CFP Rankings for Nov 2

[OrangePA]

Cincinnatti not in the Top 4 renders the poll joke worthy.

 

[David321]

Packer is ripping into ESPN for disrespecting Wake and putting down our conference. He makes good points in that we have three ranked teams in our conference and tons of parity. Wake has a ranked opponent to play still. If Wake wins out they had a strong run. ESPN also called our future conference game a dud and said Wake has no one in front of them (even though they have 19 NC State still) and at Clemson.

ESPN rags on the ACC but says nothing about the PAC 12 being weak or the strength of a PAC 12 championship game.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I would put it currently at:

UGA
Cincy
Michigan State
Oklahoma
Bama
Ohio State
Michigan
Oregon
Wake
Okie State
Notre Dame
Baylor

 

[Rocco]

I would put it currently at:

UGA
Cincy
Michigan State
Oklahoma
Bama
Ohio State
Michigan
Oregon
Wake
Okie State
Notre Dame
Baylor

Not sure how Cincy could be in the Top4, let alone Top 6. I truly believe they would have 2+ losses if they were in a big conference.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Not sure how Cincy could be in the Top4, let alone Top 6. I truly believe they would have 2+ losses if they were in a big conference.

They have looked good this year and are undefeated. I do not expect them to be there at the end of the season. But thus far they deserve Top 4 for sure.

 

[Newhouser]

I might be in the minority but I’m not sure Cincy should even be 6. Why are they ahead of WF? Both undefeated and WF has the slightly stronger SOS. Cincy is 100th. Why should they even be 6th? They’ve played and beaten nobody and has really struggled the last 2.

winning at ND tops anything Wake has done or will do.

 

[Newhouser]

If Clemson had played Wake's schedule and run the table where would they be in this ranking? Brand is one of the most important factors in these polls.

 

[David321]

If Clemson had played Wake's schedule and run the table where would they be in this ranking? Brand is one of the most important factors in these polls.

Wish I could give this like 10 likes. You hit the nail on the head.

 

[djorange1989]

Do I think Cincy is inevitably one of the top 4 teams in the country? No, but the weekly rankings should reflect what a team has done to date, and Cincy has done enough to be Top 4, IMO. When the dust settles on 12/4 after all of the conference championship games, I am guessing Cincy's overall resume, even at 13-0, won't be enough. Until the playoff is expanded, the G5 is going to be left out. Even if Cincy scheduled Alabama, Georgia and Ohio State and beat them all, they would still get hammered for their conference schedule and be left out(maybe a slight exaggeration but you get the point).

 

[rrlbees]

SOS for top 10. Enough said.

Georgia 27
Alabama 13
Michigan St 50
Oregon 22
Ohio St. 74
Cincy 100
Michigan 44
Oklahoma 69
Wake Forest 98
ND 39

 

[SWC75]

I want UC to make the playoff, so this isn't me being a hater. And I understand that most of these games are scheduled years in advance.

I think the Bearcats cost themselves dearly by scheduling Murray State.
The Miami (OH) game is their huge rivalry game (Victory Bell), so I get that.

But along with the @ND and @Indiana games, their final OOC game ideally would've be against a third P5 (it also does not help them that IU woke up this year and remembered they are ... Indiana Football).

Lastly, UC has buzzard's luck not playing Houston this year in the regular season, but they need the Cougars to get to the American Champ Game at 10-1 and then beat UH convincingly, but not a blowout. It's all delicate and likely won't work out for the Bearcats.

Talk about a screwed-up system: You have to beat a team decisively enough to prove how strong you but not so badly that you make your opponent look weak in order to get in when the two polls both have you ranked #2 in the country.

 

[TheCusian]

Talk about a screwed-up system: You have to beat a team decisively enough to prove how strong you but not so badly that you make your opponent look weak in order to get in when the two polls both have you ranked #2 in the country.

And remember, Cinci is on the vaunted 2nd year after already “proving” themselves last year. “No name” teams have to sustain greatness longer than big names too.

System sucks and is why it should be expanded.

 

[GoCuse14]

I have no issue. Cincy would get boat raced by Bama.

 

[SU94]

I have no issue. Cincy would get boat raced by Bama.

I feel ya, except I ask you this: would not Bama have an automatic annual spot in the Playoff if this were the criteria. Tide would be favored over every team in the nation on a neutral field (it's been this way for about 7-8 straight years). The games, context and result have to mean something, do they not?

For me, if Bama loses 24-23 to UGa in the SECCG in 6 weeks, they should be out (assuming there are 4 team with zero or one loss).

