoops.org!

 

[cuseinseattle]

But he’s shooting 38% from 3. His numbers are not down. There’s stats to look this stuff up. Some of the reinventing of the wheel in this thread has got out of control. I try to be balanced and some of the crap people call Buddy out for is getting a bit ridiculous. His efg% is higher than Battles last two years at Syracuse with a similar usage rate. Want to complain about him being a below average athlete I get it, but we’ve never rebounded well and his shooting to this point had been better than just about every 2 guard we have ever had.

It is pointless to resist my son #narrative

 

[cuseinseattle]

People need to stop blaming Buddy for him playing so much and start blaming Carey and Goodine. I get he really hurts are defense but his shooting has been fine and who else are we supposed to play. Someone can respond to this with how down are recruiting has been the last 5 years and I would agree. That is not on Buddy though, he is not on staff. He is out there doing the best he can and playing better than I had ever hoped at this point. He is really the last guy to blame for this.

 

[Ghost]

But he’s shooting 38% from 3. His numbers are not down. There’s stats to look this stuff up. Some of the reinventing of the wheel in this thread has got out of control. I try to be balanced and some of the crap people call Buddy out for is getting a bit ridiculous. His efg% is higher than Battles last two years at Syracuse with a similar usage rate. Want to complain about him being a below average athlete I get it, but we’ve never rebounded well and his shooting to this point had been better than just about every 2 guard we have ever had.

I think people are calling him out for the Coach playing him too much. Everyone is quite enamored with his shooting. You are putting him in the mix with Battle, etc...which is where most people likely lose you.

I'm not sure all the players you are referencing lacked secondary skills...…...what are Buddy's secondary skills? His smarts?

 

[CuseFaninVT]

People need to stop blaming Buddy for him playing so much and start blaming Carey and Goodine. I get he really hurts are defense but his shooting has been fine and who else are we supposed to play. Someone can respond to this with how down are recruiting has been the last 5 years and I would agree. That is not on Buddy though, he is not on staff. He is out there doing the best he can and playing better than I had ever hoped at this point. He is really the last guy to blame for this.

Effort is all on the player. I'm totally on board with everything else you are saying here, but there are times he doesn't even pretend to try on rebounds/loose balls.

Look, he's in a tough spot because he is our 3 pt specialist and the son of the legendary coach, but in my mind, that should make him work harder than everyone else to show he TRULY deserves the treatment. That's how I'd play it.

 

[shandeezy7]

This would be a very interesting exercise to do for "great" shooters - how many sub-30s do they mix in?

Unfortunately SU doesn't really have any superb shooters to check this against.

It's noon and I'm waiting on an e-mail from a client...off to orangehoops.org!

James Southerland shot 40% from three in the 12/13 season. He had 12 games with sub-30% from 3. Not SU, but Cam Johnson shot 46% from three last year for UNC and had 10 games with sub-30% from 3. Most shooters are streaky and go through ups and downs from game to game.

 

[Cusefan0307]

To that point

Vs. - 3pt percentage

UVA - 12.5
Colg - 60
Sea - 28.6
Cor - 31
Buck - 75
OkSt - 14.3
PSU - 37.5
Iowa - 20
GT - 46.2
Gtown - 53.8
Oak - 27.3

Seems like he either has it or doesn't. Gtown was a case of both in two halves.

Southerland attempted over 6 3's a game in 2013. He played 34 games and shot 40% from 3. In 12 games he was less than 30%, including 6 games he made nothing. It happens a lot more than you think.

If cbbreference had Rautins game logs I would do his, but they don't so that is the best I can do.