CFP Rankings for Nov 2

[SWC75]

every week you see teams much better lose to bad teams.. Cincy could play with most teams on a 1 game basis especially given weeks to prep.. But its the grind of weeks of games that shows what a team really is.. They got up for ND and controlled that game but we have seen ND is just an avg team this year. I mean whats the next hardest game ? A bad Indiana team? Whats the next best Navy? Navy would be like better than Ohio/Albany on our schedule not our 2nd or 3rd best. if Cincy played in a league and played like they have they would have 2-3 losses already.

That might depend on the league. I'd favor them over Wake Forest.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

8 works for me. 5 power conference champions, group of 5 rep, 2 at large.
This summer the talk was all 12, makes no sense and I believe came from the SEC, who got greedy (what else is new) and wanted 3/12 shares every year.

Course maybe they knew UT and OU were coming, and B12 would be downgraded as a P5 rep. Still, 8 is enough.
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I think one conference champion needs to be voted out by the committee. Or go head to head with the best G5 for a spot.


THe weakest conference champion is going to be really bad and be a terrible game against #1 Alabama.

3 At Large
4 P5 Champions
Best G5 vs Worst P5 Champion

It can't go to 12 the season will stretch into February and again the extra games likely will stink.

 

[sufandu]

I think one conference champion needs to be voted out by the committee. Or go head to head with the best G5 for a spot.


THe weakest conference champion is going to be really bad and be a terrible game against #1 Alabama.

3 At Large
4 P5 Champions
Best G5 vs Worst P5 Champion

It can't go to 12 the season will stretch into February and again the extra games likely will stink.

If the lower divisions and FCS can figure out a playoff with even more teams, the FBS can figure it out, if they ever want it.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

If the lower divisions and FCS can figure out a playoff with even more teams, the FBS can figure it out, if they ever want it.

Sure. I just don't think 1 vs 8 or 5 vs 12 (in late December) will be good football. Anything more than another round will ruin the regular season. Even 1 more round won't be without its issues. I'm not sure you see more than 1-2 decent games out of the 7 that are played.

 

[sufandu]

Sure. I just don't think 1 vs 8 or 5 vs 12 (in late December) will be good football. Anything more than another round will ruin the regular season. Even 1 more round won't be without its issues. I'm not sure you see more than 1-2 decent games out of the 7 that are played.

I think it would work well as I explained in an earlier post. People probably said the same thing about the first round of the basketball tournament when it expanded to 64 and that's the best weekend in sports. Imagine giving teams everyone assumes aren't very good a chance to prove themselves on the field without excluding teams everyone assumes are the real contenders.

The regular season wouldn't be ruined. The NFL is king and they have a more expansive playoff. The regular season would still determine who got into the conference championship games. As it is now, the regular season is meaningless for all but about 5 teams, if all that matters is the playoff and national champion.

 

[SWC75]

Sure. I just don't think 1 vs 8 or 5 vs 12 (in late December) will be good football. Anything more than another round will ruin the regular season. Even 1 more round won't be without its issues. I'm not sure you see more than 1-2 decent games out of the 7 that are played.

Automatic bids for all the conferences would enhance the regular season. The conference seasons become part of the playoff system.

 

[690West]

That might depend on the league. I'd favor them over Wake Forest.

Correct. They’d be 3 point favorites on a neutral field over Wake. That game IMO would be the ultimate coin flip right now.

 

[690West]

The disturbing part from an ACC perspective is that when Clemson was undefeated all those years and “beating no one” in the ACC, they were in the top 4. Wake has done nothing different than what Clemson has done annually and yet they’re 9th based on brand name.

 

[sufandu]

The disturbing part from an ACC perspective is that when Clemson was undefeated all those years and “beating no one” in the ACC, they were in the top 4. Wake has done NOTHING different than what Clemson has done annually and yet they’re 9th based on brand name.

The difference was that Clemson always scheduled a major P5 opponent in the first or second week of the season, usually from the middle or top of the SEC and they have an annual game with South Carolina who was consistently ranked for quite a while. They also performed well in major bowl games prior to the playoff. If you have a good season, win a good bowl game, and return much of your roster, people will assume you're good until losses prove otherwise. If you're mediocre to bad, people will assume that you're still that until you beat teams of note in the midst of a good season.

 

[690West]

The difference was that Clemson always scheduled a major P5 opponent in the first or second week of the season, usually from the middle or top of the SEC and they have an annual game with South Carolina who was consistently ranked for quite a while. They also performed well in major bowl games prior to the playoff. If you have a good season, win a good bowl game, and return much of your roster, people will assume you're good until losses prove otherwise. If you're mediocre to bad, people will assume that you're still that until you beat teams of note in the midst of a good season.

Good points. However, we have to ask ourselves where would Clemson be right now in the standings with the exact same schedule and record as wake this year. I would bet $250,000 that they aren’t 9th

 

[sufandu]

Good points. However, we have to ask ourselves where would Clemson be right now in the standings with the exact same schedule and record as wake this year. I would bet $250,000 that they aren’t 9th

Sure. But you can't just look at this year. They've built a reputation by beating good teams early in the season and post season previous years so they get some benefit of the doubt until they lose. Since they've looked down and have lost games they normally wouldn't they dropped accordingly. Had WF been blowing out teams this year, I think their argument would be stronger with a relatively weak schedule. It's the double edge sword of scheduling. If you are a perennial weak team that just wants to increase the chances if bowling by scheduling light, you may get overlooked during a remarkable season. Having to schedule so far in advance hurts the timing of it all.