 

[Chip]

I have no issue. Cincy would get boat raced by Bama.

Many teams get boat raced by Bama. They won the championship game last year by 4 TDs.

Alabama has 2 tests left, if they lose either they're out. @ Auburn and SECCG against Georgia. Georgia is going to moonwalk into the SECCG undefeated.

B1G East still has several big games.

Oklahoma travels to both Baylor and Bedlam. They win out, they're going to be in.

Wake has 3 straight tough games starting this weekend.

Cincy is going to need a lot of help, but there's a path.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Many teams get boat raced by Bama. They won the championship game last year by 4 TDs.

Alabama has 2 tests left, if they lose either they're out. @ Auburn and SECCG against Georgia. Georgia is going to moonwalk into the SECCG undefeated.

B1G East still has several big games.

Oklahoma travels to both Baylor and Bedlam. They win out, they're going to be in.

Wake has 3 straight tough games starting this weekend.

Cincy is going to need a lot of help, but there's a path.

I don't think Notre Dame is any good this year, but IMO they are the most likely of the Top 10 to not lose a game the rest of the way. They play no one. Everyone else has multiple difficult games. I can see a 2 L team in this year.

 

[UpstateSM]

Power ratings shouldn't be more important than resumes when it comes to committee-decided playoff fields

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Power ratings shouldn't be more important than resumes when it comes to committee-decided playoff fields

I don't get why they went away from the BCS formula. Have a committee pick the four teams and seed them but use the BCS as a guide. Like they do with the RPI. The whole purpose of the BCS was to minimize human bias. What we have now if worse than just using the polls.

Top 10 BCS simulation
1. UGA
2. Cincy
3. Oklahoma
4. Bama
5. Sparty
6. Ohio State
7. Michigan
8. Notre Dame
9. Oregon
10. Wake

They can chose to have 5 jump 4 no problem. Maybe 5 and 4 jump 3. But wouldn't be able to leave Cincy out if they are #2.

Most favored by the #BCS: Iowa (+6 spots) Oklahoma (+5) Cincinnati (+4) Notre Dame (+2) Most favored by the @CFBPlayoff: Mississippi State (+15 spots) Minnesota (+10) NC State (+6) San Diego State, Fresno State, Oregon (+5) BYU (+4)

 

[GoCuse14]

I feel ya, except I ask you this: would not Bama have an automatic annual spot in the Playoff if this were the criteria. Tide would be favored over every team in the nation on a neutral field (it's been this way for about 7-8 straight years). The games, context and result have to mean something, do they not?

For me, if Bama loses 24-23 to UGa in the SECCG in 6 weeks, they should be out (assuming there are 4 team with zero or one loss).

Yes, my caveat is they cannot lose 2 games.

 

[David321]

Honestly I miss the BCS, far as I’m concerned the regular season is the playoff.

 

[sufandu]

Agreed. We always had a playoff, it’s called the regular season.

Not so. In a playoff the games get harder as you go. The old way teams had no consequences for weak scheduling.

 

[David321]

Not so. In a playoff the games get harder as you go. The old way teams had no consequences for weak scheduling.

Yeah but playing in a conference championship is a filter as is SOS. Schools that want to really be in the hunt can schedule accordingly, albeit some years out. I just don’t think that the playoffs have improved anything. And I don’t suspect that an expanded playoff will make much of a difference. I think landing a NY6 bowl and winning it is enough of a prize on its own.

 

[sufandu]

If Clemson had played Wake's schedule and run the table where would they be in this ranking? Brand is one of the most important factors in these polls.

It's not just brand but past performance. They've proven themselves in the past by scheduling tough in the non-conference and playoff. If you're a team that schedules soft in the non-conference, plays in a down conference, and hasn't done much in past post seasons looking good in the refular season means less.

 

[sufandu]

Yeah but playing in a conference championship is a filter as is SOS. Schools that want to really be in the hunt can schedule accordingly, albeit some years out. I just don’t think that the playoffs have improved anything. And I don’t suspect that an expanded playoff will make much of a difference. I think landing a NY6 bowl and winning it is enough of a prize on its own.

That's just it, people are making arguments for teams that haven't scheduled accordingly and the same happened during the BCS era. Conference championship games don't matter if it's a weak conference. The playoff helped because we've had teams win the NC from the 4th spot by beating the teams in front of them. That couldn't happen during the BCS. A playoff that included all conference champions would be ideal. Prove you belong by winning your conference and then beating the other conference winners.

 

[SWC75]

I have no issue. Cincy would get boat raced by Bama.