Class of 2023 C Owen Freeman (IL) Portal to Auburn

[hoopsupstate]

Maybe they are just offering more. We might not even have his major

 

[granthath9]

Back to the days of our staff not closing out recruits when they are on campus!

Give me a break

 

[OttoinGrotto]

We were never going to get a top 5-10 big guy.

This is not the right mentality.

 

[Nicknack]

From what it seems, we lost this guy because Auburn offered more. It wasn't because Syracuse isn't the brand it once was. While having a proven coach I'm sure matters, cash speaks more loudly for most portal guys. While I'm disappointed we didn't land him, maybe we dodged a bullet and will end up with a better option. Who knows but I'm hoping. I'm happy to leave this thread though.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I’m ok with this one. We will be fine. Good player but lots of question marks too. And you could get 2 players for that amount

So let's get the 2 guys, I guess.

 

[Cuse House]

This is not the right mentality.

It is just the current reality. It is going to take us turning the ship around for top guys to want to come here. It isn't a permanent mentality, but we have to fix the program first. If Gerry can win this year, it makes it more probable to land top guys next cycle.

 

[SaveSUHoops]

It is just the current reality. It is going to take us turning the ship around for top guys to want to come here. It isn't a permanent mentality, but we have to fix the program first. If Gerry can win this year, it makes it more probable to land top guys next cycle.

The current reality is that these guys are free agents every year who will play for the highest bidder. We've come up short on Wilkins and now Freeman. And next year these players will be more expensive, provided the NCAA still won't have any control over this nonsense. So it will be harder to get players next year regardless of how well we do this year.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

It is just the current reality. It is going to take us turning the ship around for top guys to want to come here. It isn't a permanent mentality, but we have to fix the program first. If Gerry can win this year, it makes it more probable to land top guys next cycle.

We're not going to turn the ship around without better guys.

 

[AlaskaSU]

sold us? What big time coach would want to come here? This isnt Syracuse from 20 years ago. College athletics have changed dramatically and the brand isnt the same and people just need to accept that.

The move to the ACC killed this university whether anyone wants to admit it or not. We havent been the same since and quite frankly will never be what we were.

From the moment we decided to change conferences, not that we had a choice, it was obvious that we would not be able to competitively recruit in the ACC.

Pointing to Fran Brown is not proof that a good recruiter makes all the difference. In fact, it proves the opposite. We gave up 77 points to a team that did not even make the playoffs.

Our recruiting advantages have disappeared. How many people here have run a business? A salesman is selling a product. Slick talk does not overcome an inferior product. We no longer have National interest rivalries. Our inner city playground rough and tough showboating persona is gone. In the world of NIL Syracuse is not a wealthy community. In Tucson, for example, in some subdivision, houses begin at 2 to 3 million dollars minimum.

Everyone is hoping to get back to the tournament. We used to hope to win the tournament. We cannot be what we used to be.

 

[orangezen]

I’d rather have Wilson anyway

 

[RedtheGOB]

From the moment we decided to change conferences, not that we had a choice, it was obvious that we would not be able to competitively recruit in the ACC.

Pointing to Fran Brown is not proof that a good recruiter makes all the difference. In fact, it proves the opposite. We gave up 77 points to a team that did not even make the playoffs.

Our recruiting advantages have disappeared. How many people here have run a business? A salesman is selling a product. Slick talk does not overcome an inferior product. We no longer have National interest rivalries. Our inner city playground rough and tough showboating persona is gone. In the world of NIL Syracuse is not a wealthy community. In Tucson, for example, in some subdivision, houses begin at 2 to 3 million dollars minimum.

Everyone is hoping to get back to the tournament. We used to hope to win the tournament. We cannot be what we used to be.

Much of whiners and quitters here today. Why don’t you call up gmac or AO and cry to them?

Gmac and Melo committed to Cuse after watching us bomb the year before. No one ever gave them an ounce of respect until they won it all. Maybe in the portal era that’s not possible anymore but at least we know gmac won’t just play the victim like so many people here do.

 

[Cuse House]

We're not going to turn the ship around without better guys.

We can still get better guys, were just not going to get the top 5-10 guys at their positions. The sum of the parts can still equal a good team.

 

[RF2044]

The current reality is that these guys are free agents every year who will play for the highest bidder. We've come up short on Wilkins and now Freeman. And next year these players will be more expensive, provided the NCAA still won't have any control over this nonsense. So it will be harder to get players next year regardless of how well we do this year.

I mean...

Maybe? But players also want to go somewhere where they can have success, and get PT. Right now, GMac is new. If we are successful this year, then we will be an easier sell. Money is an miportant factor, but it isn't the ONLY factor.

Success betgats success, because it makes it easier to sell guys.