This is why I like my suggestion for the 16 team playoff with all of the conference champions. They, and everyone else, would be able to settle the assumptions on the field.

 

[690West]

Sure. But you can't just look at this year.

I know the committee is human and its difficult to do, but they are 100% SUPPOSED to just look at this year.

 

[upperdeck]

That might depend on the league. I'd favor them over Wake Forest.

I am ok with wake being around 10 based on the record. Maybe they can score enough to beat a team. But their D would really struggle to stop most of the top 15 as it showed the last couple weeks.

 

[sufandu]

I know the committee is human and its difficult to do, but they are 100% SUPPOSED to just look at this year.

I get that in theory, but that's impossible given the differences in schedules. Not all undefeated records are created equal. Reputation will have to play a role.

 

[SWC75]

Sure. But you can't just look at this year. They've built a reputation by beating good teams early in the season and post season previous years so they get some benefit of the doubt until they lose. Since they've looked down and have lost games they normally wouldn't they dropped accordingly. Had WF been blowing out teams this year, I think their argument would be stronger with a relatively weak schedule. It's the double edge sword of scheduling. If you are a perennial weak team that just wants to increase the chances if bowling by scheduling light, you may get overlooked during a remarkable season. Having to schedule so far in advance hurts the timing of it all.

This is why I like my suggestion for the 16 team playoff with all of the conference champions. They, and everyone else, would be able to settle the assumptions on the field.

That lets last year's Peach Bowl in on the discussion.

 

[Trueblue25]

Lol Cincy beats Notre Dame at ND by double digits and cant get in?

If Notre Dame won that game in OT by 1 point they’d be #2 in this ranking right now

 

[sufandu]

That lets last year's Peach Bowl in on the discussion.

It does. It can't be the lone factor, but it shouldn't be ignored. If you look at the whole discussion of Clemson vs Wake, my argument for Clemson getting the benefit of the doubt was both bowl performance and a history of tough non-conference scheduling.

 

[kirbivore]

I feel ya, except I ask you this: would not Bama have an automatic annual spot in the Playoff if this were the criteria. Tide would be favored over every team in the nation on a neutral field (it's been this way for about 7-8 straight years). The games, context and result have to mean something, do they not?

For me, if Bama loses 24-23 to UGa in the SECCG in 6 weeks, they should be out (assuming there are 4 team with zero or one loss).

I'm rooting hard for Auburn in the Iron Bowl to give Alabama it's 2nd loss and no SEC title game chance vs UGA

 

[kirbivore]

8 works for me. 5 power conference champions, group of 5 rep, 2 at large.
This summer the talk was all 12, makes no sense and I believe came from the SEC, who got greedy (what else is new) and wanted 3/12 shares every year.

Course maybe they knew UT and OU were coming, and B12 would be downgraded as a P5 rep. Still, 8 is enough.
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[Eric15]

If Notre Dame won that game in OT by 1 point they’d be #2 in this ranking right now

I hate ND as much as the next person but you have to keep in mind that ND's SOS is 9 and Cincy's is 94. ND's body of work from week to week is much more challenging.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I was shocked the Alabama schedule was ranked that high. The cake is baked in for the SEC and you can't tell me politics aren't involved no matter what. I mean they lost to the best team they played.

Mercer...Southern Miss...meh...Saban and the rest of that conference ain't playing a good g5 school.

Cincinnati did try and schedule hard ooc. Not their fault Indiana has tanked.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I hate ND as much as the next person but you have to keep in mind that ND's SOS is 9 and Cincy's is 94. ND's body of work from week to week is much more challenging.

Really, their SOS is 9th? SOS never makes sense to me when you look at the WHO. They don't play FCS teams so they should get credit for that. But IMO our 11 FBS games are just as good as their Top 11 FBS games. Are there really only 8 teams that have a harder schedule? I would think the entire SEC West and B1G East should be ahead of ND.

 

[Trueblue25]

I hate ND as much as the next person but you have to keep in mind that ND's SOS is 9 and Cincy's is 94. ND's body of work from week to week is much more challenging.

Notre Dames 7-1 with the 9th hardest SOS


Why is the SEC NCAA saying then that Cincy beat an “average” Notre Dame team for their best win?

 

[SWC75]

Really, their SOS is 9th? SOS never makes sense to me when you look at the WHO. They don't play FCS teams so they should get credit for that. But IMO our 11 FBS games are just as good as their Top 11 FBS games. Are there really only 8 teams that have a harder schedule? I would think the entire SEC West and B1G East should be ahead of ND.

How about conference strength of schedule vs. non conference opponents. That would be interesting.

 

[storange]

I don't think Notre Dame is any good this year, but IMO they are the most likely of the Top 10 to not lose a game the rest of the way. They play no one. Everyone else has multiple difficult games. I can see a 2 L team in this year.

Agree, ND has pulled a Houdini. FSU, Va. Tech , Toledo all games down to the wire. they are good but marginal top 10 at best.