Now, I can certainly get behind the notion that we aren't going to get top 5-ish caliber position guys via the portal. My reaction is... meh. We've only landed a handful of those guys over the years anyway, even when we were a top flight program.

We've always been a program that thrive getting system fits. Nothing has changed in that regard. I'd rather have a team of 8-9 guys who can all play, then blow the budget on one player and fill in the gaps with scrubs.

 

[Cuse House]

I mean...

Maybe? But players also want to go somewhere where they can have success, and get PT. Right now, GMac is new. If we are successful this year, then we will be an easier sell. Money is an miportant factor, but it isn't the ONLY factor.

Success betgats success, because it makes it easier to sell guys.

Now, I can certainly get behind the notion that we aren't going to get top 5-ish caliber position guys via the portal. My reaction is... meh. We've only landed a handful of those guys over the years anyway, even when we were a top flight program.

We've always been a program that thrive getting system fits. Nothing has changed in that regard. I'd rather have a team of 8-9 guys who can all play, then blow the budget on one player and fill in the gaps with scrubs.

Well said, exactly what I was trying to say.

 

[granthath9]

You guys are so dramatic for no reason. They miss on one portal guy that is a huge question mark and all of a sudden we missed on a top 5-10 player? Give it a rest.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Can we take the conference BS somewhere else. I’m sick of reading the excuses for Boeheim being old and lazy.

 

[DoctahLexus]

You guys are so dramatic for no reason. They miss on one portal guy that is a huge question mark and all of a sudden we missed on a top 5-10 player? Give it a rest.

The concern is now we might be stuck with someone even worse. I did not like him at all, but it is possible we like the guy we end up with even less.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Can we take the conference BS somewhere else. I’m sick of reading the excuses for Boeheim being old and lazy.

But we gave up 70 poins to Notre Dame.

Never mind the fact that we only gave up 38 points to Miami, a team that played in the National Title game.

Odd hill for Alaska to keep dying on.

 

[Orangezoo]

The concern is now we might be stuck with someone even worse. I did not like him at all, but it is possible we like the guy we end up with even less.

We might not ever have another winning season, we might lose half the team to injury, we might have another pandemic and lose the post season.. it’s far easier to pile onto the overwhelming feeling of frustration and apathy than to let some hope and trust sneak in. I’m not sure we could do a better job of sowing doubt on this hire and how the roster will perform once complete than we have as a fanbase so far. So kudos to everyone for appropriately carrying the appropriate level of skepticism to be in full force come this winter.

 

[OmahaCuse]

Dodged a bullet guys. 12th man on a bad team for a reason. Below the rim, slow, dealing with some anxiety when he comes into games ala JJ, chuck Knoblauch, so bad he would fumble the ball, throw it away, etc to the point he was unplayable along with his inability to guard anyone. Way to slow for the 4, wish him the best at Auburn.

 

[sufan59]

Dodged a bullet guys. 12th man on a bad team for a reason. Below the rim, slow, dealing with some anxiety when he comes into games ala JJ, chuck Knoblauch, so bad he would fumble the ball, throw it away, etc to the point he was unplayable along with his inability to guard anyone. Way to slow for the 4, wish him the best at Auburn.

 

[Orangezoo]

Dodged a bullet guys. 12th man on a bad team for a reason. Below the rim, slow, dealing with some anxiety when he comes into games ala JJ, chuck Knoblauch, so bad he would fumble the ball, throw it away, etc to the point he was unplayable along with his inability to guard anyone. Way to slow for the 4, wish him the best at Auburn.

So basically he isn’t comfortable in the role of being highly relied upon thus logjammed into a frontcourt at Auburn with a nice paycheck is more comfortable I take it.

The anxiety of the moment would have been the thing you could have shared first that would have made a lot of sense

 

[OttoinGrotto]

We can still get better guys, were just not going to get the top 5-10 guys at their positions. The sum of the parts can still equal a good team.

We don't have better guys right now.

 

[SaveSUHoops]

You guys are so dramatic for no reason. They miss on one portal guy that is a huge question mark and all of a sudden we missed on a top 5-10 player? Give it a rest.

We've now missed on Freeman, Wilkins, we're apparently out on Jalen Cox, and a bunch of the other "bigger" names we've been linked to. It's not one guy. If the program wants us to believe they have money, they need to show us they have it.

 

[Scotch]

Dodged a bullet guys. 12th man on a bad team for a reason. Below the rim, slow, dealing with some anxiety when he comes into games ala JJ, chuck Knoblauch, so bad he would fumble the ball, throw it away, etc to the point he was unplayable along with his inability to guard anyone. Way to slow for the 4, wish him the best at Auburn.

K now I like you again.